Best. President. Ever.

[impik]

:)

[vaberella]

1. I agree. n/t

[Clio the Leo]

2. He's certainly up there all right. nt

[Phx_Dem]

3. Ever.

:patriot:

[mtnsnake]

4. He definitely has the potential to become just that.

[lamp_shade]

5. Yup.

[BlueJac]

6. This must be dreamland today!!!

[impik]

7. Well, you live in fantasy land all year. We can have one day.

[Dawgs]

10. Is that you Hal Sparks?

Wow!

[brentspeak]

8. His friends agree:

He's doing great things for them. And there's http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/top-democrat-identifies-another-threat-to-social-security-in-obama-tax-plan.php">more ahead.

[ClarkUSA]

16. Instead of working for a hedge fund to "learn about poverty" 44 actually worked directly w/the poor.

Barack Obama is the best Democratic president in decades and the past two years is proof-positive, your constant negativity notwithstanding.

[martymar64]

34. Don't unfurl the Mission Accomplished Banner just yet there, Hoss.

When you compare him to Clinton or Carter, sure, but he's still no FDR, no Lincoln, no TR or Wilson or Jefferson or Washington or Jackson.
So best president ever is overstating it by a country mile.

[RichGirl]

17. It must be hard to be you....

[jenmito]

22. Did you have any comment when DADT repeal was passed?

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[Scurrilous]

9. K & R

:thumbsup:

[whatchamacallit]

11. Huh?

:shrug:

[nmbluesky]

13. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HUH?

Don't think Obama is best president ever, Do you?

[RichGirl]

20. EVER...EVER...EVER!!!!!

[immoderate]

27. He is, if you don't count the economy.

He has done nothing to stop the accumulation of wealth upward. That's a big problem. So far, Hoover.

--imm

[nmbluesky]

12. He done for 244 and count

ACCOMPLISHMENTS

of PRESIDENT OBAMA IN TWO YEARS

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[ClarkUSA]

15. Prove that Pres. Obama is "a corporate tool". Please use credible non-partisan sources.

[jenmito]

19. "Guy is a joke and a corporate tool"???

Wow-you're either not paying attention or you're not really a Dem.

[Mopar151]

18. He shows up for work, on time and sober

Does'nt sound like much - but that alone keeps him out of the bottom tier of Presidents.

The fact that he speaks well and clearly, is literate, and is not a national embarrasment abroad, gets him into the top half, IMHO

[Whisp]

21. agreed and recommended!!!!

yeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa!!

[jenmito]

23. Agreed. And it's only been 2 years!

[smiley]

25. Ra, Ra,

Ra...

[girl gone mad]

26. ...was FDR?

or maybe Lincoln..?

[JoePhilly]

28. In my life time.

[Ter]

29. Not even close

Unrec.

[MissDeeds]

35. Ditto n/m

[Kablooie]

30. Are you denigrating George Washington?

[mikekohr]

45. Washington was a war criminal

http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#GEORGE WASHINGTON
GEORGE WASHINGTON:
Known as the, "Father of our Country," he is known by a different name among the Onadaga People. Washington is remembered by the Onadaga as , "The Town Destroyer," and the killer of women and children. 12). 71).

He once described Indian people as, "Having nothing human except the shape." 1).
Washington would make a comparison between Native People and wolves in 1783, "... both being beasts of prey, tho' they differ in shape," and in his words deserved, "total ruin." http://www.eyapaha.org

Having tried twice, unsuccessfully, to enter the British Army, he formed a militia, allied with the British, during the French and Indian War. It was Washington's hope and ambition that this alliance would result in a commission to the British Army.
Washington led this militia against a peaceful village of Native people and slaughtered the inhabitants in a manner so wanton and brutal as to cause mortification, and condemnation even among his own allies in this war, the British.
This British mortification and wounded sensibility over the slaughter of the villagers, was short lived however. Washington was rewarded by the British, after the war, with title to 80,000 acres of "Indian" land. It was suggested, by his British allies, that this land should be shared with the commoners that served Washington in his militia as payment for their services to the Crown. Washington felt that dividing the land among his soldiers would be an insult to the honor of his officers and himself. Washington solved this dilemma, and spared himself insult, by keeping title of the 80,000 acres for himself.
It was on this 80,000 acres that Washington started a slave plantation. Selling at inflated prices, portions of this "Indian" land, made him a rich and influential member of the British colonies. These riches and influence, along with his prior "militia" experience against the Native People, propelled him to become the leader of Colonial military resistance against the British crown during the War for Independence. 43).

