Randy Rhodes: I grewup in NY-9 district it is not a democratic district

[bigdarryl]

quote:They have Orthodox Jews,Italians, and Jamaican Blacks some in that district would never vote for a black man and the Jews voted republican because you had democrats like Ed Koch telling democrat voters to vote republican because Obama is anti Israel and a lot of people voted against the gay marriage law that was just pasted. The whole district voted for Bush in 2004 and in 2008 Obama only won parts of the district .Thanks Randy my girl

[Broderick]

1. Obama got 55% in that district

Year District winner District runner-up National winner National runner-up
2000 Al Gore 67% George W. Bush 30% George W. Bush 48% Al Gore 48%
2004 John Kerry 56% George W. Bush 44% George W. Bush 51% John Kerry 48%
2008 Barack Obama 55% John McCain 44% Barack Obama 53% John McCain 46%


It is not about color considering Kerry vs. Obama imo. Trending away though perhaps. She is very wrong on her "facts".

[bigdarryl]

2. I'm just the messenger here that is what she said on radio today

she said it's not a referendum on Obama as the media is trying to portray it's all about throw the bums out

[Broderick]

3. I blame Koch

Pure and simple. Whooped up the frenzy on the memorial and gay marriage. The Jewish orthodox was played against their own best interests.

She is wrong on her facts though.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. I heard her, and I think that she meant to say that the district is trending conservative

due to the changing demographics and the power of the vote held by conservative Jews and Italian Americans. What she should have added is that not enough of us Democrats come out to vote. When we vote, we win! There are still more Dems than there are Repukes!!

[Broderick]

17. 3 to 1 there

Registered at least. The media is depressing turnout at every turn. Comcast is starting to overtake the one station that tells the truth.

[butterfly77]

22. +1

Koch is treasonous he cares about Israel more than America..

[Broderick]

23. And the murder of Palestinians warms his heart.

I can take that to the bank in my mind.

[vroomvroom]

4. Truman: 'Given a choice between a fake Republican and a real one the public will choose...

the real Republican every time".

That pretty much sums up what i think happened in that district. Obama governs like a republican (except his when he speaks during campaign season) and democrats for the most part play good-cop/bad-cop with republicans. As a voter, if i am going to vote for a fake republican i might as well vote republican or just stay home. I wouldnt be surprised to find democrats said the same.

[Broderick]

5. Seems that a lot stayed home

and that is the unwritten story, and that is my biggest concern. For all the money spent, the voter turnout was rather low. I am confident that it doesn't translate to a national thing, but the mid terms kind of solidify that. Who is energized is the key.

[Ikonoklast]

6. Didn't know Obama was on the special electon ballot.

What you posted is complete nonsense.

[Hawkowl]

8. We shall see...

I expect Obama to get his ass soundly thrashed in 2012. His whole strategy is "I am not batshit crazy", meaning he's expecting to run against Perry or Bachman.

Obama could turn it around if he starts to finally attack Rethugs and playing the blame game, while going intensely partisan. Not going to happen.

[rury]

21. Hawkowl I know you HOPE President Obama will lose in 2012

but I expect your sorry ass to be soundly disappointed when he is re-elected comfortably.
Obama is doing all he can with an intransigent congress.
You are a hater trying to bring Obama down!

[Hawkowl]

27. He is bringing himself down.

Wiener's district hasn't gone Republican since 1920. That is a signal to change message, strategy and tactics. Same old isn't going to work. And all he can with an intransigent congress isn't good enough. Sadly, that's life in that sometimes people just aren't good enough. I will be sad if right wing hack Obama gets re-elected. I will be pleased if he pivots left and goes populist not just with rhetoric but with policies and is re-elected. As I said, we shall see.

[Broderick]

9. Sadly, in a sense you have to know what they ran on there

The campaign was on gay marriage and the memorial, but most of the commercials were linking Welprin to Obama and that is where this sentiment comes from. I think it was more the former than the latter. Rabbis were saying, and writing to vote a certain way because of how Welprin stood on gay marriage and the memorial.

[laugle]

14. What do you

expect when you quote a vicious, drunken, political HACK! That's as bad as quoting Hannity on the other side for his accuracy..........

What's next a quote from Stephanie Miller!

[Cali_Democrat]

7. What a dumbass

The district hasn't gone Republican in 90 years. 45 straight elections it has gone Democratic. Obama also won 55% of the vote there.

[Politicalboi]

10. The Dems need to corner the internet market

They need to get young 18 year olds active with tweeting and if need be do some voting on issues among the young voters. Get them involved in voting on issues prior to the 2012 election. Get them more involved in politics and the importance of their future. Call it Teen Beat Tweet Your Future or something to get them involved.

