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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 04:45 PM Original message |
If you are all to willing to stand with "us" against GOP/Teabagger bigotry but not against . . . |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Unrec |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Care to explain why its a strawman or do you just want to leave a drive by comment... |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Its a strawman because |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Who is dividing the party along racial lines those who practice bigotry. . . |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. No, it is the people pushing this phony 'issue' |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. How is bigotry a phony issue? |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Phony accusations of bigotry are bigotry. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What makes it phony? You keep telling me its phony. I, and many others, don't think it is. . . |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Got evidence? Concrete evidence? |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 05:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
104. Not sure you know what a strawman is. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
107. Hello these are people already saying he's lost them for |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. I predict that |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I am sure there are (nobody is perfect), but would you point us to a specific example |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Who said anything was 'shocking'? |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Thanks. This makes it clearer to me. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Thanks for the response. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
108. Your third paragraph |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. And they assume that even the mention that any progressive could be prejudiced means |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Here is the best part Effie. . . |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. heh |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
53. Why did you do that on purpose? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. To see if people would automatically assume I was talking about race. . . |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Perhaps it's because of your other post in this forum |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Therein lies a problem with stereotyping |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. You know what happens when u ass u me, right? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Well it wasn't me. I didn't mention the word "race" once in this thread until now |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Joe McCarthy? Is that you? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
65. LOL |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
6. Progressive bigotry? |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Its a strawman |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
109. Read the article that started all of this |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #109 |
113. You've hit on the problem |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. There were a lot of charges here about DUers, and the President, being Homophobic. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I don't think anybody should be bigoted in any way |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. my point was that selecting certain groups and labels as being thoroughly 'good' |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. "You seem to think Progressives don't have the human failings the rest of us do" |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. your post number 6. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Those 3 words made you think that I feel progressives don't have human failings? |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. no, that the thought of progressives capable of being bigots is out of the realm of thought to you. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Not only that the poster assumes that if you believe a particular progessive is being bigoted |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Ya...I'm just not as sophisticated as you |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Those 3 words made you think that I feel progressives aren't capable of being bigots? |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. not you personally, just a generalization that I get here sometime. |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
86. Strawman |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Zero examples forthcoming |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. See Post #17 |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
117. equivalency -- TeaBagger bigotry is the same as white liberal criticism |
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r0nr0ntaiwan (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
119. I'll bite. |
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r0nr0ntaiwan (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. More bites. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. Who is "us"? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I used "us" and "bigotry" for a reason. . . |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So who is unwilling to stand against progressive "bigotry"? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. In my example I see many folks failing to acknowledge Harris-Perry's point about. . . |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Oh no, there have been a lot of posters who have stated why MHPs |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
118. silly facts |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. My "us" and your "us" might not be the same "us" |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. What if our definitions are the same? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Oh brother. . . |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. What if our perceptions are the same in terms of what bigotry is? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Half of "us" is you |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
35. If I see a "progressive" displaying bigotry, I'll stand against him/her. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
43. Just fucking stop it. |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. +1,000. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Are you trying to censor wndycty? There are Hide Thread/Ignore functions. Use them. |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. OPs like this one harm Obamas reelection chances |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. How does what someone says on an internet discussion board harm the President's reelection chances? |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Because it divides Obamas electorate along racial lines. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Internet conversations "divide Obama's electorate along racial lines?" |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yes |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. And a Democrat who goes online and then decides to vote against President Obama because they |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You can spin it all you want |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Deleted message |
Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #57 |
97. Internet conversations don't divide. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Oh boo hoo, not this again! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
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These Eyes (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
83. Your warning that any discussion of race/racism/bigotry only serves to hurt Obama.. |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Its not the discussion |
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These Eyes (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. What blanket attacks? |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Have you not read the article? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 06:45 AM Response to Reply #90 |
105. What I read |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
68. I ain't stopping shit. . .ignore/hide is your friend. . . |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
112. When someone resorts to this, it's a sign they know |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
48. alerted for broadbrush accusation of racism n/t |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Alerted for an unwarranted accusation of making a broadbrush accusation of racism. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. i'm so sorry for thwarting this thoughtful adult discussion |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. We are the world . . . we are the children |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. "...jump in and try to disrupt the conversation...when race comes up." |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I didn't need this to know how my friends in the LGBT community feel |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Some of your best friends are gay. /nt |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Actually, some of my best friends ARE gay |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. WHERE did you read that in the OP? |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
51. As I was telling Prism the other day: It matters much more when I as a black woman |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Gays were among the Freedom Riders. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Yes, I know all of that. It wasn't a point that I was making to single out the LGBT |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I didn't say you singled us out. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Jesus! I simply was using an example. That's all. Nothing else. |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. ...and that's what I'm trying to say to you! |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
62. Would Democratic leaders' opposition to gay marriage be classed as progressive bigotry? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. That is why I said "us" and used bigotry instead of racism |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Your prism is a vision where if white liberals (and by extension all liberals, including blacks) |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Oh so now you are telling me what my prism is? That is mighty white of you. . . |
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These Eyes (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Oh, for crying out loud... |
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Mr Deltoid (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. The longer it goes |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. So rather than have a constructive conversation on bigotry (all of it, not just racism). . . |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. That seems to be the m.o. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Exactly |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #84 |
94. The song is true. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
102. I never said anyone said all and yes, I think it is political tactic. |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #80 |
96. Some people are still shell-shocked from 2008. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
111. No, it is not just criticism |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
110. If the President is opposed to gay marriage I would say |
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These Eyes (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
82. K&R |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
92. Apparently |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Certain forms of bigotry are not more equal or righteous than the others |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
100. Admitting to its existence on the left is the first step. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
103. You didn't explain or give examples of what you're talking about. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #103 |
114. I don't need to, I want you to look at it through your own prism. . . |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
106. Rec |
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