Small Donors Are Slow to Return to the Obama Fold

[alp227]

Source: The New York Times

They were once among President Obama’s most loyal supporters and a potent symbol of his political brand: voters of moderate means who dug deep for the candidate and his message of hope and change, sending him $10 or $25 or $50 every few weeks or months.

But in recent months, the frustration and disillusionment that have dragged down Mr. Obama’s approval ratings have crept into the ranks of his vaunted small-donor army, underscoring the challenges he faces as he seeks to rekindle grass-roots enthusiasm for his re-election bid.

In interviews with dozens of low-dollar contributors in the past two weeks, some said they were unhappy with what they viewed as Mr. Obama’s overly conciliatory approach to Congressional Republicans. Others cited what they saw as a lack of passion in the president, or said the sour economy had drained both their enthusiasm and their pocketbooks.

For still others, high hopes that Mr. Obama would deliver a new kind of politics in his first term have been dashed by the emergence of something that, to them, more resembles politics as usual.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/us/politics/small-donors-slow-to-return-to-obama-fold.html?pagewanted=all

[FrenchieCat]

1. Yippee!

:applause: (that's the Koch Brothers clapping!)

[Hardrada]

5. You had better come up from steerage and start looking for a lifeboat!

[FrenchieCat]

6. Will that make you happy?

[Hardrada]

9. It is always gratifying to further enlightenment.

[FrenchieCat]

21. Well, I'm always glad I can help....

https://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/we-all-have-a-choice-in-the-2012-election/

[classof56]

90. Thanks for the link.

Just signed on for their e-mail updates.

Tired Old Cynic

[SharksBreath]

113. I always thought that they should change the name of that site.

From extreme liberal to Corporate Democrat. Since that's what Obama basically is.

The guy who runs that site is a moderate and he's not your Daddy's moderate.

Today's moderate is a blue dog. Since the Republican party is to the right of war time Germany some times.
An extreme liberal in my opinion in these days and times would be Bernie Sanders.

They are far from that on that site and will support Obama no matter what he does.

The guy proves no matter which side of the aisle your on we both have people that will worship the man and support them even if they violate their core party values.

I could go on and on about all the things Obama has done that I would never in a million years think a Democratic president would do.

Yet Bush did the same things. I would never think a Republican president would spend 3 trillion to destroy and rebuild a Muslim country when they hate Muslims.

Yet I never thought I would see a Dem. President sign the Bush tax cuts.

Just goes to show some will worship the man over their own values.

[think]

144. Trying to picture Bernie Sanders as an extreme liberal. Thanks for the visual :) nt

[Sheepshank]

177. Bunches of regurgitated clap trap without a shred of back up.

"... could go on and on about all the things Obama has done that I would never in a million years think a Democratic president would do."

you could go on and on? Well dear, where is there ANY verifiable substance in the any of the regurgitated dribble you've delivered so far? We all have opinions, you've given yours and it's gone no where. Where is there anything that makes you opinion more worthy than lets say mine, where I completely disagree with your assessment of Obama?

[backtomn]

70. It may be a bit early to panic.....

We don't even know who the challenger will be. It is clear that it won't be Reagan or Lincoln. However, Obama will need to give people a reason.

[KoKo]

202. Truly...... I just read that Obama had tons of money from "small donors" elsewhere...

It's amazing.......! But, Yeah... "Man the Lifeboats" ..."ICEBERG AHEAD!"

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Why do you think this is happening, Frenchie?

Why do you think it's getting harder for Obama to attract the small donors?

[FrenchieCat]

16. Because

for the past 2.8 years....give or take a month, there's been nothing but
negativity in reference to this President, and the positives are simply ignored.

How many times have I heard...."Well I'm not donating" here at DU?

Just read the exchange you and I had just a few months ago, starting at comment #41
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=677983&mesg_id=678119

[bitchkitty]

45. Obama put Social Security and Medicare on the table.

Spin that.

[cstanleytech]

84. Nah, your clearly

doing a good enough job on your own there.

[bitchkitty]

128. I'm not spinning, just stating a fact.

Obama put Social Security and Medicare on the table. I would like to hear your defense of that.

[cstanleytech]

154. Oh lets admit it now, you really dont care about my opinion

as you already decided he is 'guilty'.

[bitchkitty]

162. ???

I'm not the only one who knows that Obama put Social Security and Medicare on the table. Do you watch the news?

I just want to hear how you justify that.

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[roguevalley]

143. since he didn't do the SMART thing and take care of jobs when

he started and went after the LEGACY thing with health care, he shouldn't be surprised that the poor and struggling who are in the same and even worse position they were THREE YEARS AGO don't have a nickel to spare. He's got millions coming to him from the people who have benefited the best during this three year failure so he might not need us. I don't expect poor and struggling people to give ANYONE a penny let alone a fucking politician. any fucking politician.

[No Elephants]

87. Funny, that.

http://hq.nolabels.org/page/s/The_Table

[bitchkitty]

129. As I said,

Obama put Social Security and Medicare on the table. That is not labeling him. It is stating a fact. Your link, while certainly noble, does not address that, and is not an answer to my post.

[bitchkitty]

188. On the other hand,

I could be a sleep-deprived wreck who was referring to another link entirely, not yours. Sorry, No Elephants, my bad! :(

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[CakeGrrl]

167. No, he didn't. Now, the GOP, on the other hand, will OBLITERATE them.

So, who's still not sure if they have a reason to go to the polls in 2012?

Sit it out and take what comes to you.

[rhett o rick]

179. He recently said that he would touch SS or Medicare unless, there are increases in revinue.

THat means they are on the table. If he had said he would never cut SS or Medicare, then they would be off the table. But he said UNLESS. He is using Medicare and SS cuts to negotiate for tax increases.

[skyounkin]

85. He sold out on the public option

He gave wall street a pass
He continued the Obama tax cuts for the rich
He time and time and time again bent over backwards to please the rethugs and gave them what they wanted and got nothing in return WHILE he did a whole of criticizing and hippie punching for those who did do loads for him.
He continues MANY of the bush policies that we all here distained and thought are horrific
He refuses to follow through on threats...

etc, etc,etc....

So, he has well deserved negativity he ahs gotten.

So- really spin that shit.

[wordpix]

142. he's asking Congress for $36 billion to bail out the nuke industry in taxpayer guaranteed loans

AFTER Fukushima.

This is to build new nukes b/c the poor widdle nuke industry including some very big corps don't have the money. But we the taxpayers DO? :grr: Obama had better change THIS position or I'll continue withholding my donations.

[Cherchez la Femme]

205. Word is...

...you're/we're just being racist.

Top that for spin & excuse-itis :crazy:

[quakerboy]

98. Feel free to ignore me while I indulge in a "gotcha" question.

It seems to me that many of the unqualified(in the sense of not qualifying their support on any specific requirements) supporters of President Obama here on DU like to tout the % of democrats in support of the President, generally somewhere in the 80% range.

If that number is accurate, why is it not reflected in the small donors as well?

I am genuinely curious about your response. As a person who was an early supporter and who donated time and money to President Obama's last campaign, but who is quite disillusioned, even verging on angry, this time, I would love to have a real conversation that gets to the heart of things. Though I fear that may be impossible.

