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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:03 AM
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Mr. President, please make a speech about Wisconsin protests like you did for Egypt
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 01:18 AM by zulchzulu
I am completely comfortable with Barack Obama being perhaps the best President not only in my lifetime, but perhaps the best President this country has ever had.

I do believe that if he made MORE statements and even a seriously focused address/statement toward supporting the Wisconsin state workers (and thousands who support them), he could make it absolutely known now and historically that he supports the working class, the middle class and those who are public workers that are the glue that keeps this country working.

Granted, it might be viewed by some as states rights vs. federal rights by some who might mince Obama focusing on state matters. Other states and their new Republican governors are watching to see what happens in the next few days. Should Democrats meekishly cower in the corner waiting for what they think is inevitable and see the working and middle class get trounced by the Koch Brothers?

WHO CARES!

Those who will trash Obama for standing up for the working and middle class are ALREADY trashing him and ARE working with the filthy Republican Koch Brother whores and paid-off errand boys and covert backstage operators who never can have enough and will slit the throats of those who support workers rights as a bloodsport complying with their evil intent.

Obama has made a statement or two fairly offline media-wise about the events in Wisconsin. He needs to be fully front and center now with his positions on these matters.

It's probably too much for Obama to actually come to the front lines here in Madison to make the points and have a thunderous rally support throng sealing the deal.

Or it would be one of the more memorable moments of his Presidency...

Of the many photos and video I produced today in Madison at the rallies, this one says it all for me. It's about the children and the future.

Looking at those children's innocence, one can feel that the tragedy of complacency will lead to remorse for not doing anything when it was staring us down to strike while we yawned.



Plus, I love gals with cheesehead hats. :hi:





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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:50 AM
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1. Umm isn't there a full fledged Democracy in Wisconsin?
Are we accusing Someone of vote rigging or something?

And how is this polling?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:58 AM
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2. No put down, only fact: Ed Schultz showed a clip of Obama commenting in favor
of Wisconsin's "tough decisions", that he thought they were fair.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 05:50 AM
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4. Obama said that was an "assault on Unions", but i guess Ed is too dumb to hear it
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 12:49 PM
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10. You edited the quote.
The quote: "On the other other hand, some of what I've heard coming out of Wisconsin -- where you're just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain, generally -- seems like more of an assault on unions." The actual quote is far weaker than the three words you chose to use as his statement.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:31 PM
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16. He said it "seems" like it might be. His talking was much softer & "centrist" sounding...
...than you indicate.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:35 AM
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6. Ed Schultz is an idiot using Fox News tactics...
... to bash a Democratic President.

Cherry picking a quote to back up his own BS argument, he's no better than Hannity or O'Reilly.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 02:31 PM
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18. Shame on you for cherry picking that quote...
That's the Freeperesque way of behaving, you know.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 06:11 PM
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21. How dare you! That is what I heard Obama say on video on the Ed Show last night.
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 06:13 PM by pacalo
Ed didn't "characterize" it; he ran the tape. This "cherry-picking" meme is getting ridiculous.

Attacking the messenger because you apparently didn't like the cut-&-dried, non-argumentative information I provided is "freeperesque". I didn't tell him what to say.



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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 05:45 AM
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3. Why should he? The good people of Wisconsin were free to elect whoever they wanted
And this is the guy they put in office. Live with it. Maybe next time people won't stay home because they want to punish the president or the Democratic party.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 10:19 AM
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8. Why should he? Maybe because Obama might want to take a stand against Republican attacks on workers
So just shut up?

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 02:33 PM
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19. He has, actually...
And he's being misquoted all over the airwaves... and all over DU too.

Still, I agree that a speech is in order, a stand alone speech in support of We the People who are out in the street right now fighting for our rights.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 06:16 PM
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23. If he was "misquoted", then, by all means, please provide the quote you heard.
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 06:18 PM by pacalo
To argue about it through the wind is not only non-productive, but destructive.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:28 PM
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15. The GOP backed protests took a diff, tactic. Then they won the Senate.
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 01:32 PM by Dr Fate
The GOP leaders backed up and agreed with their protestors- then they won the midterms.

Our "centrist" leaders did the opposite- they distanced themselves from the "crazy liberals" in order to impress moderate & independent voters.

Centrism failed. While the Liberals voted DEM as always, the moderate & independent voters we worked so hard to impress voted GOP or stayed home.

Instead of incorrectly blaming Liberals instead of failed centrist strategy for the midterms of 2010- why dont you insist that Obama take action now, here in 2011? Not action designed to impress "independents"- but an action that will but him behind his base.


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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 06:13 PM
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22. Good point. This is a state matter.
Why is the President interfering with states rights? that's what we would hear.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 06:10 AM
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5. Protests against democracy get less traction.
A Cabal is not democracy.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:18 PM
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14. Unless you are the tea party, with famous elected officials backing you up.
n/t
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 09:54 AM
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7. There is quite a difference between Wisconsin and Egypt...
There is no comparison really.

Egypt didn't allow free elections, Wisconsin does.

Egyptian citizens didn't have a right to go to the polls and vote for politicians they like and against ones they don't like, Wisconsin voters have that right.

The problem here is Wisconsin voters, not some lack of democratic rights. And it's not just Wisconsin voters either. Voters elected the same type of legislature's and Governors in many other states to include Ohio, Florida, etc, etc.

Public sector unions are facing a bloodbath the next couple years and this is directly the fault of citizens, not some oppressive regime.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 10:30 AM
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9. YEAH OIL !!!!
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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:03 PM
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11. Nice post
The constant comparison of Egypt to the US is getting tiring.

Voter turnout is a huge culprit across this country. In 2008, which was by all means an historic election, the turnout was 57%. Better than prior elections, but still way too low.

And in midterm elections, turnout is typically around 40%.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:14 PM
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13. Plus, Egypt is a foreign country, half way across the world.
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 01:16 PM by Dr Fate
Wisconsin is here in the USA- so who gives a crap.

But seriously- It makes sense that Liberals would insist that the standards of Democracy in the US (our own country where we live) are supposed be maintained at a higher level than for foreign countries where we dont live..

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 04:13 PM
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20. That's pretty obvious, but it doesn't make the issue just go away
Obama has made some statements supporting the Wisconsin workers. I just want a more in-the-face statement that calls not only Walker out, but all the other governors who will be following what Walker may succeed in.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:12 PM
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12. The Koch Brothers? You mean those guys that Obama just gave big fat tax cuts to?
Tax cuts of the proportion that no one at DU and few people in the US should never even dare to dream of, BTW?

Sorry- but the Koch Brothers are benfactors of this admin. If they are likely to turn on their benefactors, then maybe Obama should not be rewarding them with so many tax cuts.


You need to pick a new villian- someone who does not get so many "ponies" from Obama & the centrists.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 01:52 PM
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17. I won't hold my breath!
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