Politicususa: Democrats, It’s Time To Stop Bashing President Obama

[Tx4obama]

How about a different strategy like support???

I don’t believe in bashing President Obama in the media because it only hurts him, the party and the country in the long run. Let your voices be heard but direct them to him and not those who will use it against him. I respect Bill Maher because he says what’s on his mind and he doesn’t care what anyone thinks. But he’s been from the beginning highly critical of Obama and it’s made a big difference in the President’s base of support. One of the major things the GOP, including the Tea Party, has going for them in terms of power is, that they stick together no matter what.

They stuck together even when it meant taking down the world economy. We have a decent, intelligent man of integrity in the White House and he often gets criticized for being so. He’s been called weak and too nice and told that he caves all the time. Has anyone ever assessed what he’s truly up against? Has anyone ever wondered what information he has access to that we don’t? It would be enough to be a Democratic president in these difficult times, but to be an African American president has been deemed as something downright evil by the GOP!

No one has wanted to really address the obvious racism that’s been taking place since the President took office. Everyone downplays it, including President Barack Obama himself. The death threats alone must be awful. My point is, the reason they were able to hold a gun to his head in this congressional made debt crisis is because the DEMS and Independents stayed home at the midterms, or were unenthusiastic about their support or were in hard times struggling and scared so they voted for these Tea Party nutbags and bigots that are now holding our livelihood hostage.

Rest of article here: http://www.politicususa.com/en/stop-obama-bashing

[LaydeeBug]

1. Great!! When's HE going to support DEMOCRATIC Principles rather than Republican ones?

as soon as he does, I'm in. Until then....


I'll wait.

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[Dad Infinitum]

38. What is it with your Clinton obsession?

Clinton is irrelevant in the present situation.

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[Dawgs]

58. LOL!!!! n/t

[Ikonoklast]

69. Clinton is the REASON we are in the 'present situation'.

Think about it.

[LaydeeBug]

63. Barack Obama is to the right of Bill Clinton, who hasn't been in office for MORE THAN A DECADE.

Clinton isn't in office....could you address Obama and not a retired statesman?

Funny how all you got is to attack me for Obama's shortcoming's, and then try to project them onto a man who hasn't been in office for MORE THAN A DECADE.

Project much? :rofl:

[jamieque]

29. Interesting...

NOT!!! Here is the answer to your little ignorant question... WHEN THE PEOPLE VOTE SOME MORE DEMOCRATS INTO OFFICE AND VOTE THE FUCKING REPUBLICANS OUT OF POWER. If that doesn't happened then it is the fault of not the president but the PEOPLE for allowing this corruption to go on. If you intend to wait then you'll end up with more Republicans. The key to fixing the problems in this country is for all the people to do their part and vote correctly. Otherwise, we might as well give up right here and now...

In other words... UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL... Pity, there doesn't seem to be much unity at the moment. All I see is division.

[LaydeeBug]

61. Charming

NOT!!! Here's a little rebuttal to your bullshit "blame the victim" diatribe. WHEN WE HAD 60 in the Senate AND CONTROLLED THE HOUSE, he STILL couldn't get it done

I try not to blame the victim for the abuse of that man we hired. He needs to do *his* god damned job.

In other words... UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL... Pity that our president seems HELL BENT on knocking us down.

PEOPLE CLAIMING THE MORAL HIGH GROUND SHOULD NOT BE STANDING ON A STACK OF BULLSHIT WHEN THEY DO IT.

[Hawkowl]

41. +1000

Until he does, he has no chance of winning in 2012.

[vroomvroom]

45. +10,000

[primavera]

49. Not to put too fine a point on it...

... but weren't you just bashing me in another thread for asking this sort of question?

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[rury]

67. Read the OP and get your brain in gear and understand WHY he is

forced to compromise.
If Democrats had gotten out and voted in 2010 like they did 2008, we would not be in this mess!!!

[CakeGrrl]

2. This isn't going to be well-received around here for a while, I think.

Cue the "he needs to EARN our vote" posts.

