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SadPanda Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:13 PM
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About Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan
Obama advocated a draw-down in Iraq. He also proposed an escalation of our war in Afghanistan. He said this dozens of times during the 2008 election.

EXACTLY what he did after his election. A policy that has has worked in some ways and not worked in others. But by extension, that policy was ADVERTISED during the 2008 election. Openly. He has followed through on his beliefs. May I add, those beliefs are mostly sound. I'll let you all argue over the policy. But the truth is, he NEVER lied about Afghanistan. Or the Afghan war. What you heard is what you got.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:15 PM
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1. Bullshit.
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SadPanda Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:17 PM
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2. Here ya go....
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:21 PM
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3. How many more do you want.
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SadPanda Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:27 PM
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6. Like I said, the policy of escalation in Afghanistan was well advertised...
I'll let you guys argue over its results. Even about what that video means. But I will comment, that video is of some guy standing in front of a mud hut that does not look like it has been bombed. Anyways, I'll post another link of Obama talking about Afghanistan before his election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpCBpTbEds
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:36 PM
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8. "some guy standing in front of a mud hut that does not look like it has been bombed"
This is not real either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSSWpp9biNg

I played your clip in the backgoround. I didn't hear him promise this.

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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:22 PM
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4. K&R
Those who paid attention know you are telling the truth.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:24 PM
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5. Tell me. Do you support the war or do you support it because he escalated it?
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SadPanda Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:30 PM
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7. We voted for it
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:41 PM
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9. You're making a good argument not to vote for him.
However, nobody voted for this:

