If we can find a way to get religion out of politics, we could unmask all of the bigots, and

[ej510]

hypocrites who work hard to prevent the LGBT community from becoming full citizens. Religion is an excuse for bigotry for most of these people. Most of the people who talk bad about gay marriage sins all of the time, but to them it is alright because they are straight allegedly. We can start by outing that freak Mitch McConnell.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. I am sorry to rain on your parade...

But there is about as much chance of getting religion out of politics as there is getting money out of it.

[ej510]

2. Oh I know that; which is why I said a few weeks back this country

may not be salvageable.

[patrice]

3. All of this spiritual ranking that goes on is pure Blasphemy. They need to be told that

loudly and often. Based on THEIR OWN principles, they are Blasphemers.

They need to be asked questions about how their own "little" sins, sins which by virtue of being "little" COULD be easily avoided, but are NOT, how are these little things "less" than other people's "big" sins???? The assumption that not giving of one's substance to the poor is less evil than the big evil that consenting adults do in the privacy of their own lives is blasphemy. And compliance on the "small" things does not buy one the right to blaspheme on the "big" things.

[ej510]

4. Of course it is, but then again most people do not know their religion.

Most people are secular.

[patrice]

6. Yep. "Jesus saves. Don't worry yourself about anything. Be happy!" and my personal favorite, "All

"good" Christians are on their way to a better place."

[awoke_in_2003]

12. I wish they would hurry the F up...

and get there.

[Cal33]

29. And they are anything but "spiritual." Isn't money all they're after? You'll never come

across any bigger materialists than these.

[Scottybeamer70]

5. as I posted once before on a different thread......

"Civilization will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest."
Emile Zola.......French novelist

[ej510]

7. Hypocrites run our society.

[HockeyMom]

8. Tell me about

this not only affect the rights of my lesbian daughter, but all ME as a straight, married woman of 38 years who doesn't want somebody else's religion forced into MY MARRIAGE. Are these people aware of this?

[ej510]

9. No they do not care.

[HockeyMom]

10. Well, they better LEARN to care

They are not only trampeling on the civil rights of gay people, they are also trampleing on the civil rights of the NON RELIGIOUS sraight people also. As I said, I am ready, as a straight, married woman, to tear up my NYS Marriage Licene and send it to them if my civil marriage has now morphed into a RELIGIOUS, holy, sacrement.

[ej510]

11. It was morphed into a religious scam 30 years ago.

[HockeyMom]

13. If that is the case, I will send it back in pieces to them

Enough?

[Union Scribe]

14. No, not really. Though posts like yours do help unmask bigotry in a way.

Bigotry against religious people AND the bigotry that claims that homophobes are all closet cases.

[ej510]

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[defendandprotect]

23. Whoa ...!! We have every right to question and challenge religion --

especially when one's personal beliefs are brought into a public arena --

and that is exactly what this is --

You cannot make male-supremacist religion a taboo subject -- sorry!

[boppers]

25. Oh, the poor religious people, so persecuted in the US.

Sure, their belief is:
On our currency
In our flag pledge
On our Supreme Court walls
Enshrined in legal holidays
In the majority of hotel rooms
Expressed at every meeting of congress
Chanted by every modern President
Formalized by our military
A way to dodge taxes
A foundation for changing textbooks to be more ignorant
A way to deny basic human rights

...but they suffer so!

I feel bad for them.

[azureblue]

15. I am going to suggest how to handle the bigots

Basically, use their religion against them. Like this:

(You) "I believe in Jesus. Do you? Bigot: "I believe in Jesus"
(You) "Do you take Jesus as your savior? Do you obey Jesus when He tells you how His followers should act? What did Jesus tell you about gays? Nothing, eh? But what did He say about how to treat your fellow man? The Golden Rule ring a bell? Matthew 7:1-5? Those are the words of Jesus! Why are you turning your back on Him and His words! You cannot claim to be a Christian and disobey His teachings! Turn your back on Jesus and you turn your back on God the Father, who will condemn you to eternal Hell for disobeying His Son!"

If they try to say, "oh, that's your interpretation, not mine." then you have them: "Oh, so I quote to you what Jesus said in the Bible, His very words, and you defend your sin by saying that I made it all up? You say that I made up the words of Jesus?"


Follow the logic line, but use the words they hear in church, as I did in this example. Preach right back to them. The point to hang them on is that they are disobeying Jesus - just say it over and over.

[CrazyBob]

17. Wow... Anti-religious bigotry is allowed at this site???

Who knew???

Without the churches, there would have never been a civil rights movement.

[krabigirl]

19. Lmao

[defendandprotect]

22. eh... not exactly ... Christianity had been taught to African-Americans to control them....

African Americans were smart enough to turn things around and use it

against the elites suppressing them --

[defendandprotect]

24. Are you suggesting that organized patriarchal religion MUST be respected ?

Who knew?

We have every right to question and challenge religion --

especially when it is brought out into a the public arena which is what a

debating website is --


And the civil rights movement simply used "Christianity" against Christians ...

in a very smart move.

African Americans had been given "Christianity" to control them --

"pie in the sky when you die" --

AAs had always understood this -- and used it to help free themselves.

[Lance_Boyle]

27. Without the churches

there would never have been a Spanish Inquisition, or the Crusades, or Liberty University. All 3 are things the world would have been better off without.

[quaker bill]

18. Which comes first?

It might be convenient to think that religion causes bigotry. However since people choose their church, it is more likely that they pick a belief system that reinforces (makes them feel more correct about) the bigotry they already have. I think the bigotry comes first and the choices of how to live with it and express it come second.

[avebury]

28. Interesting

[defendandprotect]

20. Why is there any support for male-supremacist religion if we believe all are equal?

And want democracy?

[defendandprotect]

21. Historically, patriarchy's main tool is organized patriarchal religion... played a large role

in defeat of Native American -- other than by the cruel and brutal violence and

murder again them and genocide!

Religion was always used against them as they were demonized -- and the final blows

were the Catholic government run schools and the Mormon government run schools which

basically kidnapped the Native American children, refused to even let them speak in

their own language -- cut their hair - -forced them into "white man's" clothing --

and in order to make all of this happen .... they raped them, tortured them, beat them,

hung them -- and sexually abused them!


On and on -- you know the song!


Every nation that US overtook male-supremacist religion was used to overcome the population --

"Introducing the cross with the sword" --

Oh, those missionaries!!

[Township75]

26. Good thinking. Because the Soviet Union and China are the types of nonreligious societies that LGBT

communities should be begging for.

Along with North Korea.

[madinmaryland]

30. Huh? Without religion in politics, we would never be able to tell who the bigots are.

:shrug: