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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:29 AM Original message |
It's happening: Obama is making a bee-line for Social Security and Medicare |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. I've been warning Dems in the real world about this for months... |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. it's all in your mind |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Thanks, I didn't see your thread |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
66. Just a note |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
77. since people PAY into Social Sec WITH THEIR OWN $ it is NOT an entitlement |
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cpwm17 (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
100. It is an entitlement |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. that's why I pointed out the difference |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. Only Nixon could go to China.... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. +1 |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #3 |
70. ...and only Bill Clinton could ram through NAFTA, GATT, WTO and "end welfare as we know it." And so |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. I would love to see |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. Fancy that! |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. The payroll tax holiday is just the poison pill needed to get it done too. |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I smell Cat food |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. from the Dented Can Store. nt |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
8. Obama backs boosting revenue for US Social Security |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Don't you know some here would rather be fortune tellers? |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Yeah I know, but I'm sick of their storybook predictions. |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Same here. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
59. You mean like the ones that happened already? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
84. I agree with raising(actually, removing) the cap. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
90. What's storybook worthy? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. rather than JUST cutting benefits or making people work longer |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No, it doesn't. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Agreed - His push with HCR was to reduce Medicare FRAUD. ( from Vendors.) |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. He also said he was for the public option, |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Change is Happening. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. More supply side will boost revenues, right? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. Wish he'd make up his mind... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. Obama, also, said that he would eliminate the Bush tax cuts for those making over 250k. Those ..... |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
89. Suuurre... I'm sold! |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
101. Add that one to the long list of policies the President "favors". |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
104. I just don't |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
10. Obama is turning out to be the the "Republicans Greatest Dream". nt |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
105. And the saddest |
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Vicar In A Tutu (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
11. there are many ways of reading that |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
13. Or it could mean this |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. "Medicare, that is a real problem. If we don't get a handle on it, it will bankrupt us. " |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Yeah, that's a statement made |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. As he took the ONLY effective method "off the table" |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Exactly, just as in 1993 - It's Time for a Real Debate on National Health Insurance - by Jeff Cohen |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. And Enhanced and Improved Medicare for All |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. And then again, it might not mean that. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. And he hasn't done shit since then about ACTUALLY DOING IT! |
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704wipes (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
97. So he should have got the CAP raised in return for payroll cut |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. Entitlement reform - Obama in 2009 ... |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. K&R |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. +1 n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. That Obama even uses the bullshit right-wing word "entitlement" |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
78. WAR BONDS may help, they worked before, but hey, what do I know? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
17. Yep. As of Friday, my 2 Dem Sens have no position, and now we are hearing a vote on Monday? This is |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. K & R for later |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. KIck & Rec & Bookmarked |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. He referenced HCR, which cut Medicare FRAUD. not benefits,--> FRAUD |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
30. The problem with this thinking |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
52. The Social Security Trust fund invested in US government T-Bills. |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. So what you are saying is |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
80. That's not what I'm saying. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. The CBO says otherwise |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. What kind of Democrat makes a bee-line for Social Security and Medicare? nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
37. It actually began with the Health Insurance "Reform". |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. good call |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Medicare wasn't "defunded" |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Extra Payments to Medicare Advantage Plans - only a portion of the savings ... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
87. It was NOT a "health care reform" bill... |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. It was also about transferring costs to the middle class |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. He shouldn't be allowed to characterize our Safety Net |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
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Truth2Pwer (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
49. This is not good...not at all |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. Yes he is |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
51. It has been in the works awhile - |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
53. If the word "entitlement" had not been give such a negative image, Obama would be right |
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felix_numinous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
54. Legal tax evasion is the best example of an entitlement!! |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
55. K&R |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
57. FDR must be turning in his grave |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
58. At some point he's going to go after the teachers. Mark my words. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. That's been ongoing, actually. n/t |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. True but the dems in congress limited what he could do. Now nothing is going to stop him. |
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budkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
61. Who the fuck is this guy?? |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
64. We are in so much fucking trouble. |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Hmm |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:51 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I feel your pain, more and more and more. |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. I feel confident in saying the final straw for many was healthcare. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. Exactly so. What if he does a secret deal with Repugs and with |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
65. IT'S A TRAP!!! |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
68. He has a blind spot for his wars |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
71. "Entitlements": nice Reagan term, Mr. "democrat" |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
72. If he cuts my ability to survive.. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
74. So pissed off I could spit. I've known the truth about Obama since the primaries, |
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FlyByNight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
79. Way to parrot R talking points... |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
81. Actually, I believe it's the mathematicians and accountants that are making the bee-lines... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
82. It's part of his surge in the war against the Middle Class. |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. Yep see post 95 for more |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Thanks! They passed Health Insurance Reform not Health Care Reform. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
83. Vomit. Medicare and SS are NOT the problem. n/t |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
85. It's Reality he's pointing to and he wants to raise the income limit on SS to stabilize it. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Wait until you see the final bill and what's in it before you are so sure. |
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mikekohr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Back at ya -nt- |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
86. The continued evasion of the actual problem... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
94. can I say I TOLD YOU SO yet????? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
96. There's nothing wrong with calling them "entitlement" programs. That's the correct word. nt |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
102. Don't both have their own separate taxes and therefore revenue streams? |
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