2009February 12, 2009 – Australian special forces soldiers killed 5 Afghan children in an attack on a compound in the Uruzgan province of southern Afghanistan.<21> It was decided that no charges were to be brought against two Australian soldiers who killed five afghan children.<231>
March 2009 – A Danish smoke grenade that hit a kitchen during the course of fighting with insurgents flung a little girl against a wall, killing her. The Afghan child's death occurred at the start of March during joint military action with British soldiers in the province of Helmand.<232>
April 9, 2009 – American-led military forces killed four civilians – a man, a woman, and two children – as well as an unborn baby in an overnight U.S. raid in the eastern province of Khost. The night raid killed the schoolteacher wife of Afghan National Army artillery commander Awal Khan, his 17-year-old daughter Nadia, his 15-year-old son, Aimal, and his brother, who worked for a government department. Another daughter was wounded. The pregnant wife of Khan's cousin, who lived next door, was shot five times in the abdomen, killing her nine-month-old unborn baby. "The coalition has to stop this cruelty and brutal action," a grieving Khan said. The US-led military initially said four people killed by troops were "armed militants", but later admitted that the people killed and wounded were civilians. International humanitarian organisation CARE said in a statement that the slain schoolteacher had been working at a school that it supports. "CARE strongly condemns the action and demands that international military forces operating in Afghanistan are held accountable for their actions and avoid all attacks on innocent civilians in the country."<85><86>
May 3, 2009 - Italian troops opened fire after a passenger car was driving at high speed and ignored warning signs in western Afghanistan, killing a 12-year-old Afghan girl and wounding three members of her family.<233>
May 4, 2009 – American B-1B bombers killed at least two dozen and possibly as many as 147 Afghan civilians in western Afghanistan in what has been called the Granai airstrike. Local Afghan officials in Farah province collected the names of 147 people that were killed in the airstrike.<100> After the Afghan government's investigation, the Afghan Defense Ministry announced an official death toll of 140 villagers. A government list with the names and ages of each of the 140 killed showed that 93 of those killed were children, while only 22 were adult males.<101> A U.S. military investigation, on the other hand, estimated that 26 civilians were killed, but also admitted in its report that they would never be able to determine precisely how many civilians were killed by the operation. The U.S. military report concluded that at least two airstrikes on buildings should not have been ordered, and called for changes in the U.S. military's rules for using airstrikes as well as retraining. The report was also critical of the military for failing to assess battle damage quickly, and called for the creation of an investigative team that can respond within two hours of a reported incident.<234><235>
Main article: Granai airstrike
May 19, 2009 – In Lashkar Gah, Helmand Province, southern Afghanistan, Gurkhas mentoring police unit of the Royal Gurkha Rifles, called in British air strike after ambush from an suspected enemy position. A British Harrier II aircraft dropped a laser-guided bomb on the suspected enemy compound which turns out to be unarmed Afghan civilians. Eight Afghan civilians were killed as well as the compound being destroyed.<236>
September 4, 2009 – As many as 70-90 people, most of them civilians, were killed in northern Kunduz province by a U.S. airstrike called in by German ISAF troops after militants had hijacked two fuel tankers headed from Tajikistan to supply NATO forces. The hijacked tankers got stuck in the mud by Kunduz River near the village of Omar Khel. According to Taliban spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid, the insurgents opened valves to release fuel and lighten the loads, and villagers swarmed the trucks to collect the fuel despite warnings that they might be hit by an airstrike. According to some Afghan officials, the militants encouraged local people to take advantage of the situation. Word spread quickly and about 500 people from surrounding villages flocked to the trucks. At 2:30 A.M., a U.S. F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jet dropped two 500-pound bombs on the fuel tankers, triggering a huge fireball that incinerated many of the people nearby. Video footage filmed in the morning showed piles of charred bodies lying by the river. An International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) team member and others said it was impossible to know how many people had died, with many bodies possibly having been washed away by the river. According to Afghan police, provincial officials, and doctors, most of those killed were civilians.<237><238><239>
Main article: Kunduz airstrike
September 30, 2009 – The Dutch Defense Ministry said that two Dutch F-16 fighter planes provided air support during what was referred to as "heavy fighting" between British ground troops and the Taliban in Helmand Province. British troops on the ground gave the planes the coordinates of a house from which they were being fired upon. One Dutch F-16 then dropped one precision bomb on the house. "Afterwards it appeared that apart from the Taliban fighters, there were civilians in the house as well. The Taliban had hidden among the civilians," the ministry said. French press agency AFP quoted a local authority saying nine people died, including six children.<240>
December 25, 2009 – Ten Afghan civilians, including 8 students that were children, were killed by U.S.-led forces during a military operation in the Narang district of Kunar province. The governor of Kunar province said the foreign military operation was launched without the knowledge of government officials in the province. On December 31, Afghan President Hamid Karzai stated that according to the investigative commission in Kunar, the victims had been shot dead in their homes by foreign soldiers. The headmaster of the school attended by the children has stated that 7 of the children had been handcuffed prior to being shot.<103> The Afghan president called upon ISAF to hand the soldiers that were responsible over to Afghan authorities – ISAF did not respond.<241><242>
Main article: Narang night raid
December 31, 2009 – At least 8 Afghan villagers were killed by a US airstrike on a house near the provincial capital Lashkar Gah in Helmand province. Two other villagers were also injured by the airstrike.<242>
2009 UN Report – A UN report issued in February 2010 said that of 346 Afghan children killed in 2009, more than half were killed by NATO forces.<243>
2010February 12, 2010 – 5 Afghan civilians including two pregnant women and a teenage girl were killed when US special forces raided a house in Khataba village, outside the city of Gardez where dozens of people had gathered at the home to celebrate the naming of a newborn baby. The U.S troops tried to cover-up evidence of the botched raid and admitted only month later that they had killed the civilians.<244><245><246>
