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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 04:15 PM
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Rank these job-creating strategies
Rank these job-creating strategies, 1- most preferred to 4 - least preferred:
  1. Rebuilding America's infrastructure

  2. Ending oil dependency, moving toward efficiency and sustainable energy

  3. Fundamentally rewrite trade policies to ensure that American products, not jobs are exported

  4. Manufacturing tax credit

Source for first three and for the fourth.
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vroomvroom Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 04:47 PM
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1. No Tax Cuts? But Obama and Republicans say THAT is how you create Jobs.
This list is not credible and should be thrown out.

:sarcasm:
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boxman15 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 05:58 PM
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5. When, exactly, did Obama say that? nt
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 04:47 PM
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2. Infrastructer is the only quick solution
1 Rebuilding America's infrastructure - the the most the quickest and best way toward creating jobs. There are thousands of bridges,highway, roads, sewage systems, freshwater systems that desperately need repairs.

2. Ending oil dependency, moving toward efficiency and sustainable energy - There is no silver bullet device to replace oil. Wind Power works in places, Solar power in others. But these work only in a few ways unless you talk about rebuilding the gasoline infrastructure with massive development of public transpiration and the re-engineering of cities. A lot of this is research and won't create a lot of jobs in early stages.

3. Fundamentally rewrite trade policies to ensure that American products, not jobs are exported - Rewriting trade policies is easy, but it is quite difficult to actually make companies do this. I don't see this as more than a minor part, at best.

4. Manufacturing tax credit - I don't think this will help at all. It would have to be high enough to convince manufacturers not to use cheap labor in foreign countries. Raising corporate taxes, so that it is cheaper to increase labor that they can right off is better. But I don't think Tax credits have a real role to play.

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 04:54 PM
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3. I'd say you have them in the right order already
...and I hope it gets done!

The one thing not on the list may be out of WH hands, but if you compare private sector job growth to public sector job losses over the past few months - I think if the funds for public sector employment were there, the pickup would be immediate.
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boxman15 Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 05:58 PM
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4. .
1. Infrastructure (it can be done quickly)
2. Rewrite trade policy
3. Ending oil dependency
4. Manufacturing tax credit

All 4 should be done though.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-11 08:34 PM
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6. None of them, if the GOP gets within 50 miles of them
The Republicans have a three-step process for fucking up any job-creating initiative:

Step 1: Cram the bill full of tax cuts. According to Republican dogma, any economic stimulus program must contain at least 50 percent tax cuts. More is better.
Step 2: Call the Democrats "job destroyers" if they won't go along with the tax cuts.
Step 3: When the tax cuts don't work, blame the Democrats for not making the bill entirely tax cuts.

But if you can restrain the Republicans long enough to put through a workable bill, you've got them in the right order already.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 02:45 AM
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7. How many "infrastructure" jobs do you envision?
14,000,000 people out of work. How many of them are of the type to work at "infrastructure rebuilding"? Climb high poles, shovel hot asphalt, buck steel rivets, climb down into sewers, weld aging natural gas piping... How may of the 14,000,000 could you put to work doing such things for even a single day?

Let's just pull a number out of our ass here and speculate for a minute, shall we? Say by some miracle you were able to put 8,000,000 of them to work tomorrow in "shovel ready" jobs. What happens to them when the job is done?

Consider this: It might 500 people to build/rebuild a bridge, but only a handful to maintain it once it's finished.

So how many will this "infrastructure rebuild" employ, and for how long?

That's a direct question. It deserves a numeric answer of some kind.

Remember... when you answer this, IF you answer this, use NUMBERS and NOT links. Make me proud.
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MJJP21 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 05:56 AM
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8. #3 is #1
Fundamentally rewrite trade policies to ensure that American products, not jobs are exported

Rebuilding America's infrastructure
It sounds good but is unlikely to create jobs as it did in the past since most work is accumplished with heavy equipement. Any other job is highly skilled and takes years to master and no one is going to move their family for a 6 month job.


Ending oil dependency, moving toward efficiency and sustainable energy
This is only accomplished throuhg the free market system. Even if we were to discover huge amounts of oil international companies control where it goes at the best price. There is no other fuel as convenient and efficient as oil and gas.


Manufacturing tax credit
A better idea is to impose tarriffs on imported products . That is what the founding fathers would have done to protect our interests. A better solution is to force the govt to buy American made products and if none exists to award companies exclusive contracts to produce here.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-11 12:15 PM
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9. Increase taxes on dividends and captial gains derived
from and based on jobs not in the USA.
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