[Supersedeas]

217. there's a lot of that around here these days

[TheEuclideanOne]

99. I call bullshit, or at least need to offer my own variation.

Actually, I do agree with it for the most part. I would like to add that the reason that there has been nothing but negativity is that he has not done what he campaigned on. Senator Obama would be king today if he followed through on what he told us all that he would do. This strategy to vote 100% no would have never taken hold. It is way past the point of thinking that he is trying, but failed. Or even that he is trying. He did an interview in Rolling stone showing that he knew from even before he took office that the Republicans would block 100% as a political strategy. He can not plead ignorance. So, if we he gives them what they ask for once or twice, it is one thing, but he is batting 1000% in giving them everything they have asked for, only to have them use that as the starting point for their demands. At a certain point, you will lose donors. At a certain point, people just can't take it anymore.

As far as the positives being ignored, that is 80% Obama's fault. Where the fuck is the marketing/messaging arm of his administration? Seriously, WTF?!?!?! You can not say he does not know how to do it because that is how he became president. He was the master of getting the word out during the campaign. In short, it is not the he is being ignored, it is that he is keeping his accomplishments quiet.

To sum it up, many of these decisions are made because the other side is so horrible that he thinks our support is a slam dunk. There is a major flaw in that line of thinking and he is starting to see it with the donors. He may think that he is a genius by ignoring us and just assuming that we will vote for him, but what he doesn't realize is that many people may simply not vote. Clearly he is seeing that many people may not donate. Why?, there are no more sacred cows that we risk losing. He gave them all away. Literally! Am I wrong? Can you think of one single issue for the democratic party that he has not already caved on in a major way?

[eridani]

151. I don't agree that a list of accomplishments is the way to go.

Average voters could care less about policy wonkery. They care about values, and about what's happening in their lives. If the latter sucks, they need to know that the president is on their side. Obama campaigned on values in 2008, and now the only actual values that people associated with Obama in a thread last week were consensus and compromise.

[obxhead]

100. Well, when the positives don't outweigh the negatives it's hard

to cheer for them.

Getting the puppy for the girls hardly balances out the Health Insurance Stimulus package he signed.

[ellisonz]

160. The bad economy doesn't help either.

I predict small donations will skyrocket once the GOP picks a puppet.

[Smilo]

111. It is not so much he can't attract (which I agree he

... is having trouble with), but that people can not keep giving - daily I am asked to give from many politicians, political sites and then charities.

There is only so much available and food, rent/mortgage comes first. $10 may not sound like much to many people, but to many $10 can do a lot within our families and they come first.

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[FrenchieCat]

38. Really now???

It is not me who tries and fool myself into believing that it is all the same,
when it is not.

It is not the same for the unemployed that got their extension,
it is not the same for the students who got their pell grants increased
and are no longer dealing with 3rd party lenders,
it is not the same for the kids who are on their parent's insurance,
it is not the same for the folks who were able to modify their loans and save their homes,
it is not the same for the sick folks who were able to get health care for a pre-existing condition,

....I was about to go on and on....but then realized that you ain't worth it.....

because since you fancy yourself as an intellectual I would presume (since most liberals do),
you actually know these things....but the truth must be that you don't give a shit.
If it ain't all, then you reject whatever changes has been made.

You're one of those in the desert who would rather die than drink the water because the glass ain't
all full. You are no better than the other extreme. in fact, that is who is the same.....those who see all in black and white, without nuance and without realism, and who would exaggerate, and utilize hyperbole to sell misery and despair for the entire time of this man's presidency...and then to have the fucking nerve to blame exactly that one man for it all.

No, it is you who should be ashamed.
You'll be in the desert for 40 more years.....
if you don't die of thirst first.

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[emilyg]

80. +a zillion

[Owl]

62. I agree that those are very important positives you highlighted.

And they've been a godsend for many of us.

[coalition_unwilling]

73. Unemployment rate in January 2009: 7.2%. Unemployment rate

in August 2011: 9.1%.

And Obama's main priority since January 2010 and up until September speech was the deficit and debt? Give me a friggin break.

[Amonester]

75. The Rich Repuke$ just sit on their $2 Trillion cash flow and throw

everybody they can on UI, because:

1- They want Obama to fail.
2- They don't care about you, America, and the rest of the world.
3- They see that their plan$ work perfectly so far.
4- They count on the 'disappointed' to 'win' back the W.H., and they'll thank them (in pRivate paRtie$) for it.

[Vattel]

169. ok that drew blood

[Hawkowl]

184. And that is why he is FUCKED

He fell right into the Republican trap of focussing on the deficit and not jobs! He was listening to his Wall Street fat cat cronies and now the economy is fucked well into 2013 and he is going to be tarred with that brush into a a brutal electoral defeat.

He didn't set the right priorities. He pissed on the people who put him in power. He kow-towed to the Wall Street fat cats and now he is going to pay the piper. Actually, the rest of us will pay and he will waltz off into multi-millionaire status a la Bill Clinton.

[Bette Noir]

156. Actually, It is the same.

Still unemployed. Still paying 100% of the unemployment check for insurance, and living on savings. Those savings, which should have lasted for several years, are down 30% in one year, because of the plummeting stock market.

I don't know one single person who has been able to modify their home loan, although I know many who applied.

My husband's COBRA still runs out in three months, and we're still uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions. I'm sure you fancy yourself an intellectual (it cuts both ways, you know), so you actually know that the most important parts of the health care reform act don't take effect until 2014. Even then, there are no price controls. We're simply at the mercy of the big insurance companies.

[RaleighNCDUer]

157. It's nice the unemployed got UI extensions -

but what they NEED is JOBS.

Pell grant increases are nice, but MILLIONS are still shut out because of rising tuitions - how about addressing that, instead?

Ending 3rd party lenders on federal loans is an unmitigated good. That's a base hit. Not a home run.

Kids on their parents' insurance tilts heavily in favor of the insurance companies - they continue collecting larger premium payments to guarantee insurance on the single healthiest demographic they serve. Prior to this legislation, most kids (19-26 year olds, that is) did without insurance just fine, until they got FT work and insurance with it. Hell, I never even thought about insurance at that age, and it was certainly not a topic of conversation with any of my peers. I know, the costs were lower in those days, but the fact is that low or high, I had NO costs. Now the insurance companies are cashing in on that demographic.

I did not see any appreciable slow-down in the rate of foreclosures.

Personally, I think the pre-existing conditions clause in the Health Insurance Bailout Plan was the trade-off for the "benefit" of extending family insurance to 26 - the money they made off the second pays for the first.

AND WERE ARE THE JOBS?

[UnrepentantLiberal]

89. “Now I am seeing him as just an opportunistic politician.”

This is why I stopped clapping (for Obama).

[Progressive dog]

114. I have no choice

Yes, President Obama has governed far to the right of what I expected.
Yes, I am very disappointed.

The first time I could vote was the Nixon Humphrey election of 1968. Because I hated Lyndon Johnson over Vietnam and Humphrey would not differ with him, I did not vote.
Nixon convinced me of how wrong I had been.
This nation is closer to fascism than at any time since FDR. Income and wealth inequality are at or above the pre FDR peak. The Teapublican candidates are all worse than the previous "decider."