Main article: Khataba raid
February 14, 2010 – 12 Afghan civilians were killed by NATO missiles during a major U.S.-led offensive against insurgents in southern Afghanistan. ISAF admitted responsibility for the civilian deaths, saying that two rockets missed their target and landed on a compound in the Nad Ali district of Helmand province. President Hamid Karzai ordered an investigation into the incident that occurred less than 24 hours after he had again warned foreign troops to take all precautions to protect Afghan civilians. The United Nations meanwhile estimated that 900 families from the town of Marjah were being temporarily sheltered after fleeing their homes ahead of the large-scale military offensive involving over 15,000 troops.<247>
February 15, 2010 – A NATO airstrike killed 5 Afghan civilians and wounded two others in Zhari district, Kandhar, about 23 km west of Kandahar city, after troops patrolling on the ground called in the airstrike. After the airstrike, the patrol "approached the site and determined the individuals had not been emplacing an IED," NATO said in a statement. U.S. Marine Maj.-Gen. Michael Regner, the chief of staff for NATO in Kabul, announced that an investigation would be undertaken "to determine how this happened."<248>
February 21, 2010 – 33 civilians were killed in Uruzgan province in a NATO airstrike on a convoy of vehicles. NATO initially stated that the convoy was thought to have contained Taliban insurgents,<249> however, NATO ground troops arriving after the airstrike found a number of people dead and injured, including women and children.<250> The Afghan governor of the province, Sultan Ali, has stated that all of the dead were civilians, and the Afghan government condemned the attack, calling it "unjustifiable" and "a major obstacle" to effective counter-terrorism efforts.<249> The US and NATO commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, has apologised to Afghan president Hamid Karzai and ordered a full investigation into the incident.<250> In May, the American military released a report blaming the civilian casualties on “inaccurate and unprofessional” reporting by Predator drone operators.<251>
Main article: Uruzgan helicopter attack
April 6, 2010 – French soldiers fired Milan anti-tank missiles on insurgents as well as Afghan civilians in eastern part of Kapisa Province, Afghanistan. Four Afghan civilians were killed. The deaths occurred when both French troops and Afghan security forces came under fire from insurgents and was given the authorisation to fire since there were no civilians visible at the scene of the attack. The investigations also show that while firing missiles at insurgents, they were also Afghan civilians under a tree out of the observer's view.<252>
April 12, 2010 – Three men and one woman were killed with 18 others injured when NATO troops opened fire on a bus in southern Afghanistan.<253>
January–May 2010 – Twelve US soldiers face trial over a secret "kill team" that allegedly killed Afghan civilians at random and collected their fingers as trophies. 5 of the soldiers are charged with murdering 3 Afghan men who were allegedly killed for sport in separate attacks this year. 7 other soldiers are accused of covering up the killings as well as a violent assault on a new recruit who exposed the murders when he reported other abuses, including members of the unit smoking hashish stolen from civilians. The Army Times reported that a least one of the soldiers collected the fingers of the victims as souvenirs and that some of them posed for photographs with the bodies. The Guardian newspaper has described the event as "one of the most serious accusations of war crimes to emerge from the Afghan conflict...".<254> Calvin Gibbs, Jeremy Morlock, Andrew Holmes, Michael Wagnon, and Adam Winfield were first charged with murder in June. In August, the additional charge of conspiracy to commit premeditated murder was added, and seven others were charged with conspiracy or attempting to cover it up.<255> The alleged victims include Gul Mudin, killed sometime in January; Marach Agha, around February 22; and Mullah Adahdad, who died around May 2.<256>
Main article: FOB Ramrod kill team
July 23, 2010 – The Sangin airstrike killed a large number of Afghan civilians many of whom were women and children, in the village of Sangin in Nangarhar province. The Afghani government concluded that 39 civilians were killed. <257>
August 23, 2010 – 8 Afghan civilians were killed and 12 others injured when NATO-led forces raided a residential house in Tala wa Barfak District, Baghlan Province, Afghanistan. 9 civilians were also taken prisoner.<258><259>
October 2010 – The ICRC reports that the number of War casualties in a Kandahar hospital are "hitting record highs". Mirwais Regional Hospital had nearly 1,000 new patients with weapon-related injuries in August and September, what was double the figure a year earlier.<260> Reto Stocker, the Red Cross chief in Kabul, said the casualties being seen at Mirwais hospital were only "the tip of the iceberg".<261> At the same time Georgette Gagnon, Director of Human Rights for United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) announced that casualties inflicted on ordinary people in northern Afghanistan over the past six months this year has doubled compared to the same period last year.<262><263>
October 17, 2010 – U.S. soldier Pfc. David Lawrence walked into Mohebullah prison cell and shot a captured Taliban leader Mullah Mohebullah in the face, killing him. On 25 May 2011, Lawrence was sentenced for premeditated murder of Mullah Mohebullah.<264>
November 11, 2010 – An American soldier shot and killed a Afghan National Police officer in Kandahar, southern Afghanistan.<265>
December 11, 2010 - At least 8 Afghan Civilians were killed in an ISAF Airstrike in Zermatt in Paktia province. Jets attacked in an area where some Afghan workers were working on road construction. <266>
UN Summary of 2010 – According to United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Valerie Amos, Briefing to the Security Council on Protection of Civilians, New York, 10 May 2011, "ilitary operations by pro-Government forces accounted for some 800 civilian casualties." <267>
2011February 2011 – A probe by Afghan government investigators concluded that 65 civilians, including 50 women and children, were killed in a Nato operation in Kunar province. Nato disputed the claim but Obama apologized for the incident.<87><88><268>
February 20, 2011 – A NATO airstrike killed an Afghan family of six in Khogyani, a district in the eastern province of Nangarhar.<269>
March 1, 2011 – U.S. helicopter gunners killed nine Afghan boys ages 7–13 who were collecting firewood. A tenth boy was injured in the attack.<87><270>
March 9, 2011 – German troops opened fire on civilian houses after they were abused by gun fire, killing a civilian women and injuring another one in Chahar Dara District of Kunduz Province, northern Afghanistan.<271>
March 9, 2011 – U.S. special forces killed President's Hamid Karzai cousin Haji Yar Mohammad during a joint NATO and Afghan forces night raid in Kandahar, Afghanistan.<272><273>
March 15, 2011 – Two Afghan brothers, aged 13 and 17, were killed by NATO helicopters while working on road and field drainage. The ground force commander and the air crew were suspended pending an investigation.<274><275>