[Armstead]

10. Cue the sound of bliond partisans -- "Nyah,Nyah I've got my fingers in my ears"

The only thing more predictable than us "whiners" are the cheerleaders who just can't stand differences

[jaxx]

3. Excellent article.

Everyone should read it.

K&R

[AndyTiedye]

5. k/r

[Armstead]

6. President Obama, It's time to stop bashing your base

[jamieque]

31. Sorry...

but all you are saying is wrong. You only think that way because you don't understand. I guess it is true when they say ignorance is bliss. I will admit even I have my doubts but if there is one thing I don't doubt... I DON'T DOUBT THE PRESIDENT OR MY CHOICE TO VOTE FOR HIM. Obviously, you doubt your past choice otherwise you wouldn't be so damn vocal about bashing our president.

Whether you like him or not he is YOUR PRESIDENT and you have no right to be so fucking disrespectful to him. His job is hard enough as it is. Perhaps maybe helping him out would be a better idea then trash talking him into the ground. But feel free to keep being ignorant like so many others seem to be. You will probably spout some reply to this comment that goes along the lines of having the right to do whatever and that I am just being a loyal blind Obama fan or something along those lines. Well, go right ahead and say whatever you want. Be my guess.

[BklnDem75]

7. Supporting Democrats....

That's actually brilliant! We should all do this!

[Armstead]

8. I agree -- I wish the Democrats in Washington would actually do that

[FrenchieCat]

9. Yep...cause that other strategy of being too cowardly for us to dog out the Republicans,

while seeming courageous only enough to point the finger at this President,
is getting tired, and ain't gonna work in helping us get anywhere other than
where we "say" we don't want to go.

[Armstead]

11. Republicans suck. They're awful and they're ruining the country

Happy?

How about looking at how the Democrats might do their jobs better, and perhaps stop handing the damn country over to those awful Republicans and the Corporate Oligarchs so easily.

[boxman15]

13. Even if that were true (which it's not),

why not focus on getting liberals into Congress? The more there are, the less influence the GOP has.

[Armstead]

14. Who says they are mutually exclusive?

Sure, if it makes you satisfied to hear the blatantly obvious -- Gosh we really need more progressives in Congress, and I'll do what I can to support that goal.

It is possible to walk and chew gum simultaneously.

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[Armstead]

23. Yeah whatever....

"Support our President blindly and be silent or you're a coward and a Republican tool."

Same old, same old

[Bluenorthwest]

28. The personal attack on the other poster is really tacky

Amazing. Rude, unmitigated nasty.

[Bluenorthwest]

27. Why does the President not 'dog out' the Republicans

He says 'they are honest brokers' and 'we need their good ideas at the table' and 'we must be bipartisan'.
How in the hell do the people 'dog out' the Republicans while the President is humping their leg?

[Cosmocat]

77. NO - better to line up with republicans in putting bullets

into our democratic president.

You want more progressive governance, go after the actual bad guys.

You know, the ...

REPUBLICANS ...

But, sure, get in line WITH the republicans and call Obama weak, which interestingly, is what they call him ...

[boxman15]

12. NO! I HAVE A NARRATIVE TO STICK TO!

Obama is a corporatist, sellout, stealth Tea Partier who wants to destroy AMERICA! The only solution is a primary! SANDERS/KUCINICH 2012!!!!!

I'm seriously sick of this toxic atmosphere the left has built for itself. It's self-destructive. I don't agree with everything the president has done, especially with regards to messaging and foreign policy, but he's done a hell of a lot of good and has passed more progressive legislation than any president in decades. I am extremely grateful for all the good he's done for the country, and it's still refreshing to have a calm, pragmatic head in the Oval Office.

If you take an all or nothing approach, you'll get nothing. The president knows this. Unfortunately, many on the left fail to realize this and take a purist approach, which is completely impractical. I have tremendous respect for all he's done, and and I will vote enthusiastically for him in 2012. A primary (which isn't happening, sorry purists) would ensure a Republican government (including a 7-2 Supreme Court). That'll make everything better, right?

I always here many people say "why should I vote for Obama? He's a Republican anyway!" Do you want to know what it would be like to have a Democratic president no better than a Republican? Vote in a purist to the White House. Nothing would get done. Nothing would change because compromise would be impossible. It'd be no different than having a Republican because the status quo is still in place.

