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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:07 PM Original message |
14th Amendment. 14th Amendment!!!! |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Where does the 14th amendment give the president the power |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It doesn't. |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I believe the expenditures relating to the increased debt ceiling have |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Actually, it doesn't say anything about honoring debt. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
35. If something has to be done |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. The president can't accrue more debt to pay these expenditures |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The 14th Amendment requires to US to pay its bills. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. if in fact the legislative branch is constitutionally required to raise the debt ceiling |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. No, it does not. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. we didn't always have a debt ceiling |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. We've always had a debt ceiling |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. The Founders didn't draft the 14th Amendment. nt. |
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TBMASE (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. And the 14th amendment doesn't give the president power to borrow money |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Enrique says we didn't always have a debt ceiling |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. we didnt always have a statutory debt ceiling |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Text in question. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I'm not seeing anything there about the Executive branch... |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Congress has written law that calls for expenditures. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Where are you reading that? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Existing debt. Existing debt!! Not more debt!!! nt |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. I don't understand what you mean. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. 14A says debt (as in debt that exists) shall not be questioned - not "borrow infinitely" |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Got it. Thank you very much. NT |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. Clyburn just recommended using it on MSNBC right now nt |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
38. Clyburn is very irresponsible |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
8. I only take the Constitution literally, it's not living |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Guess only men are created equal then huh? |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. Obama said no! Obama said no! |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. You put an exclamation point at the end of your comment. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. not definitively |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. Obama doesn't have it in him to invoke the 14th amendment |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Plus, he really wants those cuts to social programs. nt |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. The Constitution set up a system where power shared by the |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Really. Or maybe he realizes that because of the uncertainty surrounding that approach |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. Read post # 39. You need to step back from your Obama hate & get the facts. n/t |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. If he uses the 14th Amendment he loses in 2012 |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Why would he lose? nt |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Nonsense! It would be the will of the people not to touch social programs. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. Nope, not time to do it unitl the bills need to be paid, some time on or after Aug. 2. |
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alpha9161 (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. dont give the tea party more ammo nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
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Proles (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
31. Hear hear! nt |
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gopbasher12 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
34. Agreed but he won't do it.Obama is cautious. |
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Morizovich (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
37. He won't use it |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
39. There is nothing in the 14th Amendment that gives the |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I was just reading it |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
40. Just what we need |
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recadna (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I agree |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. My bad. Asking a president to exert power... |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Not your bad. His name is not georgedoubleyoubu$h so... |
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