March 24, 2011 – Two civilians, including a child, were killed by a NATO helicopter gunship in the Tere Zayi district of the northern province of Khost. The attack targeted a Haqqani network leader that was travelling in a vehicle. The two victims were nearby pedestrians.<276>
March 25, 2011 – A RAF Reaper drone remotely controlled from a US Airforce base in Nevada killed four civilians - two women and two children - as well as injuring two others in Naw Zad district of Helmand Province.<277><278>
March 27, 2011 – Australian troops were accused by Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission of killing a civilian mullah and an infant aged 23 months near the village of Sah Zafar. Australian authorities claimed the adult was an insurgent.<279>
March 31, 2011 – NATO troops opened fire after a car with brake failure sped towards a checkpoint, killing two civilians and injuring four others.<280>
April 5, 2011 – NATO-led forces killed six civilians in a night operation in northern Afghanistan.<281>
April 6, 2011 – British troops accidentally killed two Afghan women in a car accident and shot dead a civilian man when an angry crowd attempted to prevent them from leaving.<282>
April 19, 2011 – A NATO airstrike killed three Afghan civilians as well as 14 insurgents in Dangam district of Kunar province, eastern Afghanistan. District governor Hamish Gulab said the civilians were two women and a child who died when a NATO missile hit a gathering of insurgents in a house.<283>
May 3, 2011 – NATO special forces raided a house which killed one Afghan woman and wounded three men, three women, and four children as well as six Taliban militants killed in night operation in Zurmat District of Paktia Province, Afghanistan.<284>
May 11, 2011 – NATO troops killed a 12 year old girl along with her uncle when they accidentally raided the wrong house outside Jalalabad.<285>
May 14, 2011 – NATO apologized for the killing of a 15 year old boy in western Nangahar Province in the Hesarek District.<286>
May 16, 2011 – Fazlullah Wahidi, governor of Kunar, said a group of girls collecting firewood near an insurgent hideout were struck by artillery fired by ISAF troops. A 10-year-old girl was killed and four others were wounded.<287>
May 18, 2011 – Four persons (two female) were killed by NATO forces in Takhar Province. NATO said the four were insurgents but local officials insisted they were civilians. “It was a wrong operation based on wrong intelligence information,” said Shah Jahan Noori, the police chief of Takhar Province. At least a dozen additional people were killed as protesters later fought with police on the streets of Taliqan, the capital of Takhar Province.<288>
May 23, 2011 – A civilian was killed in Musa Qal’ah district, Helmand Province, when both Afghan and coalition forces mistook the flashlight a man was carrying for a weapon.<289>
May 25, 2011 – A Norwegian soldier accidentally fired a grenade into a police building in Faryab Province, killing one civilian and wounding another.<290>
May 26, 2011 – In Maidan Wardak Province, in the Lala Khel area, three civilian farm workers were killed by NATO troops, according to the provincial governor's spokesman.<291>
May 27, 2011 – A NATO bombing in Nuristan Province has reportedly killed numerous Taliban, Afghan policemen, and civilians. Bakhtar News Agency reported a total of 75 people were killed, in a story dated May 27.<292> The news agency is the official state news agency of the Afghan government, based in Kabul. But a later report by Pajhwok News (May 28) put the death figure at 120. "Twenty-two policemen, 20 civilians and 70 Taliban fighters were among the dead, Governor Jamaluddin Badr told Pajhwok Afghan News, quoting a probe into the incidents."<293> NATO denies any civilians were killed. Government officials were dispatching personnel to make a report on the bombing.
May 28, 2011 – A NATO helicopter airstrike hit two homes killing 14 civilians (two women, five girls and seven boys) in Nawzad district. The helicopter was responding to an attack on a US Marine base.<294><295><296><297>
June 20, 2011 – US troops killed one civilian during a night raid on a residential area in Kunduz Province, northern Afghanistan.<298>
June 22, 2011 – An Afghan official said five Afghan civilians were killed by NATO troops during an overnight raid in the southern province of Helmand. Elsewhere, NATO troops also killed two Afghan farmers and injuring two others, including a child, in a southern province of Laqman.<299>
July 5, 2011 – Between 11 and 13 civilians were killed by a NATO airstrike in the province of Khost.<300>
July 6, 2011 – Hundreds of Afghans protested the deaths of two shepherds they say were killed in a NATO air strike. Residents of Khogyani took two bodies to nearby Ghazni City, the provincial capital of Ghazni, southwest of Kabul, where they shouted slogans like "death to foreign troops."<301>
July 11, 2011 – Afghan government officials said ISAF airstrikes killed between 9 and 16 people in the Azra district of Logar Province. An Azra lawmaker said that four of those killed were Taliban militants and the rest were civilians.<302>
July 12, 2011 – Four Afghan civilians were killed in a foreign air strike while fixing a water pump in Asmar district of northeastern Kunar province, Kunar governor Fazlullah Wahidi said.<303>
July 14, 2011 – NATO troops killed six civilians in a night raid of the village of Toora Worai in an area known as Matoon, about seven kilometres from the provincial capital of Khost city. One of the victims was a 11-year-old girl.<304><305>
July 17, 2011 - Afghani officials claimed that a drone bombing killed three civilians in Logar Province, and injured others, including children. The attack was confirmed by the deputy provincial police chief.<306>
July 18, 2011 - Two school employees were killed in a NATO bombing raid in eastern Nangarhar province. <307>
July 21, 2011 - A resident of Wardak Province claimed the ISAF killed three family members of a local cleric. ISAF troops were known to be conducting operations in the area.<308>
July 21, 2011 - NATO troops killed a female maternity doctor along with two family members in the Syedabad district of central Wardak province, the Ghazni Civil Hospital director said. Col. Zarawar Zahid, Ghazni police chief, denounced the incident as shocking. Shahidullah Shahid, the governor’s spokesman, also condemned the killing of Dr. Hekmat and her relatives.<309> ISAF apologized and awarded the family doctor's family $33,000 and three sheep in compensation.<310>
July 26, 2011 - ISAF forces killed three civilians in eastern Kunar Province. Two were high school students gathering firewood. <311>
July 27, 2011 - French troops killed three civilians, including a woman and a child, and wounded four others, in the Nijrab district of eastern Kapisa province when they fired on a car that did not stop as it approached. Also, one child was killed when Afghani police carried out a "controlled" detonation of explosives inside Kandahar city.<312><313>
July 28, 2011 - Investigation continues as to whether Omaid Khpulwak, an Afghan journalist working as a BBC stringer, was killed by ISAF fire. <314>