[bigdarryl]

11. here's a good Politico story on NY-9

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63518.html

[bigdarryl]

12. Anyone noticed how quite Ed Schultz has been about this election

he didn't mention it one time on his radio show and he's broadcasting from NY.Lets see if he brings it up tonight on MSNBC

[rug]

13. The district is not the sama as it was 30 years ago

Fifty years ago Kitty Genovese was killed there.

[totodeinhere]

15. We can spin this any way that we want to. But the fact remains that this district has been held by a

Democrat for 90 years. It's an embarrassment for the Democratic Party. A lot of people at DU want to be in denial about this.

[Imajika]

20. Because too many people believe our own propaganda..

Spinning these results for public consumption is very important, but amongst ourselves we should never be so silly as to actually believe our own spin.

[Imajika]

18. Just stop trying to spin this loss...

It was a bad loss. Period. It's obviously not a super safe Dem district, but we've held it for like 80 years. The excuse making is just ridiculous and anyone who actually buys this spin is an ostrich. If the economy were good, or even just better than it is, Obama could have campaigned for our candidate and we would have likely won in a what is still a Democratic district. Because the economy continues to be terrible, the President could not help at all - in fact the Republicans were busy tying Obama to Weprin. Yes, there were local factors, but at the end of the day it is the economy that is hurting us.

The loss was bad. It isn't the end of the world. The drubbing our candidate took in Nevada was bad too. It also isn't the end of the world. Clearly though, the rotten economy is causing serious problems for the President and Democratic candidates. We've got a year to turn this around and make clear to the voters that the Republicans are blocking any attempt at improving things. It will be a long, difficult slog to keep Obama in the White House.

[HockeyMom]

19. I lived there in Middle Village when Ferraro was the Rep

It was a very mixed area even back then. There were a lot of Korean immigrants moving in back then. Then you had the very blue collar types, and yes, old world Jewish families. The Queens part has changed a lot with more and more Asian immigrants. You have, as my in-laws are, the Italian/Irish Archie Bunker types who will vote based on social issues even to the determint of their own financial issues. I have had many fights in the family over gay marriage, despite so many gays in our own family. They just don't get it, and there is no changing their minds. The only hope in all this is the young, unmarried people moving into the area who don't give a crap about religion, gays, or long time party affliations.

[badtoworse]

24. Sorry, doesn't pass the sniff test

It's been a Democratic seat since 1923. Only an idiot would believe it's not a Democratic district.

[lynne]

25. Well, that sure explains why its been in Democratic hands since the 1920's

- If the spin gets any worse, we'll all have vertigo! :crazy:

[Beacool]

26. Yeah, that must be why the last Republican to hold the seat was in 1923.

Spin like a top, it still won't change reality. Democrats got spanked.

:shrug:

[WI_DEM]

28. It was Obama's weakest district in NYC in '08 getting 55% compard to about 80%

elsewhere. It is a conservative district, but I believe the democrats lost because we nominated a flawed candidate more than anything.

[frazzled]

29. Ask why New York had a Mayor Giuliani and Mayor Bloomberg

from 1994 to today. That's 17 straight years of Republican (now Republican/Independent) mayors. I don't have the numbers at my hands, but I wouldn't be surprised if NY9 went for Giuliani way back when. Since then, the demographics have changed even more.

Massachusetts always has a reputation for being "Democratic," yet they've elected Mitt Romney as governor and Scott Brown as Senator--and believe me, that last one had nothing to do with Obama. I made 100 or so calls to registered Democrats who'd voted Democratic in 2008 to get out the vote, and not one person mentioned his name. They did mention what a "bitch" (god knows why) Martha Coakley was.

Now, if President Obama's name had been on the ballot, I might be taking a lot of these woe-is-us analyses more seriously. As it is, that the results of a low-turnout local election are being applied solely to the President is ridiculous. Local elections have a lot of internal factors that have nothing to do with national issues. The only one into which Obama played is the Israel question, and believe me, the Hassidic and ultra-Orthodox Jews in that district do NOT represent the Jewish community as a whole in this nation. But you have to count in factors like Weinergate itself (would he even have won his own district? Who knows?), disgust at the way the Democratic candidate (who didn't even live in the district) was named, misleading ads and Koch telephones, the vastly changing demographics, etc.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Jim Lane]

30. Its PVI is D+5, so it has a definite Democratic lean

Newsmax said it was the deepest of deep blue, which of course is a lie advanced to support the right-wing agenda. Nevertheless, it's more Democratic than Republican. (The Partisan Voting Index measures a district's tendency to go Democratic or Republican in recent presidential elections, as compared with the rest of the country. A PVI of D+5 means that Kerry and Obama did, on average, five percentage points better in this district than nationwide.)

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