Meanwhile, Obama's job approval among liberal Democrats remains high - 86%

[UrbScotty]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-approval-center.aspx

[fascisthunter]

1. sure... if they say so

[Hawkowl]

2. As self-identified Dems go the way of the Whigs

Many people are no longer calling themselves Dems. So good luck with that.

[jaxx]

3. That must be the 14% who don't support the Democratic President?

86% approval is big.

[Hawkowl]

13. You missed the point

It is math, and a lot of people have trouble with math. So, if the Democratic Party used to be 100 million people, 86% support would be big. But as it is, the number of people identifying themselves as Democrats has dropped, say to 50 million because people are so disenchanted in Obama they are ashamed to call themselves Democrats, then 86% is actually terrible. This is not a far out argument because it is EXACTLY what has happened, even more so with the Republican party.

So, go ahead and be shocked, when Obama gets one monumental ass-kicking come November 2012. The precursor was 2010--and things were better then.

[jaxx]

17. The disenchanted is a small percentage.

I don't expect to see PBO's ass kicked in 2012. I expect he will win and the country will keep moving forward. People see what the rightwing has done in the states where they took over, and do not want to see that continue. As much as some refuse to see the common sense of it all, common sense will prevail. This is a 2 party country and one of them is hell bent on destroying it.....the GOP is going down.

[Hawkowl]

19. Bipartisanship is a one party system

As Harry Truman said, given the choice between a fake Democrat and a real Republican, the Republican will win every time. THAT is what we are faced with. When the electorate throws up their hands because they can't see a difference between the parties, they stay home, as they did in 2010.

With Obama's relentless emphasis on bipartisanship and working with the Republicans, he blurs the line so much that he has no identity. He didn't win by that much last time. He will need an enormous turnout, and it is just not happening.

[jaxx]

28. This is not Harry Truman's times, nor FDR's or LBJ's.

The rifts are wide and they are doing no one any good. Neither are those who will stay home. President Obama has a huge identity, and it's not going to go away. Choosing to demean him in divisive rhetoric might feel good at the time, but it's entirely counter productive.

[Fearless]

55. +1

[rufus dog]

58. Something to Ponder

As I was trolling Hannity.com yesterday I notice the exact quote about the Whigs, but is was calling out the Repubs for considering any increased taxes.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

64. Link? I haven't seen any information that would support this assertion. n/t

[Hawkowl]

65. Because you haven't looked?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146234/Number-Solidly-Democratic-States-Cut-Half.aspx

"Gallup has documented the decline in Democratic Party affiliation at the national level from its recent peak in 2008 and early 2009. After several years of increasing Democratic affiliation beginning in late 2005, the current political situation
is similar to what it was in the mid-2000s, when the parties were more or less even."

There IS a lot more information on this out there. The trick is, you actually have to get off DU and do some objective reading!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

66. Thanks, smart ass. That was uncalled for. Instead of complaining on a message board

work to elect more progressives!

[Hawkowl]

67. You're right

I apologize for being a smart ass :)

[TheWraith]

4. But of course, some DUers continue to believe we're entirely representative of the Democratic Party.

Instead of a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction. The reality is that DUers--particularly the loudest of us--are mostly either far-left social democrats, or neo-Trotskyites, and we're not representative even of the "liberal" part of the party.

[gateley]

14. +1 I remind myself of that when we're on the Obama's Doooooomed bandwagon --

that we make a relative drop in the bucket in the big picture.

That's probably why Obama doesn't listen to us. :7

[TreasonousBastard]

31. And I repeat-- as one of 33 town Democratic committee members, an active...

Democratic Club member, and having worked on past and present elections around here-- I have NEVER ONCE heard anyone mention DU, leading me to think those oft mentioned "real Democrats" hang out somewhere else.

(If these poll results are to be believed, one would almost think DU is populated primarily with Republicans...)

[Kind of Blue]

53. +1000. Same here.

:thumbsup: Good point to remember when the teeth gnashing and breast beating ramps reaches a frenzied level.

[Drale]

33. Exactly, the good majority of the country

is either neutral or lean only slightly one way or another.

[Wait Wut]

41. Blasphemy!!!

:sarcasm:

I associate with a wide mix of people, from the furthest left hippy to the furthest right teaper, nationwide. Neither the far left nor the far right represent the majority in this country. Even combined they fall far short. What I do notice is the isolation that the far sides of either embraces. Many are truly disgusted by the thought of associating with anyone that doesn’t share their own extremist views. Oddly enough, if they could have decent conversations with others out of their spectrum, they’d find they had much in common.

This is not a Progressive nation. It’s not even a Democratic nation. The majority here does not represent Americans as a whole. No extreme views ever will. At least, not until we can outlaw Conservatives. When we can accomplish that, I’ll join y’all on the far left. Until then, we have a country full of “others” that we need to live and work with.