July 31, 2011 - ISAF command admitted killing an unarmed civilian in Dowlat District, Laghman Province. <315>
August 5, 2011 - Zabul Province police chief Mohammad Nabi Elhaam said angry residents took to the streets after they said three Afghan civilians had been killed during a night raid by ISAF troops. An additional four people were killed during the protests as Afghan police fired into a crowd. ISAF said it had no report of civilian casualties during its opertation.<316>
August 6, 2011 - Afghan police said 8 civilians were killed in Helmand Province by ISAF troops. "The victims of Friday's air strike in Helmand were members of a family that had fled fighting in neighbouring Uruzgan province, police said." A women and six children are among the dead.<317><318>A later account said nine civilians died. Seven of the dead were children from the same family; the mother survived the attack. <319>
August 8, 2011 - Three hundred angry Afghans protested in central Ghazni province carrying the bodies of two people they claimed had been killed during a raid by ISAF troops.<320>
August 26. 2011 - Six Afghani civilians (all members of the same family) were killed in an ISAF air strike in the Baraki Barak district of Logar province, according to a local official. Four insurgents and three Afghan army members were also killed. <321>
August 27, 2011 - Two civilians were killed in Maidan Wardak Province. The incident took place in the Pombai area of Chak district. Locals protested, blocking the Kabul-Kandahar highway. <322}[br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_caused_by_ISAF_and_US_Forces_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#2009

Check that, maybe you did since you're pushing this indefensible bullshit.
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SadPanda Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:48 PM
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10. I honestly doubt you voted for him in the first place... nt
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 08:55 PM
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11. I expect you doubt that guy has nine fingers.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:28 PM
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12. I always supported being in Afghanistan.
Like it or not, I don't care. For the record I never supported Iraq.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 10:24 PM
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13. For all of you who support being in Afghanistan, how about being in
Edited on Wed Aug-31-11 10:25 PM by sad sally
support of a war tax - on each and every US citizen until the day it's paid for.

If you like the idea that the US is there for some benevolent reason or that you're scared of terrorists leaving Afghanistan and sneaking into the US, pay up! Yeah, yeah, I know, Mr. Bush started this war, but if you support President Obama continuing it and like to say it's the "right war," than pay up! Ask for a war tax - on everybody for as long as it takes to pay for.

As FDR put it two days after Pearl Harbor, "We are now in this war. We are all in it-all the way. Every single man, woman, and child is a partner in the most tremendous undertaking of our American history." That must as true of our wars (and deficits) now as it was then.

Don't be a wuss - pay for your damn war!
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