In spite of my disappointment, I will contribute what I can and work where I can for President Obama's reelection. I have no choice.

[rhett o rick]

125. Funny you mention the Koch Bro that have funded Democrats in the past and were recently

asked by Sen Murray to help fund Democrats in the present. Obama doesnt need us small time donors any more. Is that what you are clapping about. Would you sell your soul to get Obama reelected?

[Dr Fate]

194. The Koch brothers enjoy MASSIVE tax breaks under Obama.

I love it when DEMS warn me about the Kochs and the awful things they will do with their money- 5 minutes after the same DEMS just handed the Kochs a check for a ga-zillion dollars from the US Treasury.

[Dr Fate]

193. The same Koch Brothers that Obama awarded massive tax breaks too?

I'm sure they clapped pretty hard after that one too.

They said to themsleves- "Just think of all the money we can give tot he tea baggers and the GOP with all this cash Obama and the DEMS just gave us! SUCKERS!!!"

If Obama had fought to give us the tax breaks instead, it would be a different story.

[bluestateguy]

2. Poorly written article full of assumptions, contradictions, logical fallacies and anecdotes

American journalists must be some of the stupidest people on Earth.

A close second would probably by public school administrators.

[FrenchieCat]

3. It's all about widening the Enthusiasm gap as wide as it can be....

They figure they've been working on it for 2.8 years,
and yet, alas for them, it still needs more work.

They've got plenty help though...tell you that!

[highprincipleswork]

14. mostly from the man himself, however

[FrenchieCat]

17. No.

From those who have chosen to dwell in negativity...

This is what the man has been doing...without barely any help from
most of us.... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=772937&mesg_id=772937

[Dystopian]

145. I didn't choose to dwell in negativity...

He took me by the hand and led my there.
Tears of joy when he was elected.
Elation.

Now.
No more $ that I didn't have then...yet gave.
Now I need to eat.

Maybe if he stopped killing people...
But that ain't gonna happen.
He's owned.
He lied. People died. Still dying.

Let him have his place in history.
For what it's worth.
Could have been priceless.
It could have been what he said...
What I expected.


Sad little man...our president.
I feel for our country.

Damn loser.



peace~

[highprincipleswork]

168. YES

Did you really think that "Yes we can" referred to "yes, we can compromise" , "yes, we can give away or harm Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid", "Yes we can conduct more wars than the next guy", "Yes, we can allow torture to go unpunished", "Yes, we can give the money to banks they desperately need without exacting anything much in return", "Yes, we can pass healthcare that is so watered down that it is hardly popular with anybody, and definitely a far cry from universal coverage"?

Am I somehow responsible for his watered-down policies, statements, and actions?

No, he simply does not have the courage of his convictions or what he says is not what he does or some other lame explanation.

I am looking for leaders who know that people are hungry for the truth and for policies that work. Trickledown has been proven not to work, and yet he continues to advocate its policies. He even proved it didn't work during his campaign, and people applauded him for it. And then he consistently puts it back into action, including in his recent jobs proposals.

I don't have faith in the man, and he apparently doesn't have faith that good, strong, honest policies work.

I wish that he did.

Reference Elizabeth Warren as somebody who is doing the right thing and seems to consistently do the right thing.

[on point]

57. Actually it is OBAMA that put the knife in enthusiasm by dumping his base

[rhett o rick]

126. Obama changed his base. nm

[highprincipleswork]

173. Good luck with that.

[Historic NY]

64. +1

[highprincipleswork]

186. how people feel

Enthusiasm gap. It's there. It's real. And those who wish it wasn't there call on those who aren't enthused to feel enthused.

I could swear those folks must be Republicans. Because they don't know anything about feelings.

Sure, we feel betrayed. In fact, in many ways we have been. Has anything worthwhile been done? Yes, but not the big things. Not the things that really count.

And the messaging. Straight out of Ronald Reagan and Republican central through Obama's lips.

Now, he's changing his tune these days - a little. It still stinks of Republicanism and giveaways, however. Do you really think we have to sacrifice Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid just to get anything done in this country at all? Just in order to help disaster victims, for instance? To even suggest that that is a fair trade is an insult.

No, people feel an enthusiasm gap, and they have plenty of reasons to feel it. Let the person doing the actions that cause them to feel that way stop doing those things, or else, yes, there will be consequences. We may not, any of us, be happy with those consequences. But actions and words always do have them.

That's why I wish Obama had faith that doing "the right thing" would gather plenty of popular support. What is that - well, Progressive ideas are what got him elected. How about standing full-heartedly behind them for a change?

Why would we applaud him when he does something counter to what he campaigned on? I don't care what the other side does or says or how hard they make it. We do not have to adapt to fit them, and he should not either.

[phasma ex machina]

7. You may want to blame perceived stupidity on laziness.

Perhaps journalists feel that nobody reads their stories anyway so who's to know if stories contain a boatload of pure BS?

[quakerboy]

101. wow

I just read the rest of the article.

It contains no facts. Purely anecdotal. How entirely useless.

[bluestateguy]

103. By the time the campaign is over Obama will have more small contributors than he had in 2008

Bet on it.

Of course getting the most votes actually wins elections, not number of donors, a point that seems lost on the author in the article.

[truthisfreedom]

4. He's not going to need he cash to get their votes anyway. There's nobody else to vote for.

We should get election reform completely pushed through when we gain control of both houses and the admin.

[phasma ex machina]

8. Re "There's nobody else to vote for."

Writing news stories is harder than it looks.

[No Elephants]

13. Maybe. Regardless of what you or I may think of them as options,

staying home is an option, as is voting third party.

Who knows? Some idiots may even vote for Romney, strong as he is being vs. Perry on Social Security.

[Dagaz]

19. There's nobody else to vote for

Don't assume that people will vote for the lesser evil. People want someone to vote FOR.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. Then "small donors" won't complain when the "large donors" fill the coffers then, right?

I wish I were a "journalist". That's gotta be the easiest and most overpaid job in the current economy. Read blogs all day; create a narrative; go on the teevee & discuss made up narrative with other "journalists"; other "journalists" push out said narrative to the unwashed masses via M$M; collect Koch Bros. paycheck. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. What could be easier? :shrug:

P.S.: Tarheel_Dem makes another donation in honor of DU. :rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

20. Have you been watching the change in narrative on Rick Perry.....?

Cause that is how easy it is, and that's how apparent it is.

Like you say, they read blogs, and then makes shit up.

And I keep telling folks that's all that they do,
which is why the Internet has a much bigger impact than folks believe...
but only when what's said on the Internet s twisted in the exact way that
The-Powers-that-be need them to be.

Tools. That's what we are talking about. Tools, everywhere...
acting like they don't fucking get it.
All of that to be able to blame Obama one day....
while by inauguration day, they'll be screaming bloody murder
as they start understanding just how 100% fucked they are about to get
by the Republicans!

It won't be pretty! https://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/we-all-have-a-choice-in-the-2012-election/

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. I have been watching, and it's exactly as you say.

