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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:58 PM
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What exactly is the President willing to cut out of the defense budget?
Defense spending is one of the most difficult to get anybody's arms around, considering there hasn't been a clean audit in over 20 years of what they do with the piles and piles and piles and piles of taxpayer money they get. To hear President Obama say defense cuts are going to happen while the US is pressuring both Iraq and Afghanistan to keep large numbers of US troops in their Countries past the dates agreed to, and is expanding it's military reach into northern Africa, it makes statements about cuts questionable.

Tom Engelhardt's article "Lowering America's War Ceiling? Imperial Psychosis on Display" in today's SmirkingChimp is a worthwhile read if you've ever had doubts about all the cash spent on current wars.

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If, in Washington, people were rushing for those exits, no chance of that in Kabul almost a decade into America’s second Afghan War. There, the air strikes, night raids, assassinations, roadside bombs, and soldier and civilian deaths, we are assured, will continue to 2014 and beyond. In a war in which every gallon of gas used by a fuel-guzzling U.S. military costs $400 to $800 to import, time is no object and -- despite the panic in Washington over debt payments -- neither evidently is cost.

In Iraq, meanwhile, in year eight of America’s armed involvement, U.S. officials are still wangling to keep significant numbers of American troops stationed there beyond an agreed end-of-2011 withdrawal date. And the State Department is preparing to hire a small army of 5,000-odd armed mercenaries (with their own mini-air force) to keep the American “mission” in that country humming along to the tune of billions of dollars.

In Libya, the American/NATO war effort, once imagined as a brief spasm of shock-‘n’-awe firepower that would oust autocrat Muammar Gaddafi in a nanosecond, is now in its fifth month with neither an end nor a serious reassessment in sight, and no mention of costs there either. In Yemen and Somalia, the drones, CIA and military, are being sent in, and special operations forces built up, while in the region a new base is being constructed and older ones expanded in the never-ending war against al-Qaeda, its affiliates, wannabes, and any other nasties around. (At the same time, the Obama administration is leaking information that the original al-Qaeda teeters at the edge of defeat, even as it intensifies the CIA’s drone war in the Pakistani tribal borderlands.) And further expansion of the war on terror -- watch out, al-Qaeda in North Africa! -- seems to be a given.

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In little of the reporting on this was it apparent that Obama’s $400 billion in Pentagon “cuts” are not cuts at all -- not unless you consider an obese person, who continues eating at the same level but reduces his dreams of ever grander future repasts, to be on a diet. The “cuts” in the White House proposal, that is, will only be from projected future Pentagon growth rates. Nor were the “savings” of up to one trillion dollars over a decade being projected by Senator Harry Reid as part of his deficit-reduction plan cuts either, not in the usual sense anyway. They are expected savings based largely on the prospective winding down of America's wars and, like so much funny money, could evaporate with the morning dew. (In his last minute deal with John Boehner, President Obama's Pentagon "savings" have, in fact, been reduced to a provisional $350 billion over 10 years.)

So here’s a question at a moment when financial mania has Washington by the throat: How would you define the state of mind of our war-makers, who are carrying on as if trillion-dollar wars were an American birthright, as if the only sensible role for the United States was to eternally police the planet, and as if garrisoning U.S. troops, corporate mercenaries, and special operations forces in scores and scores of countries was the essence of life as it should be lived on this planet?

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/tom-engelhardt/37656/lowering-americas-war-ceiling-imperial-psychosis-on-display?du
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larkrake Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 05:05 PM
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1. 10K ashtrays
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 05:14 PM
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2. Unless it's part of a trade deal, made by children somewhere, working for 2 cents a day
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:17 AM
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3. Well, before he left, Gates recommended cutting soldier pay, IIRC
Obviously, we can't touch all those needlessly expensive weapons programs or start reducing the nuclear arsenal, or anything substantive like that. They pay too much in "campaign contributions" to Congress.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 09:19 AM
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4. Not drones.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 12:42 PM
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5. Not as in quit using as weapons of unintended destruction against innocent victims,
or not as in don't cut budget of predator drones?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 04:39 PM
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6. Ah, as in he would not cut a weapon he has found such use for.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 04:48 PM
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9. And drones only cost $4.5 million each. Such a deal!
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 04:42 PM
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7. close more bases.. like Japan and Germany...
stop building expensive unnecessary new weapon systems and get out of Iraq.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 04:43 PM
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8. I love threads like this. The silence is deafening. nt
Edited on Wed Aug-03-11 04:44 PM by BlueIris
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 05:24 PM
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10. Nothing much that would make the Pentagon cry.
No crying at all. They're probably trying very hard not to smile.

Debt deal in line with DoD budget expectations

By Kate Brannen - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Aug 1, 2011 17:40:50 EDT

The new debt deal reached over the weekend by the White House and congressional leaders does little to change industry’s expectations for defense spending.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/08/defense-spending-expectations-largely-unchanged-by-debt-deal-080111/
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-11 05:27 PM
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11. Food For The Troops....
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