If elected Democrats won't stand with labor unions...

[LiberalFighter]

then why should labor stand with them?

[LAGC]

1. But... but...

Where else does labor have to go?

What are you gonna do, vote Republican?

[LiberalFighter]

2. Do you think they will even bother voting if Democrats throw the unions under the bus?

[LAGC]

5. No, I agree with you.

It doesn't surprise me how many people sit out elections because the "choice" they have is Corporate Heavy and Corporate Light.

Congresscritters are so concerned with that magical "centrist" position, that they sacrifice their principles for a few more "moderate" swing votes.

Guess those types of politicians figure there is more marginal gain from the center than there is from the "concerned Left."

[LiberalFighter]

8. I know what you mean.

We had Bayh as our Senator. And for a number of years he was pissing off a lot of his supporters in labor with his attitude about the issues. We were not considered important enough for him to spend much time with us.

Even when he was Governor he was a scum. Our Regional Director had to have a talk with him in the early 90's about the importance of signing an executive order for state workers to organize. He was the son of Birch Bayh and I guess all of the Hoosiers thought he would be like his daddy. Well he was nothing like him. All of those that knew Birch either were dying off or realized he wasn't like his daddy. And all the younger voters didn't know Bayh. So I guess he figured his margin was slimming down too much.

There aren't too many Democrats that are worthy to be Democrats in Indiana.

[nebenaube]

3. You don't think labor is ready for it's very own party?

Sucker...

[olegramps]

24. What I hope for is a someone from Labor running for the nomination.

[patrice]

4. Pro Union should be the sine qua non of being a Democrat, a litmus test, if you will. nt

[reggie the dog]

10. if one isn't pro union, one isn'tt on the left

[patrice]

16. The Left is the higher order category, analytically speaking, so thanks for the catch! I am

trying to be an enforcer amongst those with whom I have lived my life and who refer to themselves as "Democrats", an analytic category lower than "Left" and on level with all other political parties, and which may be further sub-divided into different kinds of Democrats.

Is there such a thing as either a non- or an anti- Labor Democrat? I'm sure it's pretty much a matter of priorities, emphasis, and process, so I am now making good on a longstanding inclination to be up front & clearer about all of this myself and require the same of other Democrats.

.......................

The other day, I was looking at profiles here and saw someone who said that their political affiliation was "Conservative Left". It would be fun to do a new one of those descriptive exercises that illustrate the ideological spectrum, ask people where they think they place, and then compare to where they ACTUALLY place.

[jannyk]

6. Why Indeed? nt

[Blue_In_AK]

7. It seems that very few people in power,

Republican or Democrat, respect the working men and women who elected them. That's just the way it is. The truth is we really aren't represented by anyone.

[reggie the dog]

9. we need real candidates

labor candidates, and they dont have to wear damn suit and ties and look like office workers all the time either. i went to college and i still like wearing jeans and a pantera t shirt, i am sick of class warfare and sick of the upper class forcing their damn suits on us. I want candidates that are like me, that look out for people like me, and the dress normally, not like corporate clones. it would be great to see a candidate in jeans with a nofx t'shirt but no no no all the candidtates have to look "professional" as in "like the rich"....

[olegramps]

25. Anyone who is familiar with my posts know that this is what I have advocated since being here.

[old mark]

11. K&R- This just proves how few real Democrats there are...The unions have been neglected for decades,

and it's time to get back to the basics...but I don't see many "Democrats" with enough integrity to do that...
We need a lot of young, smart, tough progressive candidates
to rebuild the party and we needed them yesterday...


mark

[polichick]

12. They shouldn't - and if a new party is formed that will stand with working people...

...a lot of other Dems will join.

[Chris_Texas]

13. No no no no!!!

If the entire Democratic party leadership is caught on video pitchforking screaming orphans and teachers into chipper-shredders while materbating furiously to nude pictures of Rush Liumbaugh, they will STILL be better than voting for anyone else, regardless of who they are or what they believe!

Kids, teachers, labor, the poor, the sick... all PAWNS, and in 3D chess you have to be willing to sacrifice the pawns.

[Imajika]

14. Because the Republicans are worse?

There is always the next battle.

Labor Unions are absolutely wed to the Democratic Party because the only alternative is worse.

Republicans see Labor Unions as just an extension of the Democratic Party and will always attack them and try to marginalize them.

Where else is Labor going to go. Even if Democrats aren't the best friends, they are least a marginal friend. The Republicans are the enemy. This is the problem with our 2 party system.

Democratic leaders know the unions aren't going anywhere. Democrats have nothing to fear when Labor gets mad at them because they know the unions have nowhere else to go.

[jtuck004]

15. That's the same argument used to remove civil liberties- terrorists are worse

so you must let us do anything we want.

But if the policies one supports are not being advanced by people in the party on one's side,
then perhaps it says more about one's lack of resolve, or real depth of feeling or caring.

We had people that died for these freedoms, just watched the process in Egypt, yet there seems
to be a terrible lack of the backbone or resolve that it would take to stand up for the most vulnerable,
for labor, for the things the Democratic Party used to be known for.

Seems like everyone is trembling in fear, afraid not to vote for people who have consistently proven
their willingness to act like libertarians, to throw the most vulnerable under the bus to avoid ...what?
It makes the voters appear weak, (as opposed to teabaggers who were able to disrupt the process and begin
to win elections), and those in power know very well the voters won't want to suffer any perceived
discomfort to put people in office who will really advance their agenda.

For me, when we took power in the middle of the loss of 8 1/2 million jobs and didn't immediately
begin to work on a jobs program, instead throwing millions of people aside, I resolved then and
there not to vote for another person that didn't work on the policies and programs that I think
are the best for the country, especially where it concerns the most vulnerable. It kills me, because
I have never, ever not voted. But I will no longer vote for the mediocre or two-faced liar out of fear.

Because when politicians figure out that you are too weak to worry about, they are no longer answerable to anyone.

[Little Star]

22. I wish labor would start their own workers party.

[olegramps]

26. I would just hope that a labor leader runs for the nomination.

This would re-focus attention on the issues that are destroying the working class and have been neglected by the Democratic Party since Reagan began his attack on labor.

[boppers]

28. 12% of the vote isn't much.

88% of the US is not in a union.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

[DrToast]

17. Oh really?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/report-wis-dem-state-senators-leave-state-to-block-budget-quorum.php?ref=fpa

[geek tragedy]

18. What evidence is there that Wisconsin Democrats

aren't doing everything they can to stop this?

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

20. Unreccing this bogus, inaccurate whiny piece of crap post,. nt

[craigmatic]

21. They did in WI.

[great white snark]

23. Another turn unions against Dems start new party bullshit post of the day.

We do stand united.

[Arkana]

27. The leader of the Democratic Party just denounced the Wisconsin governor

for his assault on workers' rights and pronounced it an "assault on unions".

Your faux outrage is misplaced.

[BklnDem75]

29. You assume Dems aren't standing with labor unions...

and that's the problem right there. So this is the result. A puke governor takes charge because many shared this stupid assumption. The real question is why are you STILL asking this question? What's going on right now IS the answer to your question.

[PeaceNikki]

30. We had 14 elected Democrats who stood with the unions today and stopped the vote.

Every Democrat in the state Senate. So... WTF are you talking about?