Have you noticed that the M$M has a very narrow pool of folks from "the left" to draw on? I mean, Bernie Sanders is a staple, but that's only because he's usually anti-anything-Obama. While any nut from the right will do, because they're just reflexively anti-Obama.

Serious question? What do you think happens to the leftosphere when & if Pres. Obama loses in 2012? I have a theory that the leftosphere will dry up & blow away. The folks, like NorquistDogLake, who use these sites to "depress enthusiasm" & spread discontent will no longer have a use for them, because their job will done. Folks like myself, certainly won't be interested in supporting them because we'll see the site owners as having been complicit in the loss.

2012 could be a GOP wetdream come true. They've worked overtime to drive wedges between the various democratic constituencies, with the help of a few willing tools that, in no way, represent me. We either come together and support the president's reelection, or I see the Democratic Party splintering into many disjointed groups, with no one group having enough clout to win a race for dogcatcher. I hope I'm wrong.

[FrenchieCat]

36. I find Du to be amazing......

It's like fertile material for the Media Vulture that scout the place.....

This could be a twilight zone movie, you know.

[KoKo]

49. Don't forget to Donate to DU while you are at it. Your "star" is missing...

just saying...

[Tarheel_Dem]

133. My "star" will forever be "missing". That used to be an offense before...

the "Democrat", in Democratic Underground was replaced with whatever its mission is these days. But thanks for pointing out my missing star, I wear it as a badge of honor. I'll decide which causes I think are "worthy", thank you very much. ;)

[KoKo]

201. I was talking about "CLARK USA"...but why are you allowed to mouth off without donating?

When many DU Donators were thrown off this site..????

OOPS...I forgot...I need to ask Skinner about this...:-(

[Tarheel_Dem]

209. Perhaps Skinner knows those of us who kept this site running when the haters stormed off?

Perhaps Skinner likes to keep a few old school "(D)emocrats" around for appearances, so we get to post for free? :rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Funds are really scarse this year

So tell me, why should I give money to a candidate who will be fine?

Oh and fear ain't gonna work.

[Supersedeas]

189. a wait and see approach--waiting on the economy and on policy decisions

[Demeter]

15. Oh. They Noticed

Good

[FrenchieCat]

18. Good for you, hey?

And good for the Koch Brothers....
cause that just means less that they have to spend.

[ixion]

27. what good does it do to give him money?

nothing will change, and I'l be damned if I'll support Endless War.

[No Elephants]

22. Is this a surprise? People have less money and less hope than in 2007-2008.

Maybe, in 2008, if you were out of work, you had not used up your savings and your unemployment benefits and you hoped Obama was going to change that.

So, you sent in what you could. Maybe it was money you coulddn't really afford, but you looked at it as an investment in your future, or maybe that of your kids.


Now, the money just is not there, period. And maybe neither is hope for change.

[murielm99]

23. My money and my energy will not be going to Obama.

It will go to local and state progressives. I will work for people who are more like me, and who have records to prove it.

Why should I give to someone who has dashed my hopes over and over again?

I am angry that I worked my ass off for someone who has disregarded the very bedrock of my party.

Will I vote for him? Yes. I have no choice. That makes me as angry as the bipartisan crap and the willingness to act like a republican.

My daughter was someone who worked her ass off for Obama, too. She was one of the lucky ones to be in Grant Park on election night. When she found out about Warren, she cried. She has been around politics all her life, but this hurt her deeply. I can never forgive that. Over the years, I have put up with a lot from this party. I have compromised, and swallowed my misgivings over weak candidates and spineless behavior. But now I have been pushed too far. I feel as though my family has been kicked in the teeth personally. I live in Illinois, so I have seen Obama up close. I never expected anything but a moderate centrist. But I did expect a Democrat.

[FrenchieCat]

28. So how long have you been disappointed.....

when did it start, I mean.....?

And what legislation has he passed that makes him a Republican?

[murielm99]

88. Oh yes, it is all THEM.

The republican other, the evil media, etc., etc. He has done nothing to contribute to the disappointment that so many of us feel.

You have no right to insult me and the others here who have been activists for most of our lives. You have no right to engage in snarky personal attacks against good Democrats who have worked to elect those who represent our point of view, whether are novices to politics or old hands. I really appreciated all the newcomers who came to help in the last Presidential election. Do you really think the personal attacks will bring anyone back into the fold, will change any minds?

During the primaries, this is exactly what worried me. Obama had too many followers who behaved like cult members. Your behavior hasn't changed at all. Sharpen your claws on someone else. I had you on ignore during the primaries, and this time, I am keeping you there. There are other Obama supporters here who know how to discuss things like adults. I will talk to them.

And did I say Obama supporters? I am still an Obama supporter. I would not consider voting for a repubbie, or a primary challenger. I can be a supporter and still be angry and disappointed. I don't answer to you.

[StarsInHerHair]

132. me too, I singed in just to be free

[skyounkin]

91. Health care reform that was pretty much like the romney plan

you actually have to BUY insurance- who gives a shit if it will cover you, there is NO controls on the insurance companies. Sure they HAVE to cover you but shit they can and will charge you out the nose for it.

the budget deficit deal where he gave the rethugs 98% of what they wanted.

Wall street reform, or lack there of

We see tough talk from Obama everytime and very little follow through.

[eridani]

153. Not the legislation--the MESSAGING is Republican

Regulations kill jobs. "Entitlements" need to be on the table for "shared sacrifice." The deficit is far more important than jobs. Tax cuts are good and government should not be in the business of creating jobs.

[on point]

58. +1000

[nvme]

25. I need my $$$$$$$$$$

Where was my public option?
Where is same sex marrriage benefits
Where Is banks accountability? With Enron They prosecuted ! With AIG What?
Where is the Credit rating agency Accountability
Where is the money to get loans ? Why are banks tight to lend?
Glass Steagall?
Why isn't the Federal Reserve bank (a non government agency not accountable to the Americans?
Why are the bush tax cuts renewed and the small guy gets squat?
Why does Joe Lieberman have a committee when he stabbed Obama in the back and sold out on the the public option?
What about Immigration reform? Dream Act?
I will give my pennies but be accountable for not delivering

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[Joe Bacon]

82. Valid points?

Don't forget the Employee Free Choice Act!
Don't forget the whole Bush criminal cabal getting a pass.
Especially for me, I won't forget my pay freeze as a Federal employee and Obama's Catfood Commission wanting to steal another 6.2% of my pay by jacking my retirement contribution from 7% to 13.2%.

My rent just went up another 7%, so I don't have a penny to spare to toss Obama's way...

[MissMillie]

118. Those that used to have $20 to spare don't have it anymore

I know I don't.

[AnneD]

174. I voted for change...

and that's all I got...CHANGE.

I voted for an FDR and got a Hoover....the Dem leadership from WH on down sucks.

My time and money will go to local folks. Obama can continue to kiss GOP and WS ass, ask them for money because I have already been fleeced once before.

[ixion]

26. perhaps if he'd, you know, bothered to keep his campaign promises

rather than continuing BushCo era policies this wouldn't be a problem.

there has been no change. just more of the same crap.