[joshcryer]

60. What I find crazy is that some of us are far left of the neo-Trots and are more supportive of him.

OK I may be speaking just for myself, but I'm cynical and really, Obama's done better than I ever could've expected in a million years.

[CoffeeCat]

5. Oh please...they always issue these FAKE,

...trumped up polls when Obama backhands the liberals in the face.

What an obvious load of lies that poll is. Gallup, right? The poll
that everyone on DU complained about during past presidential
campaigns for running fake polls and being a tool of the neocons
and the corporatists. LOL!

Nancy Pelosi isn't even happy with Obama, but we're supposed to
believe that liberals overwhelmingly support him.

The lies and the corporate media propaganda are so obvious that they're
laughable.

I can't wait until the next time this happens! Obama will give more tax
breaks to the corporations and widen the wars--and George Gallup will issue
a new poll--suggesting that 100 percent of liberals love Obama. Oh boy!

These polls are nothing more than another sucker punch to the liberals--telling
them to sit down and shut the hell up.

Are we done being treated like we're stupid idiots yet?

[Inuca]

7. Fake?

And how exactly do you know that? Please tell.

[CoffeeCat]

22. What do you want...

You want me to produce pictures of George Gallup discussing his
nefarious polls with the White House?

Come on!

A completely obvious bunk poll is legitimate because I am not privvy
to the conversations between the criminals who disseminate this very
obvious malarkey?

Don't make me laugh.

Anyone who can't see beyond this bullshit just choses not to see it.

[bahrbearian]

27. +1

[Number23]

47. Your post makes no sense at all

These polls are nothing more than another sucker punch to the liberals--telling
them to sit down and shut the hell up.

How is a poll saying that 86% of liberal support Obama a "sucker punch" to liberals?

[CakeGrrl]

49. Apparently if a poll says that a majority of ANYONE likes the President,

it has to be a fake!

Can't you see how much DU generally hates him? How is this forum not the nerve center of the Democratic party/movement?

:crazy:

[INdemo]

6. What do we have to do to convince real Democrats that we

can draft a real progressive to challenge this Republican and win

[Recursion]

12. Well, winning Senate, House, and Governors races would be a start

We aren't doing a great job of that, and as much as everybody loves Dean his funding strategy ensured there would be a lot more moderate/conservative Democrats out there.

[CakeGrrl]

15. Go find, announce, and support this person. -nt

[INdemo]

8. Thats bullshit

[Inuca]

9. Because you do not like it? n/t

[great white snark]

18. It's the DU minority superiority complex.

All Democrats must ridicule Obama. If it happens here it must be widespread. It must be.

Or not.

[polichick]

10. Keep telling yourself that - just like Nov. 2010

[VeryConfused]

37. You are blaming the liberals for the Republican victories?

[polichick]

42. I'm saying it doesn't matter what the polls show if people aren't inspired enought to vote...

A lot of young voters didn't bother - as they usually don't for the midterms - but unless they're inspired they won't vote in 2012 either.

[Fearless]

57. More like "liberals".

[lob1]

11. I guess I don't know how to read that chart, but I don't

see 86% approval rating in there anywhere.

[Inuca]

16. Scroll down in the chart

It actually says 86% aproval among LIBERAL democrats, 76% among moderate dems, and 63% among conservative dems. Also FYI 39% among pure independents and 29% among liberal/moderate republicans 9whatever that exotic kind of bird may be).

[nxylas]

25. You have to scroll down, but it's in there

Way down the list.

[OHdem10]

20. Just which old file did they pull this from???? There has been no

time to run a poll since the bruhaha started.

Media is very good at going to the file stock to
try to sell something. After all this is why
we have polls.

[Inuca]

24. 6/27 to 7/3. You could have

just clicked on the link, you know.

[yodermon]

21. .. and every time this fact gets posted, sub-thread hilarity ensues.

Cognitive dissonance on DU is a sight to behold.

[Speck Tater]

23. Could it be that DU is NOT the Democratic base? Tell me it isn't so!!! nt

[Pisces]

26. Every day sounding more like the Repub base. Makes you wonder.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

29. Latest: June 27 - July 3rd. When did Obama (publicly) put Social Security cuts on the table?

2 days ago - July 6th. ?

[VeryConfused]

38. Never

[ProfessionalLeftist]

40. wrong. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

30. Ooopsie...

Truth wins out. Sorry, haters.

[eridani]

32. Because most liberals who are critical of Obama will never tell that to a pollster

I criticize Obama within the Democratic Party only.

[polichick]

44. Absolutely - and it won't mean votes unless people are inspired.

[Mass]

34. I would say I approve too, because I know how the media deal with poor approval numbers for our

president. They immediately say people want a turn to the right.

This does not mean I do not disagree with things he does.

[dennis4868]

35. of course...

most dems are rational people and are realist knowing what Obama is really up against and that he is not a king and has to have the support of congress to get anything done....then you have PL and people that visit this site....