Vote liberals to Congress in 2012. That's how progress is made.

[Armstead]

15. Yes, you do. /nt

[flamingdem]

16. At a minimum people should consider the torture implied by 4 years of Mittens!

:puke:

[eridani]

17. Moi? Since when is bashing his constant Republican MESSAGING "bashing" him? n/t

[JimDandy]

22. Yeah, what you said plus 100. n/t

[Vattel]

18. The problem is that there isn't enough complaining

about some of the conservative policies embraced by the President and most Democrats in Congress. The media focuses on silly shit. "Did Obama seem tired at the Press conference?" "Is he too nice?" "If he had just tried harder, would he have got the votes in the Senate?" Fuck that. I want people to complain loudly about militarism, and excessive deportation, and killing innocent bystanders in war, and marriage inequality, and economic injustice, etc. Hell, I want people to complain about stuff that almost no one in the media is even mentioning. People should complain that criminal statutes such as the War Crimes Act and the Torture Act have not been strengthened so as to unambiguously prohibit harsh interrogation techniques. People should complain about the injustice of excessive punishments imposed by our criminal justice system. People should complain about the fact that in this alleged democracy, we don't even know if the current DOJ holds the view, championed by Bush's DOJ, that the President has the authority to violate any and all federal laws for the sake of national security. People should complain that we get talking points and bullshit rhetoric from the Whitehouse about why we are in Afghanistan, but no serious attempt at justification. People should complain about the fact that while our second amendment rights have been strengthened by recent court decisions, our fourth and fifth amendment rights continue to be weakened. Dissent is vital. Keep complaining.

[babylonsister]

19. Wow. You sure have your issues with this President. Now, how

about give us a list of your issues with the other (2) parties?

I can't wait.

And give that thought equal time on DU! :thumbsup:

[Vattel]

24. I would hope that you share at least some of my concerns,

I know you were just being snarky in asking for a list of my issues with the other parties, but I will say something about the Republican Party. Believe it or not, I think they are far, far, worse than the Democrats. They don't think we should do anything at all to address climate change, they want to extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich, they want to destroy Medicare and Social Security, many of them would prohibit gays and lesbians from serving in the military, they don't want the minimum wage to go up, they generally fight against wilderness protection, they are willing to hold the economy hostage to get what they want, etc.

[JoeyT]

21. He still pushing Free Trade Agreements?

Tell him to stop sucking and I'll stop bashing him.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. When any person says I should not have rights equal to his

That person with the prejudice is the person who is basing millions of Americans for existing. Dogmatic bigotry is bashing, holding good people to double standards in law over some delusion of angels is bashing.
Criticism of a policy is called 'a citizen's duty'. A politician announcing that only some people are 'Sanctified by God' and others are not, that is bashing. The bashing of the sort that is reflected in the law.
The President is wrong to be opposed to equal rights for minorities he does not like. Say he's right all day, he is still wrong as wrong can be, and also accountable for that wrong headed, ignorant policy.

[johnaries]

56. WHAT are you talking about?

[RBInMaine]

26. 2008-2010 = THE MOST PROGRESSIVE ERA IN U.S. POLITICS SINCE LBJ !!

[Hawkowl]

42. Bullshit.

Absolute fucking bullshit. Not even worth citing examples.

[Cosmocat]

78. LOL ...

Of course, pouty outrage vs reality ...

[_ed_]

30. People who bash Obama are crazy

It's not like he:
- escalated Afghanistan
- escalated Iraq
- started a war in Yemen
- started another war in Libya
- doubled down on Bush tax cuts
- hasn't ended Gitmo
- claims the power to assassinate American citizens with no due process
- helped create an extra-legal super congress to subvert our right to vote for our representatives
- appointed Tim Geithner (R)
- kept Bob Gates for years (R)
- appointed Larry Summers
- is going after medical marijuana and escalating the drug war

and on and on and on...