[FrenchieCat]

30. That's not true.....

but you know that....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=772937&mesg_id=772937


Who was the last President who kept 100% of his campaign promises in 2.8 years of a 4 year term?
Can you name him/her?

[ixion]

31. none of them.

but he hasn't even come close.

You can blather on all you want. I didn't support neocon policies when Bush was in office, and I'm sure as hell not going to support them just because there's a guy with a (D) in front of his name in the WH now.

Save your political spin. I'm not buying it.

[FrenchieCat]

33. That's not true.....

you can dismiss me,
but you can't dismiss the facts.

You have an axe to grind, and you want us all to jump off the hill with you.
and I'm sorry about that.

But we all have a choice in the 2012 election,
we really do! http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/we-all-have-a-choice-in-the-2012-election/

[ixion]

37. please don't use the word 'facts' when you talk... at least when you talk in my direction

because what you're saying has nothing whatsoever to do with facts, in my opinion.

I don't care who stays on the hill and who jumps off. The only person I feel compelled to satisfy is myself. There is no axe to grind, as you try and posit, hence no reason for you to feel sorry.

There is no choice, in my opinion. Our destination is the same no matter who is (s)elected.

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[ixion]

41. And your interpretation of it is insightful of you

As in, you misinterpreted what I meant. And, to be clear, what I did mean was that I will NEVER support neocon policies. Period. Is that clear enough for you?

Ethics are how we act when no one else is around. For me to be at peace with myself, I must be true to my ethics. If you don't understand that, then that tells me much about you. And the people I admire most in history, Ghandi, Einstein, et. al. would agree with me.

[woo me with science]

109. Well said throughout this subthread.

This is the problem. Exactly. And no amount of spin will change that.

[ixion]

117. many thanks.

I really appreciate your kind words. :toast:

[highprincipleswork]

182. Good to know

Good to know, one of the reasons to have this board and be on it, is that there are others with shared values.

Many of us thought President Obama could be counted as one of us. But he hasn't acted that way. And he doesn't even talk that way, except when he seems to think it is politically expedient, as he increasingly does these days.

But still, the message keeps coming out sounding way too Republican lite for me. Or else it's too much "but the other guys are so much worse".

What a squandering of talent.

I take comfort in the few remaining fighters like Elizabeth Warren, who so far at least is kicking ass.

I take comfort in my knowledge that high principles work and that truth beats lies, eventually. Just wish that a president who can be so eloquent and strong in that way had the courage of his convictions - to be a true Democrat and to dispel the notion that Ronald Reagan's view of the economic world was anything other than childish, misguided, greedy.

Thanks for sharing your values and standing by them.

[Dragonfli]

119. Since Democrats have adopted the same Straussion imperialistic economic goals as the neocons

Those on the left will have to either become begrudging corporatist and support them hoping to teach Keynesian economics to those that refuse to learn (in my opinion a quixotic adventure)

Or else we will finally have to face the fact that the party we have been trying to bring back to it's former glory of standing for the people, their rights and their livlihoods has now finaly after all attempts to revive, died on the table.

It is now a corpse propped up next to the Republicans to maintain the illusion of a choice. Even if the corpse wins it will only be used as a ventriloquist dummy for banks , oil, and military talking points.

We have to stop holding up the corpse like some political version of weekend at bernie's. and admit that we must gather together in the wilderness and ally ourselves with the Unions the workimg poor and the poor and begin the work of forming a party that will stand for what Democrats once did, revive the platform of FDR and give it not lip service but support and expression in legislation submitted by a third party, The son of the Democratic party so to speak, now that it has died and left us with simply another Republican alternative, it must be reborn or be lost to history.

The Corporate political employes have stolen our name for their abomination. So we will be forced to choose a new one, perhaps Labor Party, or just go with the Socialist Democratic party.
It will take time, but we are getting nothing but Reagan and worse from the corpse right now, so we have finally reached a point where we simply have no other options left to us except to breathe life back into the principles and ideas that fought back the last assault of the super wealthy.

If we just go along to get along with either party all we will get is neo-feudalism.
I prefer to fight for the only ideas that brought shared prosperity and a moral and secure nation.

The corpse is dead, any more time spent on it is time spent on our own destruction. They will only bring us third world wages without security, a land where only the ultra rich can know security and joy.

If this fails, it will only be a matter of time before the hungry and sick that can not get help will explode in numbers and then explode in bloodshed. Once the rich prince said "let them eat cake" or more precisely, "let them eat peas", they stopped hiding the green skin of the corporate corpse as the stench became too pungent to continue to ignore.

[ixion]

122. very well said!

Your post deserves it's own thread. You should consider reposting it outside this thread. :applause:

[Dragonfli]

123. I would but it would likely be deleted. Thanks for the compliment tho /nt

[woo me with science]

166. +100000 It's a different party now.

I wrote a post about the craziness in Third Way messaging...the constant tension between pretending and claiming to support the same values as traditional Democrats, and attacking Democrats for demanding actual policies in support of those values. But you said it much more eloquently here.

This party is pretending to be something it isn't in order to win elections. But they are just a weird shadow of the Republicans now.

People are waking up.

[Dragonfli]

183. I believe I remember that OP, I remember reccing it as well. You did a great job /nt

[Jakes Progress]

139. Some think that if they call things they want to be true "facts"

that will make it so. Sort of like the "Promise". Say it over and over and it will come true.

[ellisonz]

161. " There is no choice, in my opinion. Our destination is the same no matter who is (s)elected."

Very Calvinist.

[RaleighNCDUer]

158. You can't dismiss facts -

like the fact that he thinks MORE free trade agreements will grow us out of the depression.

Remember Clinton? IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID! He's been wrong on the economy since the day the hired Goldman Sachs to run it.

JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!

[harun]

43. +1

[woo me with science]

112. Thank you. nt

[jtrockville]

120. I concur, ixion. He'll get my vote, but nothing else.

I won't work for him.
I won't donate to him.

He's better than the loons. That's a pretty low bar.

[Dystopian]

148. ..............

thanks...
:thumbsup:

I need to escape from this thread.

Wish I could plain escape.



peace~

[OKDem08]

32. I was a small donor and won't be contributing again...

donate to occupy Wall Street...it's a legitimate cause !!!

[FrenchieCat]

34. It is a Legitimate cause!

So that's a good thing.

I hope they can change things, although I doubt they will....

Guess that's part of the problem, things always seem easier to get done,
till one is trying to actually get it done.

Perhaps in 2.8 years, once occupy Wall Street is no longer occupying Wall Street,
you be talking about how you're not donating to them anymore,
but you'll be donating to some new group, who will try something else again.

The point of the matter is that we can't change much if we do not win in 2012,
period. No matter what folks think....and so this "I'm not donating business" is
only saving the Koch Brother's money so they can buy the hammer to pound the nails into the coffin.

[atreides1]

94. Will things change in 2012?

Not unless the Democrats have majorities in both Houses of Congress, and control the White House as well!

[defendandprotect]

42. Understandable --- imo --

We've had more than 20 years of Koch Bros.DLC influencing the party and

its candidates and the party now controlled by THIRD WAY -- Yikes!

