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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:49 PM
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"If you don't like the current iteration of America, you need to remember that you are America."
Edited on Sat Sep-17-11 12:51 PM by Pirate Smile
Liberal Sorcery

By Ta-Nehisi Coates

I want to double (or triple) down on these three posts by Yglesias. They're all somewhat themed around the president's job plan. As Matt rightly notes, this obsession with the president's want of liberalism really needs to confront the hard facts of Senators and congressmen who say things like this:

"Terrible," Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) told POLITICO when asked about the president's ideas for how to pay for the $450 billion price tag. "We shouldn't increase taxes on ordinary income. ... There are other ways to get there."
"That offset is not going to fly, and he should know that," said Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu
from the energy-producing Louisiana, referring to Obama's elimination of oil and gas subsidies. "Maybe it's just for his election, which I hope isn't the case."
"I think the best jobs bill that can be passed is a comprehensive long-term deficit-reduction plan," said Sen. Tom Carper
(D-Del.), discussing proposals to slash the debt by $4 trillion by overhauling entitlement programs and raising revenue through tax reforms. "That's better than everything else the president is talking about -- combined."


Matt:

A few things to note about this, which speak to the depth of the structural issue here. One is that Delaware is not a conservative state. Nor is it a swing state. The Democratic presidential candidate won there in 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008. President Obama got 62 percent of the vote there. And even so, Carper is attacking the president's jobs agenda from the right. What's more, I think the most plausible possible account of this is that Carper genuinely believes that the best jobs bill that can be passed is a comprehensive long-term deficit-reduction plan because if he's not expressing a sincerely held belief, it's a bit hard to see the political angle here.

Now on to Webb and Landrieu, what strikes me about their remarks is that they're being mean. Webb isn't respectfully disagreeing with the administration's proposed offsets, he's calling them "terrible." Landrieu is calling the sincerity of the president's motives into question. For me, it's difficult to imagine parallel behavior on the other side. Conservative states sometimes elect wishy-washy moderate Democratic senators, but when North Dakota or Alabama sends a Republican to Washington, they send a solid conservative. And while your Scott Browns and Olympia Snowes sometimes don't vote with the party leadership, they rarely attack the leadership in quasi-personal terms. They don't suggest that Mitch McConnell has "terrible" ideas that he's pursuing for low political reasons.


The other day Tavis Smiley made the point that president's job plan didn't go far enough. I'd bet a lot of progressives concur and I think pushing the point is healthy, legitimate, essential and fair. But it's also healthy, legitimate, essential and fair to then ask, "What would make more progressive legislation possible?" That line of thinking has to confront the kind of statements and action by Democratic Senators who evidently feel little or no pressure from their progressive base.

One of the reasons why I've harped on the "flying while brownish" series is because I think liberals are much more comfortable attacking whoever seems to hold the most power, and much less comfortable examining the power of the "weak," as well as the power that they, themselves, wield. Power confers responsibility. In evading the notion that citizenship in a democracy confers power, you also evade the notion that it confers responsibility. It's comforting to believe in a narrative of liberal "betrayal," to argue that the game is rigged in such a way that the Hippie-punchers always win.
It's also pretty cynical.
Tom Carper mouthing off from the comfortable environs of blue Delaware is a failure of Team Commie to be regarded as serious political force. People who talk of primarying Obama need to pick smaller targets--and thus elicit bigger results.

But being taken seriously involves actual work. It means a poverty tour that doesn't just bark (Obama the black mascot) but bites (voter registration in swing districts.) If you don't like the current iteration of America, you need to remember that you are America. The failure to build a more progressive America isn't merely a testimony to dastardly evil, it's a testimony to the failure of progressives.


Matt again:

If you're a progressive and you feel that the political system isn't doing what you want, it's misguided to look at this as a personal failure of elected officials. It's, if anything, a personal failure of you and people like you. Justice and equality doesn't just happen because it's nice, people need to make it happen. If it's not happening, then its advocates are failing.


Somehow we got in our head that the Civil Rights movement happened because Martin Luther King was a really nice guy. We don't really talk about the movement as an actual force, as applying force. We don't think about what SNCC was really trying to do when they were risking their lives to register voters in the delta. When we think about people trying to kill them we think about evil, but we should think about power and fear.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/print/2011/09/liberal-sorcery/245142/
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 12:57 PM
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1. I was shocked by Landrieu's and Webb's disrespectful statements about
Edited on Sat Sep-17-11 12:59 PM by TwilightGardener
the President and his bill. Not shocked by their positions, of course--they're functionally Republicans--but shocked by the blatant disrespect. Carper--WTF? Everyone here who screams that OBAMA is a nemesis to progressive causes needs to take a look at the rest of the party.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:04 PM
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2. Maybe the public has lost faith in government.
If that is so then giving the government more money seems like an exercise in futility that will only result in future taxes.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:12 PM
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3. Carper is from the state which gives free reign to corporations
that incorporate there.

