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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:08 PM
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Obama wrote a jobs bill, is following through with his promise to take it on the road to tout it,
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 05:09 PM by jenmito
is looking and sounding stronger than he has in a looong time, and is at 39%/53% approval/disapproval in Gallup? I don't get it. I guess his numbers won't improve until he starts campaigning against the Repub. nominee.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:14 PM
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1. Could it be the three "free" trade bills that Obama and
the Republicans are trying to pass?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:24 PM
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6. Could it be the repeal of DADT he got passed?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:33 PM
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7. Doubtful. Most Americans are in favor of ending DADT
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 05:34 PM by MannyGoldstein
But they don't want their jobs shipped abroad.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:41 PM
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10. It's legislation that he got passed that a Repub. would never even WANT to get passed...
did YOU want it passed? I don't see ANY posts about it from you. Are you here only to criticize Obama?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:44 PM
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11. Of course I'm glad that it passed
I'm glad Obama was for it, too.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:45 PM
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12. Then why no posts about it? n/t
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:54 PM
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13. Perhaps you're right.
I typically don't praise Democrats for doing what they're supposed to do, but perhaps I should.

Your turn: how do you feel about Obama joining with Republicans to push three "free" trade bills that were introduced by George Bush?
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 12:21 PM
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25. Have you ever praised Obama? Now tell the truth.
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 04:31 PM
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29. Is that the big issue facing America?
To 'praise' or not to 'praise?'

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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 04:34 PM
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32. Who are you that posters have to justify themselves to you?
Or, should I say, who WERE you...
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 06:39 PM
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34. Does the question upset you that much?
It goes a long way in determining where a person stands to know whether they actually ever supported Obama in the first place.
Don't you think?
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 06:56 PM
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35. No one here needs to defend their credentials to you.
You say you want to know where someone stands? Look at where they're standing, it's pretty simple.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 06:12 PM
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17. COC agenda:
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 04:32 PM
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30. He does, absolutely, need to drop those FTAs.
They undermine everything else in the jobs bill.
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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:16 PM
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2. Obama has no credibility. The jobs bill is 1 yr too late. Too much Capitulation.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:22 PM
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5. Yeah, he shouldn't have bothered w/HCR, Wall St. reform, credit card reform & DADT repeal last year.
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 05:28 PM by ClarkUSA
Fuck that Small Business Jobs Act and overhauling federal Student Loan Programs, too:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=President+Obama+2010+legislation&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

:sarcasm:

Just WTF "capitulation" did he do, by the way, considering Republicans were against him all the way on all the above? Do you have any proof to back up your rhetoric?

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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 09:45 AM
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22. HCR is a loser, Wall Street reform was watered down. His record is light on Democratic values.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 08:04 PM
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36. You're full of negative talking points but empty on facts. Obviously you could've done better.
Edited on Sun Sep-25-11 08:07 PM by ClarkUSA
Why don't run for President, win, and force Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats in Congress to pass everything you desire?

:sarcasm:
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 06:02 AM
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37. +2012
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:21 PM
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3. Unfortunately, with the economy in the toilet, he's going to be in trouble.
I know the economy isn't his fault, but by November 2012, the voters will by and large blame him. I'll still support him with money, volunteering, and my vote, but I'm very pessimistic regarding the outcome of the election.
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 12:22 PM
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26. You sure do pretend to speak for alot of people there. Good thing you aren't actually authorized.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 04:22 PM
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28. I'm very sorry. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was speaking for people.
I intended to make it sound like I was making a political prediction, one which can very well be wrong; in fact, it's a prediction I very much HOPE is wrong. But still, it was just a prediction. It's what I think will happen. I don't know for sure, and I hope I'm wrong. I do realize I'm not authorized to speak for the entire voting population of the United States.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:22 PM
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4. Kaiser poll: 52 percent trust the President on defict reduction
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:37 PM
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8. I trust Obama on deficit reduction, too
Which is precisely the problem: it's the exact opposite of what our country needs right now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:41 PM
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9. Well
"Which is precisely the problem: it's the exact opposite of what our country needs right now."

...does this mean you support the American Jobs Act?

AFSCME is asking people to call Congress.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 05:55 PM
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14. Does that have anything to do with my post? nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 06:06 PM
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15. Oh
"Does that have anything to do with my post? "

...did I misinterpret your comment?

You said about deficit reduction: "Which is precisely the problem: it's the exact opposite of what our country needs right now."

I asked: Does this mean you support the American Jobs Act?

So if you didn't mean jobs, what did you mean by "exact opposite of what our country needs right now"?

IOW, what does our country need right now?

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 06:11 PM
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16. We need massive spending on the middle class
No trickle-down stuff, no slashing health care for senior citizens.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 06:14 PM
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18. Um
"We need massive spending on the middle class"

...what kind of spending?

Anything specific?

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 06:15 PM
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19. A WPA-like program. Money directly to workers.
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 06:15 PM by MannyGoldstein
BTW - how do you feel about slashing nursing home reimbursements by > 10%?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 07:04 PM
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20. Like
"A WPA-like program. Money directly to workers."

...this:

<...>

Total expenditures on WPA projects through June 1941, totaled approximately $11.4 billion. Over $4 billion was spent on highway, road, and street projects; more than $1 billion on public buildings, including the iconic Dock Street Theatre in Charleston, the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, and the Timberline Lodge on Oregon's Mt. Hood;<16> more than $1 billion on publicly owned or operated utilities; and another $1 billion on welfare projects, including sewing projects for women, the distribution of surplus commodities and school lunch projects.<17> One construction project was the Merritt Parkway in Connecticut, the bridges of which were each designed as architecturally unique.<18> In its eight year run, the WPA built 325 firehouses and renovated 2384 of them across the United States. The 20,000 miles of water mains, installed by their hand as well, no doubt aided in a more fire protected country.<19>

The direct focus of the WPA projects changed with need. 1935 saw projects aimed at infrastructure improvement; roads, bringing electricity to rural areas, water conservation, sanitation and flood control. In 1936, as outlined in that year’s Emergency Relief Appropriations Act, public facilities became a focus; parks, buildings, utilities, airports, and transportation projects were funded. The following year, saw the introduction of agricultural pursuits in projects such as the production of marl fertilizer and the eradication of fungus pests. As the Second World War approached, and then eventually began, WPA projects became increasingly defense related.<20>

<...>


So you'd support programs like this and this:



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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 07:51 PM
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21. WPA wasn't trickle down. Money went directly to workers. nt
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 12:49 PM
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27. Exactly! nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 05:45 PM
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33. Agreed - direct pay to workers would solve three problems at once...
Edited on Sun Sep-25-11 05:46 PM by polichick
...it would put people to work, fix our infrastructure and boost the economy, since the workers would actually spend it.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 09:53 AM
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23. Jenmito the problem is the progressives who do not give him the credit he deserves for . . .
. . .what he has done.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 11:49 AM
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24. It's because when folks get what they asked for,
they move the goalpost.

When they get fucked, like we did when Bush was President,
then Pres. Obama will get 70%-90% job approval rating for 16 months...
Just like Bush did....or maybe not.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 04:33 PM
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31. Polls are meaningless because the questions asked are designed to...
...manipulate the results.
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