[carolinayellowdog]

44. Those who launch multiple insults against fellow DUers

in order to distract attention from this news and deflect blame, make their cause appear weaker rather than stronger

[Trajan]

46. The usual suspects here ...

A kind of forum goon squad, if you will ...

Apparently, the President has not done anything that many past supporters feels warrants the same passion in the run up to the next election ... notwithstanding the protestations and arguments from the President's ardent supporters here in DU ....

The masses are not pleased, no matter how much you want to beat 'happy Obama voter' into their heads with ridicule and excuses ...

[DCBob]

47. They will be back when things start heating up.

its way too early for most people to focus on an election more than a year away.

[treestar]

54. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

55. +1000

The media and many on DU think the Presidential election is THIS November when it's NOT and won't be until over a year from now. :crazy: People keep falling for the M$M's attempts at filling the airwaves and column inches with election nonsense instead of reporting on things happening NOW like the Wall Street Occupation.

[DCBob]

56. precisely.. we would all be better off focusing on the plethora of critical issues facing us now.

such as the economy, jobs, wars, global warming, environment, human rights, world fammine, etc etc etc.

[UpInArms]

60. especially since they're not among the employed and

there are no jobs on the US horizon - sigh

[madrchsod]

48. could it be people don`t have any spare cash?

[bread_and_roses]

50. he don't need no stinkin' $5 donations ...

... plenty of deep pockets among his Corpo-crat & Bankster buds.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-15/obama-s-top-re-election-fundraisers-include-corzine-katzenberg-wintour.html

"Obama's 2012 Campaign Fundraiser List Shows Large Donations Play Big Role"

[bemildred]

51. You cannot worship both God and Mammon. nt

[on point]

52. Well duh, ignore and insult those who put you in office....

They are not likely to support you again

Fool me once, but not twice. The marketing con is over and we ain't falling for it again.

Donations are down, because OBAMA HIMSELF has been DOWN on working for the people and up on caving to the right wing.

[treestar]

53. Yet he's raised more money than his campaign goals

The "reasoning" behind this alleged phenomenon sounds suspiciously like it was written by someone on the PL. Yet there is no real proof of that.

[Bluenorthwest]

104. What an odd statment the piece is by Nicholas Confessore

It is creepy to suggest there is no way to identify the author of a piece when his name is on it. Not sure what the "PL" is but you could email the author and ask and or accuse him, his name and contact information are public and at the link. Arch implications and 'no real proof' crap is just that. There is no mystery as to who wrote this in the NYT.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/c/nicholas_confessore/index.html?inline=nyt-per

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[treestar]

140. There is nothing statistical there

Merely some cherry picked individuals who fit the narrative.

[LiberalEsto]

59. That's not surprising

If, like me, they've been out of work for nearly three years.

[undeterred]

61. Disillusioned and broke.

Small donors have no jobs and no money to give.

[_ed_]

63. Maybe people need to put food on their table and buy

medicine instead of enriching another millionaire politician.

Maybe the people who benefited by the Bush / Obama tax cuts can pitch in. His biggest donor last time was Goldmann-Sachs -- they have plenty of money due to federal policies, let them donate.

[Dragonfli]

92. Goldman_Sachs owes him a solid, he has helped them with billions, I am sure petty change can come up

several million to keep the investment going. After all the return on their investment in Obama has been phenomenal and they are after all business men. For every 10 million I believe you get a player on his financial team to be named later as well.
Good deals man good deals.

[_ed_]

107. Two Words: Tim Geithner

I won't even consider donating until this business criminal is out of Obama's administration.

[Irishonly]

65. Right now I can't afford it

No raises in SSDI for two years. The cost of my medications and food has gone up. Our belts have been tightened so much it seems like we have cut off circulation. I hope we will be able to give soon. I love Grace and I believe her seat is very safe.

[Tippy]

66. K&R.....This thread gave me hope....

[glinda]

67. Imagine part of it is that they have even less money.

[salib]

68. Well, I for one will not work for these shills

Lot of other very committed Dems here (San Antonio) are only enthusiastic about a few local candidates. Ones they know.

I am sure that is our own fault because we just do not understand:

- all the benefits we have enjoyed because of the press
- how much worse it would have been /will be otherwise
- is self-destructive to consider leaving the fold
- real change is so slow that is is barely perceptible and often looks like falling behind

Etc.

Giving money, time, energy, support in the everyday is an action above and beyond the basics (just voting). It is not made lightly, and requires more than excuses to motivate it.

I am not motivated. My peers are not motivated.

Again, of course, that is our fault, right?

[scentopine]

69. Better to send money to people who need it, Occypy Wall Street, for example -nt

[indypaul]

71. For the past several months

it has been going into the gas tank. It seems there is
not a spending problem but sure as hell is a revenue problem.

[grantcart]

72. Excellent example of how the NYT is ignoring facts in order to quote

anecdotal sources to frame a point of view that they want to promote.


Facts however show exactly the opposite. Last quarter the Obama campaign had a record amount of contributions and an unbelievable 250,000 new small time donors.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/07/13/157537.html

There are a number of factors propelling Mr. Obama’s fund raising machine. The Internet has obviously brought untold numbers of new donors into the game and made it a lot easier to give. OFA reported that over 250,000 first-time donors contributed during this quarter alone.

Moreover, a lot of these people are giving small dollar donations, perhaps more frequently. In the past few months, Facebook and Twitter newsfeeds have been clogged with solicits for $5 and $10 donations to the Obama camp, and Mr. Messina said the average contribution right now is $69, “substantially less” than it was in 2008.

hmmmmm so the small donor thing doesn't square with the facts.

well he is an incumbent

Granted, incumbent presidents always have a leg up on fundraising, so let’s make the comparison with George Bush Junior. At this point in 2003, Mr. Bush’s team and the RNC had a pot of $41 million, less than half of Obama’s $86 million – and lest we forget a critical point, the economy in 2003 was on a lot better ground than it is now.

well yeah but Obama won't be able to keep up with the 'enthusiasm of the Republicans, there is an enthusiasm gap'

Thanks to those half-million donors, Mr. Obama brought in $86 million for his campaign in the second quarter. That breaks down to about $11 million more than the Republican contenders raised combined.

Won't get the nomination
Can't get elected
Won't raise the money
Lost his base.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Well if you want actual facts about the campaign you have to go to Alarabiya rather than the NYT.

I guess that the NYT is so worried about collapsing revenues that they have decided to abandon 'All the News that is fit to print" and decided to go with the 'All the shit thats fit to monetize".

[chill_wind]

74. NYT shouldn't worry. Wall Street is still taking up the slack

quite a bit to keep it interesting. The only guy ahead of him in their coffers is Romney.

By a lot, however.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=780431&mesg_id=780910

[bertman]

76. Not to worry! Goldman Sachs and their buds will fill his coffers to make up for us.

Yes, I'm one of those small donors who will NOT give this President a dime for re-election. I busted my ass for him in '08 and all the goddam spin you want to throw on it will not dissuade me from the FACTS: more people I know have lost their jobs and any chance of getting one, the working people I know CANNOT afford health insurance under the Obama 'reform', we are still sending BILLIONS to Iraq and Afghanistan while our nation falls apart.