During the Revolutionary War, General Washington, sent General John Sullivan and 5000 men against the fiercely neutral Onondaga People in August of 1779. Washington instructed Sullivan that no talks of peace were to be considered until all villages, homes, fields, food-stores, cattle herds and orchards of the Onondaga were destroyed. Sullivan completed Washington's orders just as winter set in. Hundreds of Onodaga People starved to death and died of exposure in the deep winter snows. 12). 71).
During Washington's darkest hour at Valley Forge, when his troops faced starvation and death by exposure, the Onieda People carried over 600 bushels of corn and many blankets to Washington's desperate troops. After the war was over, the generosity of the Onieda was re-paid by the confiscation of their lands. The Onieda were scattered like leaves before a winter wind. Some remained on a small parcel of land in New York, others migrated to Wisconsin, and the remainder found refuge in Canada. 12).

[Donald Ian Rankin]

31. FRD, Lincoln or possibly Jefferson; certainly not Obama.

Obama probably deserves to be in the top 30% of presidents - I would say that he's at worst the second best president America has had since Johnson. But he's certainly not the best ever, or even an exceptional one.

[democracy1st]

32. You've lost your freakin mind!

[Creative]

33. Actually, most studies have Lincoln at the top. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

My choice is Jefferson. For it is clear that he was the most intelligent and well-read (educated) of all.

He was and accomplished writer, inventor, lawyer, architect, scientist, farmer and philosopher.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Slave-owner Jefferson?

Cool beans. He was so intelligent that he eagerly bid on chattle African-descended humans because by golly, his inherent intelligence told him that they were oh so inferior to his blessed white self. :eyes:

[Creative]

37. LOL...yes, there are those who compare Roosevelt to Hitler as well.

They argue that since he placed Japanese Americans in concentration camps, he was no different than Hitler.

Like those misguided people, you also appear to be unable to judge people based on the context of the era in which lived.

:crazy:

[BumRushDaShow]

39. FDR

also locked up Germans and Italians in cocentration camps right here in Pennsylvania too but you knew that right?

The "but it was the era" strawman is nonsense when you had Quakers and others who were abolitionalists. Jefferson was a slaveowner and thousands of descendants of his darker-hued progeny from his adulterous whoring ways in the slave quarters, live on today and carry his name.

You may choose to dismiss it and fantasize about this evil man but fortunately others never will.

Edit - I'll add that FDR also didn't see fit to consider my father human enough to serve with his fellow whites in battle during WWII, and again the "it was the era" excuse is nonsense.

[mikekohr]

46. Rationalizing people's action on the context of their time is an excuse, pure and simple

FDR was our most accomplished president. Period. But his internment of Japanese-Americans is a blot on his legacy. Fairness dictates we acknowlege the strengths AND the missteps.

[Laelth]

38. THIS is a "great" Democrat?

Obama pledges more concessions to business at White House summit

By Barry Grey

16 December 2010

At a five-hour summit with top corporate executives on Wednesday, President Obama signaled his readiness to slash corporate income tax rates, weaken business regulations, cut social spending, and drive up US exports at the expense of the wages and conditions of American workers.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/obam-d16.shtml

That's no "great" Democrat, though it sounds like a pretty-good Republican.

-Laelth

[LWolf]

40. Washington, Lincoln, FDR...take your pick.

Worst? Ronald Reagan.

[mikekohr]

48. Worst GWB, Rapmaster Ronnie not far behind

[Number23]

41. Too late to rec but I can kick!

[Exilednight]

42. Answer: FDR

[Odin2005]

43. Was FDR. Obama is no FDR.

[mikekohr]

47. FDR by far, but President Obama has 6 more years to go

He is rated at #15 after 22 monthes in office, FDR would not have been rated at #1 after a similar period of time. President Obama will rise into the top 10 or higher by the end of his second term in office.

[StevieM]

44. FDR or Lincoln. Reagan was the worst IMO (eom)