[jamieque]

33. Oh please...

knock off the sarcasm. And you are right... people who bash Obama are somewhat crazy and I guess you just insulted yourself because your comments sound crazy. If you want to blame Obama for something then I can only find one flaw in him. That flaw is his faith in many of his so-called supporters who have turned their back on him when he needs them the most. The way I look at it we don't deserve a president with his heart. We deserve to have a shitty president because we don't care about saving our country. If we truly cared we would stop fighting like fucking children and unite but I guess that is asking for too much...

I pray I am wrong but so far it seems like I have struck the nail on the head... But you go ahead and keep blaming the president like so many others keep doing. Just keep wasting precious time we need to use for more constructive things like... oh, I don't know... hmmm SAVING THE FUCKING COUNTRY. But that isn't important to you because you just want to tear the president down. Anyone who gets pleasure from doing what you and so many others are doing are despicable cowards without a shred of diginity or common sense.

[Tx4obama]

43. +100. Well said! n/t

[Fire1]

47. DAMN!! Slam dunk!! n/t

[primavera]

52. So what are you saying?

That the president is infallible? That, even when s/he does err, s/he should never be criticized?

If attempting to participate in democracy and express one's values and opinions to one's elected officials and fellow citizens constitutes "fighting like fucking children," then what sort of conduct would you deem appropriate? Should we all just shut up, go back to watching TV, and trust that our beloved leaders will always act in our best interests? That sounds a bit more like autocracy than democracy to me.

[a simple pattern]

70. You're right of course!

I'm going to go undo that shitty debt ceiling deal and end those Obama-Bush tax cuts right fucking now!
Or do you think I should renegotiate NAFTA first? I would hate to waste any precious time.

[uponit7771]

72. +1000

[Tx4obama]

40. You comment has many errors

- escalated Afghanistan (just like he SAID he would SEVERAL times during the 2008 campaign. So, you are knocking Obama for doing what he said he would do?)

- escalated Iraq (Wrong. Combat troops have been brought home from Iraq, and the total number of troops now in Iraq are lower than ever)

- started another war in Libya (the USA did NOT start a war in Libya. The the Libyans and Rebels started their own war. The USA is participating in a 'no fly zone' mission which the people of Libya requested the UN to enact)

- doubled down on Bush tax cuts (only because the GOP held the Unemployment Benefit Extension HOSTAGE!)

- hasn't ended Gitmo (it was CONGRESS that voted to defund the moving of the GITMO detainees, and it was CONGRESS that voted to make it illegal for Obama to move the detainees to the USA)

- helped create an extra-legal super congress to subvert our right to vote for our representatives (no one has subverted your right to vote for your representatives. The super committee will make cut recommendations BUT the FULL Congress will still be VOTING on the cuts)

p.s. Perhaps if you were to post a FACTUAL comment, then it would be taken more seriously. As it it now, your comment is just full of BS. Have a great weekend.

[Dawgs]

59. Interesting how you cheerleaders always ignore all of the center right appointments.

Any liberals in the WH yet, didn't think so.

[uponit7771]

73. Not more than bashers ignore effects of crazy congress on POTUS decisions.

[Constantinno]

32. Article written by "Fran Joy," whose archive shows he praises Obama 100% of the time

Not 95%, not 85%.

100%.

Is that normal? http://www.politicususa.com/en/author/joy50

[jamieque]

34. Well...

that is his right to do. I support the president. Is there something wrong with doing that? Nope.

[Inuca]

35. Great T-shirt!

Not related to your rather silly question, but by clicking on your link I saw an add for what I think it's a great text for a T-shirt. The link goes here http://www.bant-shirts.com/your-country-t-shirt.htm for anybody interested an dthe text saya "You want your country BACK? I want my country FORWARD!".

[rug]

36. How about a different strategy like changing some policies???

[krispos42]

37. When Repubes give their virtually unconditional support to an Repube politician...

...the Repube politician sees it as an opportunity to go as far to the right as he wants.


When Dems give their virtually unconditional support to a Dem politician...

... the Dem politician sees it as an opportunity to go as far to the right as he wants.



