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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 06:52 AM
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Bachmann: Schools should teach intelligent design
New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) – Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann explained her skepticism of evolution on Friday and said students should be taught the theory of intelligent design.

Bachmann, a congresswoman from Minnesota, also proposed a major overhaul of the nation’s education system and said state administrators should be able to decide how they spend money allocated to them by the federal government.

"I support intelligent design," Bachmann told reporters in New Orleans following her speech to the Republican Leadership Conference. "What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don't think it's a good idea for government to come down on one side of scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides."


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/17/bachmann-schools-should-teach-intelligent-design/#more-164226

There is no reasonable doubt, Michele: there's nothing scientific about ID. Supernatural "theories" have no place in the natural science curriculum, period.

If this bimbo somehow comes out on top, I swear...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:05 AM
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:26 AM
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3. ORLY?
Except that courts have found, time and time again, that "intelligent design" is NOT a valid scientific theory, as it can't be empirically tested. Science classes should be about SCIENCE, not theology.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:35 AM
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:55 AM
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8. How else do you think such should matters should be addressed?
Edited on Sat Jun-18-11 07:56 AM by LAGC
Ignorant, socially conservative school boards try to introduce religious "theories" into public school settings, science teachers take offense and contact the ACLU, the issue ends up in court where both sides of the debate can be hashed out, court inevitably comes to the conclusion that "intelligent design" is, indeed, an unscientific religious concept, and therefore a violation of separation of church and state, court rules against the school board and orders them to drop the non-sense, case closed.
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Thaddeus Kosciuszko Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 08:29 AM
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10. What about the people that these "ignorant" school boards serve?
Is it not their responsibility to hold them accountable?
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 08:33 AM
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11. Yeah, and they usually do.
In most of the areas that have tried to introduce ID, the school board members are quickly shown the boot in the next election cycle, and more sensible social moderates are sworn in.

Sometimes a few slip through the cracks though, voters often don't have a chance to act until AFTER they find out about an activist school board trying to push an agenda on their kids.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:06 AM
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2. It's more than indoctrination of an unlawful religious belief in a public school.
It's passing and failing based on that indoctrination. Your college transcripts will be predicated on that indoctrination. And religious dogma eviscerating the principles of science with its methods of theory, experimentation, evidence, and proof based on the evidence. Evidence, not faith.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:35 AM
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4. she's a skeptic of evolution?
Edited on Sat Jun-18-11 07:36 AM by chelsea0011
What does she think of fossils?
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:46 AM
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6. Don't be silly.
Dinosaurs were among the animals on Noah's Ark and also named by Adam & Eve in the Garden.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 07:46 AM
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7. "Fossils are just God's way of testing our faith," of course.
He put them there to make it APPEAR that life evolved, but of course we really know God designed all forms of life on Earth, down to every little feature and appendage. That's why we still have tail-bones and appendixes. "In God's image," and all that. :rofl:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 09:48 AM
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13. More like God has a perverse sense of humor
He puts all those fossils out there like Easter eggs and laughs while silly scientists try to figure out their origins.

He must have a sense of humor, right? After all he gave us Michele Bachmann.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 09:51 AM
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14. I quit laughing after he created pedophilia and malaria.
God's "sense of humor" sure is something alright...
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 10:53 AM
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16. Actually I think god is more of a showman
than a comedian. Who could forget such greats as "The Black Plague" or "The Holocaust"? The earthquake and tsunami in Japan followed by nuclear plant meltdowns was exceptionally dastardly I thought. And then he gives us people like Bachmann to explain it all to us.
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 11:10 AM
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18. I thought it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster that did that......
Blessed be His Noodliness....
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 12:00 PM
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20. They believe we walked the earth with dinos. She thinks we lived like the Flintstones. n/t
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 02:09 PM
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23. She loves oil but doesn't know how it was formed!
The stupid hurts!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 04:36 PM
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25. She's pobably okay with them.
Most ID folk aren't young-earth creationists.

In fact, it's hard for me to understand how ID and young-earth creationism are in the least compatible. I know ways of reconciling an old Earth with the kind of special creation claimed by young-Earthers, but they find ID to be a crazy kind of claim.

You look at what a supporter of ID says and what an evolutionist says, and you'll see they're pretty much the same. The only thing different is that evolution involves fairly random (although sometimes constrained) mutations with conditions determining outcome over a fairly short time span while ID-supporters are strictly teleological.

A wrinkle in evolution are what amounts to crypto-mutations at the base-pair level, mutations that are present but neither predispose to survival or extinction and are pretty much invisible, but which when combined with later mutations suddenly matter. The ID folk should have fun with them. On the other hand, finding that such things happen is also an arrow in the evolutionist's quiver.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 08:16 AM
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9. If they tried to teach that nonsense is schools, ID would become extinct.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 09:17 AM
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12. Only if Sunday schools also have to teach evolution. n/t
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 10:35 AM
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15. It is embarrassing that people like here get elected
And that she gets so much air time from our media.
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 11:07 AM
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17. Why would an INTELLIGENT designer make an IDIOT like Bachmann???
So much for that theory.....
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 11:59 AM
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19. As a Catholic school student---intelligent design makes no goddamn sense. n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 12:01 PM
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21. Well if Pres O ends up debating this teabagger in the GE, that'll be fun.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 12:28 PM
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22. They will be forced to believe in the "science" of intelligent design based on religious beliefs?
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vroomvroom Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-11 02:14 PM
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24. Curious - Would Obama be willing to support ID if the Republicans demand it in the MSM?
I know Obama supports Science but i am just curious to know if Obama would flip flop on this issue if republicans went on the Sunday shows demanding ID be taught in schools and the constitution changed? Seeing as how republicans are getting so much during these debt talks ($2.5 trillion and counting with nothing for democrats) i am a bit puzzled why Bachmann and other republicans dont just ask to put that into the deal too. Then Obama can come out and claim bi-partisan support and proclaim victory for the advancement in education.

I am an atheist but find that scenario more than possible these days with the Obama administration. Unfortunately.
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