They have always relied on the revenue from corporations HQ being there. Very friendly to corporations.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:49 PM
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6. So instead of blaming Obama for that
Or any POTUS (cause we all know Russ and Dennis and Bernie would have the same Carper) why aren't we going after the Carpers of the Senate? As the article says, Delaware is blue. Perhaps Carper can be replaced with a more progressive Democrat, without risking a loss to the Republicans of the seat. Where on DU do we see urgings to work on things like this? About never. No, it's alway "primary Obama" and "Bernie for President."
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 08:29 PM
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10. It's not Carper per se, I believe it is in the best interests of Delaware
that are clashing with a progressive agenda...

It happens...
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:39 PM
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4. Trouble with this piece is that all the Democrats quoted are
right wing, Blue Dog, Centrists much like the President himself. He campaigned for them all, I despise them all. They are not liberals, nor are they Progressives, they are functionally Republican and they all come from States very far from my own.
The other trouble is the name calling, red baiting and the general lack of reason on display. Team Commie? That is something a Republican would say. Not a liberal, not a Democrat, a Republican. Or one of their centrist simulacrums.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 04:33 PM
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16. Obama isn't a Blue Dog,
he just plays one in your mind.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 01:47 PM
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5. Wish I could rec this 1000 times
Personal failure of elected officials is the constant cry. It was Obama who said

"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." Barack Obama

I feel like :puke: when I see crap like, "where is the change we were promised?" Or "I voted, that was my job." Yeah, now go home and whine.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 05:03 PM
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7. Exactly!
It is very frustrating to see people so sanctimoniously saying, "I voted for you, so now I'm going to kick back and wait for you to do what I want you to do. Run along and do it NOW!" Meanwhile, they sit down and wait . . . and when the President doesn't do exactly what they want him to do the way they want him to do it when they want him to do it, they bang on their computer keyboards, railing and ranting that he is "weak," a "caver," and a turncoat and demanding that he be primaried.

It's very sad that in this day and age, people don't realize that democracy requires more than just voting and being a constituency means more than just yelling from he peanut gallery. It takes work, which many Democrats seem unwilling to do.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 05:09 PM
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8. Hear Hear!!!
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 05:20 PM
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9. And so can you! n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 10:27 PM
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11. K/R
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 11:41 PM
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12. Rec'd. I've been quoting Coates' comments everywhere
We've been talking about them in the AA forum here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=258&topic_id=11202&mesg_id=11204

He is right on the damn money. And love the well-deserved dig at Cornel and Tavis as well.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 11:48 PM
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13. This comment is especially relevant
"If you don't like the current iteration of America, you need to remember that you are America. The failure to build a more progressive America isn't merely a testimony to dastardly evil, it's a testimony to the failure of progressives."

I just had the most surreal and absurdly stupid conversation with a poster here who basically said that the reason Obama is losing the independents is because the Dems are "going too far to the right."

In this person's logic, most Americans support liberal policies. But because the current Dem party is only a 4 or 5 on the liberal scale in his view, these same Americans are deliberately ushering in politicians who are a -3856 on the liberal scale. The minute he said that, I just backed away. There is simply no discussing with people who think things like this.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 10:43 AM
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14. But Coates knows full well that the most power a single person has is the VOTE.
We successfully voted Obama in.

I've been politically active for years. I am the chair of our local DFA. If you're not working on this as a full time job--think a PAC--it's harder than hell to effect real social change.

Coates makes it sound like all we have to do is write letters to the editor or something.

You've got the richest, most powerful corporations on one side and a rabble of conflicting and conflicted individuals on the other.

And what's Coates doing about it? Why, he's BLOGGING!

Big whoop.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 04:29 PM
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15. You've completely missed his point
His point is that the progressive movement AS A WHOLE has failed. That the lack of progressive candidates and/or progressive legislation is the fault of ALL progressives. He mentioned absolutely nothing about "writing letters to the editor."

It's obvious to me that he thinks people need to get off their asses and lobby to create progressive legislation and increase the number of progressive candidates and legislators in Congress. Sitting around bitching about Obama does none of this.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 07:38 PM
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19. I've been off my ass ever since Bush stole the WH in 2000. I don't know what more Coates
wants me to do.

Or anybody else for that matter.

I don't think I missed his point. He seems to think that a majority of voters can effect real change.

What I see is that powerful special interests make sure that doesn't happen.

Coates is the one who doesn't get it.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 07:49 PM
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20. Well, I disagree
All 18 members of the Tea Party have held this country hostage for the last 2 damn years. Surely a progressive movement could be at least half as effective.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 08:08 PM
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21. That's because they have major money behind them. Koch billionaire money for starters. nt
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 08:13 PM
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22. Now, that's definitely true
But there are no shortage of million and billionaires on the "left."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 04:35 PM
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17. Oh, I know......
Let's put on a show and blame Obama, and not the congress that he has to work work with!

Isn't that a brilliant idea?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 07:06 PM
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18. Whatever! I am not represented ...period! I don't have enough money for that.
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