THAT is the fundamental problem

[ClarkUSA]

39. Dear PoliticusUSA: Sorry, but PUMAs and Koch Bros. astroturf live to bash Pres. Obama 24/7

They will everything they can in the next 15 months to play divide-and-conquer while attacking President Obama on the thinnest of pretexts out of spite and hatred for the man.

Don't forget what the acronym PUMA stands for.

~ ClarkUSA, one of the huge majority of self-identified liberals who have always approved of Pres. Obama's job performance

[Cobalt-60]

44. I'll be forced to vote for him - that better be enough

I don't send money or volunteer time to fascist sympathizers.
They must have positioned this guy for years to step in at a critical hour
and take a dive.
Never in my life have I been so disappointed with a Democrat.
Once the next fascist attempt on the white house has been defeated, I'll be in the market for a new party.
Or a revolution.

[William769]

46. It's time for President Obama to stop capitulating to Republicans.

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[TheKentuckian]

50. What kind of idiot openly demands people support policies that are bad for them and their country

to support a politician and what would such support purchase other than more of the policy seen as bad for the voter and the country?

Then we are told "look at the Republicans, they stick together no matter what", while forgetting that the very same tendency has proven toxic for the country even if it works to empower their politicians and are told to replicate this stunning logic we only ends in real self betrayal and putting the interests of the wealthy elites literally ahead of what is beneficial for the people and our nation.

The OP is dangerously wrongheaded and is more loyal to political operatives than their country. Poor policy should be rejected no matter who pushes it.
I suggest the writer of the article pick a team for the upcoming NFL season so they can apply their misguided views in their proper setting and leave politics to those with actual aims and vision.

Rah fucking rah, what a dumbass, a dangerous dumbass that leads to the death of democracy to the sound of thunderous applause.

[William769]

53. "The OP is dangerously wrongheaded and is more loyal to political operatives than their country."

That seems to be the theme for this Century so far.

[Dawgs]

60. Best response ever. n/t

[MNBrewer]

54. and of course, to YOU, bashing = any criticism on policy matters.

RIGHT?

[Tx4obama]

57. I did not 'write' the OP article. Why are you trying to make this personal? n/t

[Creideiki]

55. Well, golly gee whilickers, Batman! If politicsusa says it, I guess we need to never, ever, ever

criticize a Democratic President for anything ever again!

After all, it's all about the red-blue summer camp color war!

[Hotler]

64. Call me when the president finds his spine. Call me when..

he is on record for telling the repugs to go fuck themselves.

[primavera]

65. So when is it time to critically assess the president's performance?

Is it your contention that, no matter what decisions a president makes, they should never be subject to question? If not, then when, in your opinion, IS the appropriate time for engaging in thoughtful evaluation of a president's track record? Let me know and I can come back then.

[rury]

66. Damn straight...it's PAST time to support him

rather than bash him!!!!

[GSLevel9]

68. he receives support when he deserves it... and opposition when he doesn't. nt

[politicasista]

71. What about Dems that defend Obama, yet get berated

by some of his staunchest supporters here and elsewhere? :shrug: Not talking about anyone, just and observation.

[Mimosa]

74. Tea Partiers do stick together, lie together, no matter what

The idea of being stupid, like them, doesn't thrill me. :7

[Cosmocat]

79. Sure, better to JOIN them ...

cause, their main cause is to down this president ...

[Recursion]

75. I have to call bullshit on a primary claim of that article

One of the major things the GOP, including the Tea Party, has going for them in terms of power is, that they stick together no matter what.

No, no they didn't. Free Republic is screaming even louder about Boehner's betrayal of them than we are about Obama. The Democratic party is having a fight; the Republican party is having a knives-out gang war.

[Cosmocat]

80. I hate to tell you this ...

but, there is one thing they and half the people on this board are on the same page ...

And, it ain't progressive government ...

They, 100 percent and totally in line, hate this president and want to take him down ... Sadly, half the people on this board on the same page as they are ...

[Skittles]

76. ridiculous

I DO NOT SUPPORT WHAT OBAMA IS DOING - no amount of this STICK TOGETHER RAH RAH SHIT matters if he's ACTING LIKE A REPUKE