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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:22 AM Original message |
Sadly being the first African American President is not the only "first" President Obama can claim |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. Your source for this? |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Which instance in the OP's list do you suspect occurred during Lincoln's time? n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Oh, the whole death threat thing, |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Actually, Lincoln had to sneak into DC because of one specific and credible assassination plot |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. I suggest you read the Sandberg biography again, |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I know history quite well, thank you |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Again, I suggest that you read the Sandberg bio |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. What does Sandburg write that undercuts the OP's point? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Sandburg backs my original contention. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Your original contention doesn't counter the OP's argument |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. LOL!!! n/t |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. That is a depressing list |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
6. "routinely confronted with protestors openly displaying firearms at his events;" |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Booing is not "heckling" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Geez. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Here's a little history for you |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. I see. |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. Exactly . . . And you're welcome. |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
23. What is this... |
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Township75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
7. For the firearms, Ford and Reagan were shot at and shot, respectively. |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. And no doubt you have pictures of Sara Jane Moore, Squeaky Fromme, and John Hinckley ... |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Show me the video of folks standing outside of Reagan/Ford events with weapons... |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You and Bravo are making critical points |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Yes simply put, it is meant to symbolize a menacing threat |
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Township75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. No problem, just look at all the cell phone videos online from the 70s and 80s. |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. No those folks snuck guns in. The symbolism of the menacing threat posed to Obama. . . |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. No one dismissed anything. You disputed the claim that Obama is the first President since JFK ... |
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roxiejules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. Open carry protest is not new per Wikipedia |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Ah, yes - photos of scary black men with guns |
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roxiejules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Nothing of the sorts - who said 'they' were scary? |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Uh-hunh . . . |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. How does this in any way obviate the OP's point? |
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roxiejules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Well, the protesters showed up at the Republican convention in Texas |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Not the same. Not even close. |
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roxiejules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Please explain why it is not even close |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. The OP wasn't arguing that political violence is new |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I think you've completely missed the point |
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rury (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. K&R |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. So true |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
8. Look, I support your effort. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Which claims aren't true? |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
14. Protesters routinely confronted JFK by displaying firearms at events he attended? |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
16. "Open their eyes that they may see" comes to mind. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
18. i like how you have posters with a zeal to shit on anything obama, are complaining about this OP... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. I know it's been unrecommended because the count didn't go up when I recommended it. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. The unrecs are probably because of the lies in the OP. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. Yep! The relationship between those who are denying the OP's list |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Isn't it funny that the same people who accuse the President of some of the most unthinkable motives |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Saddens me deeply. I expect it from wingnuts and Teabaggers, not from intelligent |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I feel the same |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. The ones who accuse the President of some of the most unthinkable things |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
71. But there are no zealots on DU!! A big old post just told me so! |
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Scottybeamer70 (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
25. I've been watching televised presidential events since they |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. What you see are people well outside the safe zone. |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You're really missing the point |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
74. excellent post. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
26. The debt limit claim is not true. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
28. Deleted message |
wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. As a liberal/progressive I would do no such thing, I would however blame idiots . . . |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
29. K&R n/t |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
34. and the first one to be able to take all this shit and still govern as effectively |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. +1000 |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. I only read the first two and stopped because you were wrong on both |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Being "accused of not being born here" and being hounded relentlessly |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Are you the OP's secretary? |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Wow, just wow! |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Indeed |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. That last line is poetry |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. LOL - you certainly did! |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. So "factual" that I am now offering proof of one of the lies |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Booing is not "heckling" |
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my2sense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
42. My sentiments exactly n/t |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
44. First president to cut the major platform of his own party |
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gopbasher12 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
45. Well said. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
51. There'a a lot of creeps out there. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
63. But the GOOD news is .... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
75. Sad but true. n/t |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
78. Thursday morning kick |
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