What different between Bush and Obama..

[nmbluesky]

Both want seek Arab Country needs a new democracy..
opposite Country were Dictator leaders
Bush started war with Iraq and thousand and thousand killed. the old leader leave with war-torn.. and find him and hung him.. The Country of Iraq still mess up..

Obama doesn't start war with Egypt..but People of Egypt did this .. a hundred killed.. Now the old Leader leave with the peace. New democracy for Egypt. Obama support them.. Now they are celebration without war!!!!

[tridim]

1. Actually the Neocons never wanted Democracy, they wanted non-stop war..

And the chaos that creates.

[dipsydoodle]

2. Shoe size.

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[JuniperLea]

3. Do you really think so?

If that's the case, why isn't Cairo the recipient of "Shock and Awe?"

[dipsydoodle]

6. There's different ways of looking at it.

Both maintained US$1.5 billion in aid to Mubarak which was principally used to keep the population under control in Egypt. There is no denying that and it is indefensible.

It doesn't mean that Cairo had to be subjected to what you said.

[JuniperLea]

9. By your own definition...

Obama is nothing like Bush. Do you honestly think Bush would have advocated for the people of Egypt? Would he have told Mubarak it was time to go?

[JuniperLea]

4. Bombs vs. Words...

I think the correct choice was made.

[brentspeak]

5. Meanwhile, Obama escalated our involvement in Afghanistan

and our people are still in Iraq -- even though we're not "officially" still in Iraq.

[JoePhilly]

7. Weak, weak, weak ...

1) Obama as a candidate said he would return to a focus on Afghanistan because Bush ignored it. He was right to do so.

2) Be honest ... how many of our people are in Iraq NOW, versus when Obama took office as compared to what Obama said he would do as a candidate. If you are honest, you would find that he has reduced our presence there EXACTLY as he said he would.

So while I agree you should feel free to stew in your own juices, in both cases, he as done EXACTLY what he said he would do.

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[JoePhilly]

10. Wow ... and I should take you seriously?

1) I agreed that he should refocus on Afghanistan after Bush forgot about it. I still think that was needed, while knowing that Bush's neglect may have made any improvement there futile. Obama needed to make try and fix what Bush has fucked up.

2) I enjoy how you switch topics ... in the bush tax cut, etc, etc, etc space.

As a simple example, after the Dems punted on that issue, Obama KEPT an even bigger promise, not to raise taxes on 98% of Americans. And he never promised a PO or a repeal of NAFTA ...

And ... let's take the PO farther ... he passed a bill that does not have one ...

But I hear you ... no progress is better that some progress.

If he followed your advice, he'd have made no progress and I get the sense you would lead the charge to crucify him for making no progress too.

[brentspeak]

11. "Obama never promised a PO or a repeal of NAFTA"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/weekinreview/12cooper.html

“I would immediately call the president of Mexico, the president of Canada, to try to amend Nafta because I think that we can get labor agreements in that agreement right now,” said Senator Barack Obama (saying what he would do once he was elected President).

No one except you said anything about Obama "repealing" NAFTA. Responding to someone by putting a phony question/comment in the other person's mouth and then responding to that made-up question/comment to make oneself appear as "being right" is a classic bogus debating device when one has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demands-the-bill-i-sign-must-include-public-option.php

Obama Demands: The Bill I Sign Must Include Public Option

Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family

Any time you want to stop embarrassing yourself, feel free to do so. I'm still laughing over your use of the word "refocus" to spin a gigantically chaotic escalation that, by all accounts, hasn't done much in the way of getting rid of either al Queda or the Taliban.

[TheKentuckian]

12. Less soldiers and many more mercs. Probably about a wash.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. Not much.

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