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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:18 PM Original message |
Come 2012 & the general election, how on earth does President Obama get around the tax issue? |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Or as one of the Bushco lackeys termed it, the trap they set for him. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Make that the second trap |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. Show the damage done and increase in debt due to |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The GOP will control Congress and they don't give a shit about damage or debt increase. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yeah, given how many in the Teabagger freshman class are signing a "no tax increase" pledge |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. Who will believe him when he says he wants to let them expire, again? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Exactly. More than anything, this deal severely damaged his credibility on the issue. n/t |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. The timing says it all |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. if he campaigns to make them permanent... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. *snort* |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. WTF? Why would the Democratic party get behind making permanent the |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Because then the republicans.... |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. agreed... |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. There is one way |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. The question needs to separate the issues |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Point One: Economists said doing it was irresponsible. Obama did it. Obama was irresponsible. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. His backers get Sister Sarah to get the GOP the nomination then the GOP would really be worse option |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. He never supported raising taxes, and was very clear when he spoke |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. He sure fought like he didn't want them. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. because democrats appear powerless... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
46. On record is fine and dandy, but actions speak louder than words. n/t |
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RDANGELO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. There are plenty of economists who think that a second stimulus |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. 'he will propose another cut for the middle class, but not the wealthy, which is where most are.' |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
59. That's what he proposed this time. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Something will be held hostage for tax cuts to the rich and they will be extended too. eom |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. One lie deserves another? nt |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
18. why would he be criticized for flip-flopping? He still believes the high-income tax cuts were unwise |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Because of the reasoning. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. he is good at "saying" stuff. nt |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
19. He'll most likely try to do political jujutsu by saying that he extended them once but now it's time |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
21. He will stand tough on the tax cuts for the rich |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
22. easy |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Hey, I might go for that.. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. LOL |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Deja vu. nt |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. like Lucy with the football... |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. Get AROUND the tax issue???? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Wow, talk about wishful thinking |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. How do you get that? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. This thread is about the position he'll take in 2012, not about 2010 |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
25. Depends how strong the GOP is looking in 2012 |
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Robbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Easy |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
29. Good point, he will be between Iraq and a hard place n/t |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. First, chill out. Obama is the best damn political chess player there is. Here is what he does: |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. You didn't actually say it, but I assume you're saying he'll campaign in 2012 to end Bush's tax cuts |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
47. That makes absolutely no sense. If he really believed it to be |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You need a civics lesson. He DIDN'T AGREE BUT HAD TO COMPROMISE IN THE SHORT TERM. Get it? |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. No, he didn't |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. BINGO. n/t |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. You haven't been paying attention to the Republicans. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Bullshit |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. The TRUTH is that he has passed more PROGRESSIVE legislation than we have seen in a generation, and |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Let's see what happens in 2012 when he is running for re-election. n/t |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
36. "Voted AGAINST a middle class tax cut." |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
37. He'll have two problems |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Great point |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
39. he will campaign to end Bush's tax cuts, - NO FLIPPY FLOP |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The Republicans will surely say he flip flopped if he campaigns not to extend them in 2012, |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. They can say whatever they want to say. He made it VERY VERY CLEAR that he opposed PERMANENT cuts |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Why do you keep telling me to chill out when it's you who sounds like your head is about to explode? |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. I guess you didn't listen to him. He said is against tax cuts for the rich, but felt the compromise |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. "In 2012 he doesn't extend them" |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
57. he'll be against tax cuts for the rich |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-11 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
64. He won't ... |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-02-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
66. seems pretty simple. Stand against the tax cuts for the rich |
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