Why is the NYT article proof that Obama won't cut SS?

[Dawgs]

Didn't he also promise to include the public option and end tax cuts for the rich?

[Godhumor]

1. Because the burden of proof is on the people who said he was going to cut it?

We'll know for sure soon, but there was never any evidence that he was actually going to touch SS. Sure didn't stop people from getting riled up, anyway.

[Dawgs]

3. I think there is about the same amount of proof on both sides.

Ultimately, none of us really know.

[Godhumor]

4. Burden of proof always lies on the side making the claim. No proof was ever presented, ever

As you said, we'll find out soon enough. That didn't stop people from going after his position on social security with absolutely nothing to back it up.

[Dawgs]

12. Aren't people "making the claim" that Obama won't cut it because of the NYT article?

I'm not seeing any proof presented there either.

[phleshdef]

13. No, people were stating the obvious that he won't cut it way before there was ever an article.

[Godhumor]

15. Again, the burden of proof is on those saying he is going to cut it

The NYT article is collaborating evidence on reinforcement of current policy. There is zero actual evidence that Obama ever intended to cut social security.

[Dawgs]

18. Yes and No.

Yes, those that say Obama is going to cut SS need to prove it. And, those that say the NYT proves he will not also need to show proof that he won't; LIKE THEY ARE CLAIMING.

[Godhumor]

22. NYT article is a piece on continuation of policy

It is evidence for just that--the article also uses words like probably to hedge bets in case Obama does pull a nutter. The fact is, it is a statement based off a preview at what the SOTU will cover. When the people presenting the preview say, "Oh, Obama is probably not going to be following the deficit commission recommendations on Social Security" that is much stronger than any of the BS floating around that Obama is planning on taking a hatchet to the SSA.

Again, burden is on those who claim he intends to do other than what has been established. That burden would only shift if explicit and real evidence to the contrary has been offered. It has not.

[phleshdef]

5. Yea, just like none of us really know the FEMA death camps don't exist.

Because you can't prove they don't exist.

[HeroTwins]

25. but you don't let that stop you, do you?

[phleshdef]

2. He has kept a ton of promises. Promises has nothing to do with it.

He isn't politically stupid. Even Republicans will admit that.

[BklnDem75]

6. Fail

So you're comparing not keeping a promise to something he never said? Interesting...

[Dawgs]

11. And equally, there is nothing in the NYT article that states Obama will not cut SS...

like many are claiming.

My point is that Obama does not allows keep his promises. So, claiming that he's going to do it because of something he said in some NYT article proves nothing.

[BklnDem75]

14. So in your scenario, there's no winning

Even if he satisfies those who believes the rumors, saying he won't cut SS, you'll be right there saying he made promises before. This is not a good way for anyone to take you seriously.

[Dawgs]

16. I'll be saying the he made promises before and broke them because he did.

I think the argument from both sides on this topic are wrong. I see no proof that he will, or will not, make cuts to SS.

I'd just like an answer as to why this NYT article proves the one side of the argument when it really proves nothing. I'd also like to know why so many are sure that he will cut SS when he's never said anything on the topic.

Although, it does scare the hell out of me that he cut payroll taxes.

[elleng]

7. No. He did not promise to include the public option,

and he surely tried to end tax cuts for the rich. Remember?

[Enrique]

8. someone forced him to sign his name to it?

the president doesn't have veto power any more?

[Dawgs]

9. He DID promise a public option.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demands-the-bill-i-sign-must-include-public-option.php

"Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family."

"he surely tried to end tax cuts" - based on what? Speaking out against them and then folding without any fight is not trying.

[Enrique]

10. it's not proof, but it does contradict the speculation

speculation, and one report a while ago from Robert Kuttner, said that Obama in this speech would call for cuts to SS.

[impik]

17. It's no less proof that the bullshit rumor on which this all circus started

But why not have double standard when you can?

[Dawgs]

19. Why so angry?

I agree with you.

[impik]

20. You do? You have a strange OP way to show it

[Arkana]

21. Because the burden of proof rests

with the screaming, wailing and gnashing-their-teeth crowd who thinks Obama is going to announce Khmer Rouge II in the SOTU.

[Davis_X_Machina]

23. You mean we're not going to find out that...

...property really is theft? And he's not actually going to call on us to expropriate the expropriators?

I'm so bummed.

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[Phx_Dem]

26. No. He never promised a public option.

He said he wanted to offer the same health care "pool" that Congress has. He did that.