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. KICKED THIS SHIT UP HIGH!!!! n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. And for those DUers who cheer at the presidents purported "demise," keep in mind...

Gallup also shows that his approval rating is either higher or at par at this point in his presidency than it was for Nixon, Carter, Reagan and Clinton:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx

Further, it looks like the president *still* scores high marks among Jews, blacks, Hispanics, LIBERALS and women.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/politics.aspx

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. Thank You.....

:thumbsup:

[Number23]

50. Fantastic post.

I saw where someone was "listing" all of the groups that are so TERRIBLY disappointed in Obama. He named gays, boomers, women and some other folks. It was very interesting that not one racial minority group was listed, and I honestly believe that some folks are absolutely PISSED about that. Beyond furious that they haven't bullied minorities into abandoning this president and that we are actually looking at the big picture and thinking for ourselves.

I was very tempted to inform this person that this woman was not disappointed in Obama and nor were any women that I knew. Your links prove that my perception is much more in line with reality.

It also appears that globally, Obama's approval numbers are incredibly strong. http://www.gallup.com/poll/146771/Worldwide-Approval-Leadership-Tops-Major-Powers.aspx

[Youth Uprising]

61. *Sigh*

Let's hash this out because I am sick and tired of SOME very vocal African-American Obama supporters insinuating that those of us who are non-black and happen to be disappointed with this president are racists and that we all have some hidden agenda to try to turn minorities against him. I'm also sick and tired of these very same people engaging in actual racism by not only assuming that everyone who is disappointed with Obama is a white racist but also threatening that black voters will turn against us if Obama faces a primary challenge or if he happens to be defeated in 2012, as if black voters can't see past their race. Maybe it's them who can't see past their race. I am NOT a racist. I was one of Obama's biggest supporters and defended him for almost three straight years against bigoted attacks from the right. I spent my time arguing with the dregs of humanity; white supremacists, fascists, Islamophobes, Theocrats, Nazis, you know, actual racists.
How dare you accuse those of us who not only supported the man (a black man) but also donated our valuable time and hard earned money and worked tirelessly to get him elected of being racists? How can you honestly with a straight face accuse the very same people who cried tears of joy as they witnessed history being made as then president-elect Barack Obama gave that wonderful speech in Grant Park of being racist?

I am sorry the first African-American president turned out so be such a dud. I trully am, but you know, if Obama was white (and he is half-white) I would feel the same way. I can asure you that most of the people who are now Obama's biggest detractors where once his greatest supporters. We are NOT right-wingers. We feel betrayed. We had such high hopes for this presidency but instead we were cast aside and now they've all been crushed.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

62. I think this was in response to someone who purported to state that

black Americans are turning against the president. The Gallup Poll shows differently.

Sure, there is disappointment, but I can't see any scenario where there would be a mass exodus of black voters. Perhaps if disappointed enough, some may stay home and not vote at all. But everyone I know understands the hand that this president was dealt. They understand that it took over 10 years to get here and it's not going to take less than 3 years to clean it up.

It's only my opinion and based on anecdotal evidence, but many black Americans want to wait and see what happens rather than jumping the gun before any plan is put forth.

[Name removed]

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[snot]

43. That's depressing.

[robcon]

46. It's largely what the White House called the 'Professional Left' that has abandoned Obama.

He'll be re-elected easily.

[CakeGrrl]

48. While I agree with your second statement,

I have to take issue with the "Professional Left" definition.

I'm quite sure Gibbs meant the political punditry arguing from the Left: Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz et. al.

Paid pundits, hence "Professional".

Not internet message board posters.

But of course, the misinterpretation fueled even more anger at the administration for believing this segment of voters had been personally slapped in the face by that comment.

:eyes:

[blkmusclmachine]

51. I don't trust Gallup.

[boppers]

52. Funny how that works.

Must really annoy the disinfo folks to see how little impact they've had.

[Kind of Blue]

54. KnR. n/t

[Fearless]

56. June 27th through July 3rd were the dates the polls were taken.

Edit to add: I love too the time during the 08 elections when Gallop was considered a dirty word.

[Kaleva]

59. Well, that news really blows ass for many here.

[TheKentuckian]

63. So the fuck what? Do you think this will peer pressure folks into giving up their core beliefs

and values?

This same lame shit is thrown out daily, why is it such an important talking point and yes it is an organized talking point.

Polls and the words of politicians mean little, if anything to me. I don't need a leader or a consensus to know what to think and I will oppose any DINOcrap including the President who cuts Social Security no matter the opponent and irregardless of any polls.

"86%" of liberal Democrats need to get their head out of their ass, this guy is a fucking fraud and a conservative. A younger, hipper Bob Dole.

[banned from Kos]

69. I support Obama 99% - I wish he would lighten up on the

War On Drugs more - that is it.

I can name 40 programs of his I support.

[polichick]

70. It's obviously time for liberals to start telling pollsters the truth.