This President is a weak, inexperienced administrator who relies TOTALLY upon his DLC and Wall Street hand-picked advisors to tell him what to do. That is not what I voted for and I won't vote for it again.

My 40+ years as a loyal Democrat demand that I support democratic and what-used-to-be Democratic ideals. The party and the President are so far from supporting those ideals that I cannot in good conscience support him and most of the 'centrist' Democrats who are now put forward by the DLC as Democrats.

P.S.

I have a LOT of liberal friends who feel the same way.

[Enthusiast]

115. Bertman, I feel the same way....nt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

134. My first vote was for McGovern

The 2004 election was a real education in so many ways, and when it was over, I decided that I would not donate to or campaign for any candidate who didn't have a genuine passion for bettering the lot of the common people. No more candidates who have policy wonks design their websites. No more "sacrificial lambs" who seem less eager to win than their supporters were. I neither donated to nor campaigned for Obama, because I saw through his fake populist shtick. I would not have done so for Hillary Clinton, either, because I knew that she is a corporatist. I am sick of corporate Democrats. Let their beloved "independents" and "moderates" campaign and contribute.

[dflprincess]

135. Amen! n/t

[laugle]

200. Unfortunately,

many share your view. He is on track to raise 1 billion dollars. It's just so obscene........and we all know where it will come from. Clue: it's not the small donors.

[L0oniX]

77. Lots of them don't have jobs now.

[ronnie624]

78. In the end, each candidate will have spent half a billion dollars,

most of it coming from the elite class of our society, and they will continue to get exactly what they pay for.

[24601]

79. Sorry about that Mr. President, but you personally wiped out the

cushion I had for political contributions when you not only froze my pay - but also allowed OPM to approve health care premium increases. Can't contribute what ain't there anymore. Given Hatch Act restrictions, contributions were about all I could do. I could still be an election judge since those duties are performed in a non-partisan manner - but the fun & satisfaction have gone out of that.

Edit two kerwect speling

[Gin]

81. IMO it's too soon....he is the incumbent...not quite the same as

last election.

[secondwind]

83. The $$ is tighter this time around, but I am going to try to send something this week.

We need to help him out more than ever!!

[captain jack]

86. Let those he actually represents donate exclusively this time.

I can't wait to see the suits and swells out canvassing.

[chill_wind]

131. +1

[RoccoR5955]

93. I'm not giving one cent to Obama

I will give to my local elected officials, and my Congressman, Maurice Hinchey, because they have done more for us than Obama has. This does not mean that I will not vote for Obama, I simply am not contributing to his campaign. Perhaps some of the RepubliCONs, who he wants to meet "half way" with, will.

[begin_within]

95. Not to worry. Obama has plenty of buddies in the rich world.

[ProSense]

96. Axelrod: "12,000 individuals applied to join...as volunteer summer organizers, more than in 2008"

Axelrod: "12,000 individuals applied to join...as volunteer summer organizers, more than in 2008"

Looks like the campaign is in good shape.

[obxhead]

97. That's ok. Obama will do fine with his large donors from

the Health Insurance providers and Pharma companies he provided so well for. Big oil and the MIC will be there as well. He's provided for them above and beyond their desires.

[tropicanarose]

102. Most people don't have money to spare.

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[jwirr]

106. Many of us are now at the point that we are having to decide between

our medications or donating to a political candidate. Actions or lack of them have consequences.

[AnnieBW]

108. It's Different This Time

He's the incumbent. He's not fighting FOR the Presidency - he's fighting to MAINTAIN the Presidency. Dems aren't as fired up YET. But, as the Repubs get scarier and scarier, and we get towards the Main Event next November, the small donors will come out.

That being said - I got called yesterday and gave $50. I'm disappointed with many things about Obama, but the Repubs other than Huntsman scare the crap out of me.

[geckosfeet]

110. Well duh fucking doh. They have no jobs and no money. He'll have to ask the banks for dough.

[Marnie]

116. He doesn't need my money he has buddied up to the oil

industry, the health care industry, intercourses regularly with the entirety of the military industrial complex.

I have been rejected.

He won't get a dime. And right now he doesn't have my vote.

I believed his smooth talk once, but not again.

His reelection campaign has a billion dollars and I have to keep scrambling for jobs, my life savings disappeared in 2000-2002, I am 66 and have absolutely no future but to work any job I can find until, if I am lucky, I die on the job.

[OhioChick]

124. He should hit up his Wall St friends....

Everyone is broke here.

[Dystopian]

147. .............

:thumbsup:


peace~

[isuphighyeah]

127. Won't get fooled again. Candidate Obama

and President Obama are two different people. My worst fears about him as president have been realized. Couldn't he have been Hillary's VP? She wouldn't have been kowtowing to the R's like this.

[RowdyRacer]

136. Exactly...

When I get a call asking for money and support for 2012, I am going to make a rousing speech about how much money I am going to give, and how hard I plan to work. Then, I will pretend I never said any of it.

[isuphighyeah]

150. +100. n/t

[Inuca]

130. Not this (very) small donor

barely anything to spare, but if I get an email or something happens shortly after I get my paycheck, $10 go that way.

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[CarmanK]

138. SMALL donors, people with limited funds. Give judiciously!

I am not going to support the President's campaign this early, when there are some real needs out there that have to be met. I have to give to Elizabeth Warren, before him. I have to donate to Emily's LIst before him. I have to donate to Alan Grayson in FL before him. I have to help out Feinstein, beforE BO. But I am solidly in favor of the President running again, and I along with some friends will reinforce that commitment sometime next year.

[McCamy Taylor]

141. I just donated!

K&R

[la la]

149. me, too- about 3 wks ago... n/t

[Lugnut]

155. I can only speak for myself.

I have no extra dollars to donate to his campaign. Gas and food prices, Medicare supplement premiums and utilities have gone up and my SS benefits have not. There's too much month at the end of my money.

[BlueIris]

163. Good.

I just cringe whenever I read about someone on fixed income, someone with many dependants or someone with major health expenses (or student loan debt) having given money to this person. It breaks my heart. His nonfunctional policies have completely screwed the poor and struggling and I would cry if I met anyone in those circumstances who thought he still deserved what little support that person couldn't afford to give.

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[CakeGrrl]

171. "This person" - your contempt for a sitting Dem President is unmistakable.

But I guess we won't be seeing you after the Dem Convention since you're made clear that he lost your vote a while ago.

Looking forward to getting to that stage of the campaign.

[Tarheel_Dem]

172. Ditto!

:dem:

[highprincipleswork]

175. Democratic Convention

Personally, I would not be surprised to hear boo's at the Democratic Convention, should he not start acting like a Democrat. And I would welcome them.

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[Stuckinthebush]

178. They will...just about every one of them

When the GOP picks a candidate and they see the alternative US in which they may be living.

Watch. Small donations will surge.

[krawhitham]

180. Small donors just do not have the extra money this go around

It is not that we do not support the president, money is just hard to come by these days


The cost of everything has gone up and pay has gone down. This election cycle I will be volunteering more and donating less money

I wish I had the extra cash this time but I don't

[krawhitham]

181. Plus the election is 13+ months away

How many small donors was giving to Obama before the 1st primary last election cycle?

[boxman15]

185. These last two posts should end this thread right there.

The election is more than 13 months away. The economy is in rough shape. People aren't going to donate for a while. Personally, I've only been able to donate $5 so far, but I plan on donating more should the economy miraculously turn around.

[uponit7771]

187. ******BULLSHIT OBAMA BASHING ARTICLE****** Donors were giving LESS around same time in 08

...Fuckin asshole NYTs article

[ClassWarrior]

191. If you use caps and punctuation and potty words, does that make it more true?

:rofl:

NGU.

[phleshdef]

219. No because nothing can be "more true". Either its true or not.

And in this case, what that poster said is true, though I'm sure you'd much rather pick at the caps and curse words in order avoid that bit of inconvenient fact.

[Dr Fate]

192. Give me a tax cut like the Koch brothers got and I'll donate plenty.

The last time I gave a bunch of money to DEMS, they rewarded my efforts by awarding the Koch Brothers, the Bush Family, the Cheneys, etc. more tax cuts than I will ever see in my life.

Supposedly I did get a tax cut under Obama- but the rent man and the bill man and the grocery man raised their prices to where I never even noticed it. I have less disposable money under Obama than I have had since I started working full time almost 20 years ago.

But now with another election looming he says he will fight to give me some breaks *this time*. Pretty much what he said before too.

I'll vote for him but unless he can fight and win me sizable tax cut like he got for the Kochs, a loan bail-out like he fought for and got for Wall Street, then I have ZERO money to spare.

If DEMS can get some money in my wallet b/f November-- not just a promise- but a DELIVERY, then I'll donate plenty.

[ProSense]

195. Obama campaign has a small donor "pace that is even higher than his 2008 campaign"

Obama campaign has a small donor "pace that is even higher than his 2008 campaign"

[a kennedy]

196. Thank you.....was looking for this article.....

:fistbump:

[Dr Fate]

198. Great news. Glad they can afford to donate in my place. I'm broke.

n/t

[grantcart]

203. hook, line and sinker

A classic example of how many will grab any thread and rec it if it is just anti Obama.

The article's anecdotal analysis of what is clearly reported in actual data bases should have
Been a clue. No need for statistics if we can just spread more anti Obama lies.

Also lost in the hysteria = 250,000 new donors.

[YellowCosmicSun]

197. It's amazing that so many are eager to recommend a pack of lies.

Do you really despise Obama so much?

[laugle]

199. He just had a

fundraiser here in CA. Cost: $35,000 per plate. Don't really think he cares much about small donations.......

I just wish he would get to work,instead of campaigning so early. I guess he will campaign for 2 years like he did last time. The difference is he has a job to do this time!! It just looks bad.

[ClarkUSA]

204. The MSM whore reporter made up a false story. -> "Media FAIL: Lies, damned lies and New York Times"

"the president's re-election campaign, as of June, had amassed over 552,000 individual donors, 260,000 of them brand new to the Obama campaign, with an average donation of $88 and 98% of donors giving under $250. But hey, why look at the real numbers when you can base your headline on a few interviews and soundbites?"

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/media-fail-lies-damned-lies-and-new.html

Furthermore, more individual donors gave in 2011 Q2 than the whole of 2007. Funny how this fact is consistently and completely ignored by the "liberal" media, eh?

[Sheepshank]

206. Time to revisit this thread given the latest development of Obama's 1,000,000 th donor

Check out the prediction on post #103

:fistbump:

[Tarheel_Dem]

212. I knew someone would locate this piece of crap thread.

:fistbump:

Serious "Pwnage"!


:rofl:

[Number23]

222. LOVING IT!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x782270#782322

:kick:

[Name removed]

207. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Tarheel_Dem]

208. And it got 78 recs.

:rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

"Pwnage"

:rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[uponit7771]

213. It was a weekend post, the negative shit always gets rec'd up on low post count days

[Arugula Latte]

210. If you have one million donors, won't the vast majority be "small"?

[cstanleytech]

211. I wonder if they think the president can just hold a gun to the heads of congress to force them

to support his proposals? The fact is he cant legally do that and he knows that but it makes me wonder why some people fail to grasp that fact.

[Tarheel_Dem]

214. They didn't pay attention in Civics class.

;)

[Beacool]

215. These are very hard times, maybe people don't have the money to spare.

Although, some may simply choose not to contribute.

:shrug:

[Name removed]

216. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[zalinda]

218. They don't have any fucking money !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, of course, Obama paid more attention to the finances of the rich, than the poor. But, then, of course, I have anger issues according some on DU.

zalinda

[Tarheel_Dem]

221. So you bought the lie as well? It's funny how we see only what we want to see.

Check out the link in #216. It was a story filled with anecdotal tales of people who may or not have been Obama supporters in 2008. The link I shared in #216 puts the lie to rest, which is why a good DU'er dug up this month old o.p. to refute the lies told by the author.

You really should've looked around the forum a bit more before commenting. ;)

[zalinda]

226. At least I don't accept everything Obama does as

righteous, and every word out of his mouth as the truth. I thought that was the mark of the Bush worshipers.

zalinda

[Tarheel_Dem]

227. It's a matter of trust. I'm a "Democrat", and I trust my "Democratic" president, on a site called..

"Democratic" Underground. So sue me? :shrug: You still didn't address the issue at hand, and that was that the NYT article was nothing more than a hit piece, pulled out of the author's ass, and designed to create a false narrative. Those of us on the ground, knew it was a lie, but like I said "you believe what you choose to believe". And you wanted, desperately, to believe that the NYT hit piece was accurate. Sorry. :-(

Obama bashers are quick to tell supporters that we're just like the Bush-bots, and perhaps that's true to a degree. But, at the end of the day, it's a matter of trust. I didn't trust Bush, and I still don't. I don't have that problem with my "Democratic" president.

Barack Hussein Obama - 2012

:dem:

[Number23]

223. Not just anger issues....

[Tarheel_Dem]

224. Tee Hee

:spray:

[phleshdef]

220. I'm holding out on making contributions until the general election, when it will be most needed.

[friedgreentomatoes]

225. Last election cycle..

at this time the donors were so tired of Bush that they probably started donating early, to give him a signal that money will keep pouring. This time on, he is already the Democratic nominee, so a year out from the election the small donor donations might not be that much. I don't see a cause of concern right now.

[thelordofhell]

228. Libel

There are more small donors for President Obama now than in 2008 and this dipshit just publishes his hitpiece anyways.

[Tarheel_Dem]

229. "hitpiece". And this piece "hit" its target demo. They were celebrating this (s)hitpiece....

to the tune of 78 recs. None have come back to say Oops, my bad, or anything. They should know that just because they don't acknowledge it, won't change the actual truth. And the truth is that actual "democrats" like their president, and want him reelected. :thumbsup:

1,000,000+ donors say Obama/Biden-2012

:bounce:

[LittleBlue]

230. I donated 3 times in 2008 and will not be doing so again

Let him get his money from the banks. He made them profits, not me.