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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:06 PM
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Senate Democrats rip into Obama during private meeting


http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=6277B87B-F4AB-4F50-B8B3E5193D6C09BB

By GLENN THRUSH & MANU RAJU | 11/19/10 4:28 AM EST Updated: 11/19/10 1:25 PM EST

Senate Democrats — including typically mild-mannered Bill Nelson of Florida — lit into President Barack Obama during an unusually tense air-clearing caucus session on Thursday, senators and staffers told POLITICO. Nelson told colleagues Obama’s unpopularity has become a serious liability for Democrats in his state and blamed the president for creating a toxic political environment for Democrats nationwide, according to two Democrats familiar with his remarks.

Several senators expressed the opinion that Obama needed to show more passion, while party liberals renewed their complaint that Obama should abandon the pretense of bipartisanship in the face of Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s intransigence and what they consider the Kentucky Republican’s blatantly political tactics aimed at making Obama a one-term president.

Others said Democratic leaders need to clearly spell out what they believe are the motivations behind the Republicans' positions: that they are beholden to special interests, who bankroll their campaigns. If Democrats keep losing the message war, they worry, they will be wiped out in 2012.

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But the complaints are not new. Over the past year, Senate Democrats have expressed dissatisfaction with Obama’s policy priorities, especially his determination to ram through a health care bill against the objections of party conservatives like Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.). The caucus’s left wing, including Vermont independent Bernie Sanders, have argued the opposite point: that Obama’s timidity has led to the defection of liberals and young people turned off by Obama compromises on the public option and economic stimulus.


Sherrod Brown confirmed to the Washington Post's Greg Sargent that the Senate Democrats are clearly unhappy with Obama, though Brown declined to comment directly about the Politico report:



http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/sherrod_brown_obama_needs_to_s.html

Posted at 4:10 PM ET, 11/19/2010
Sherrod Brown: Obama needs to fight harder and "sharpen message"

By Greg Sargent

I chatted with Senator Sherrod Brown this afternoon, and he confirmed in unusually blunt terms that Senate Democrats are unhappy with President Obama over his failure to fight harder in order to draw a sharp distinction with Republicans on kitchen-table issues important to the middle class. "He needs to sharpen his message," Brown told me. "The president needs to make clear whose side we're on."

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Brown didn't comment directly on what happened at caucus, but he confirmed that the general sense among Senate Dems is that Obama needs to be more confrontational towards Republicans, in order to make the difference between the parties clearer. "The caucus broadly wants to see the president stand up and fight and make the distinction clearer than any of us have so far," Brown said.

Brown warned that reaching a compromise on extending the Bush tax cuts temporarily would only further set back Dem efforts to draw a sharp contrast with the GOP. "He needs to articulate every day that he's fighting for the broad middle class, while Republicans are for the rich," he said.

Brown also suggested it would be a setback to such efforts if Obama and Dems embrace cuts to Social Security and Medicare, as Obama's fiscal commission leaders have suggested. "The president has to make clear whose side we're on," Brown said. "The Republicans want to privatize Social Security and cut Medicare. Democrats are on the other side, advocating for the middle class. We need to affirmatively and strongly make that contrast."
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:08 PM
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1. It couldn't have been that private
We're reading about it now aren't we?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:12 PM
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2. "Private" not "secret". It was a closed-door session. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:13 PM
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3. So who do you think the blabbermouth was who squawked to the media?
How long can a meeting stay confidential in Washington?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:15 PM
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4. Brown makes a good point
"The caucus broadly wants to see the president stand up and fight and make the distinction clearer than any of us have so far"

Overall, he's right to challenge the President, and so is his point that Democrats haven't made the distinction clear.

One of the things Democrats need to do is stop complaining about messaging and go after Republicans. Senate Democrats can help. Take the example of judicial nominees, how many of them are calling out Republicans for their obstruction?

The meeting was likely contentious because the caucus is diverse. Bayh has a strategy. Nelson has a strategy. Sanders has a strategy (and I agree with him). The three of them agree that the President needs to get tough on somebody and do it their way. The difference between Sanders and the others is that he actually supports the President's agenda.

The President's strategy should be getting things done and not worrying about the mixed signals coming from his own party. He's not going to change Bayh's opinion.

Now, if they'd all agree that the Republicans are the problem, the message might actually get out.

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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:02 PM
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6. 'Pubs are the problem? But I heard they had good ideas!!!!
:sarcasm:

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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:04 PM
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7. Correct, republicans are the problem. He's tried.
Bipartisanship failed. Now to hone in aggressively on the Republicans and draw the public in even stronger in the fight for what the majority of us want done. Enough of explaining and complaining about woulda and coulda but unified messaging is necessary. The GOPs judges' letter the other day to Senate Republicans to stop obstruction of appointments is a clear indication that Obama cannot do it alone but there are others willing at this point to stand up with him.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/20/gop-judges-letter/
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:07 PM
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8. Isn't that ironic
"The GOPs judges' letter the other day to Senate Republicans to stop obstruction of appointments is a clear indication that Obama cannot do it alone but there are others willing at this point to stand up with him."

It took GOP judges to advocate for judicial appointments, many of whom are progressive.

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:32 PM
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16. Like you'll get a "Unified Message" out of the Dems
I swear we are our own worst enemy

I don't blame Obama as much as I blame certain Dems, that when given the chance resorted to the same old tired partisan pork barrel crap. That alone opened the door for the Tea Party
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 03:34 PM
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17. Well, you know, it's either do or die.
If they can do it with HCR pulling in some our loudest member critics, they can do it now. But I agree with you, I just don't think that the president is so all-powerful that he can force our diverse group to see eye-to-eye but he's Got to try even harder, which I have no doubt that he will do.

As far as the pork barrel, I don't know about you, but I've been hearing the message that even eliminating that would not even touch the deficit. It's just too bad that our side waited too long in vociferously attacking it. People need to be constantly engaged. I really see our leaders (Biden, Pelosi) coming out only when they absolutely have to. The president should not be the only one doing all the talking all of the time, while these nuts are constantly at it.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 01:26 PM
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5. I hope Obama takes what Bernie Sanders says seriously
I would dearly love to just sit and listen to a conversation between President Obama and Senator Bernie Sanders.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:10 PM
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9. ...
"But the complaints are not new. Over the past year, Senate Democrats have expressed dissatisfaction with Obama’s policy priorities, especially his determination to ram through a health care bill against the objections of party conservatives like Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.)."

Oh please, Ben Nelson is a disgrace to the party on every level. He is fully owned and operated by the insurance industry that spawned him. With Democrats like him we have no need of Republicans to give us heartburn. He'd sell his mother for magic beans, and he's already demonstrated that he's more than willing to sell out both party and president. Rather than being catered to, he needs to be smacked down and told to STFU until he can be replaced with someone who actually gives a damn about the people of this country.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:12 PM
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10. Oh, the same senators who couldn't beat even one Republican filibuster in the last two years...
Of course.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:19 PM
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11. I do not disagree with Nelson or Brown's critique.
"The president has to make clear whose side we're on," Brown said. "The Republicans want to privatize Social Security and cut Medicare. Democrats are on the other side, advocating for the middle class. We need to affirmatively and strongly make that contrast."

Absolutely!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:21 PM
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12. Bill Nelson?
:rofl:
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:21 PM
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13. Ahem! It's Politico
Just sayin'
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:23 PM
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14. Politico crap? I'll wait and see
Edited on Sun Nov-21-10 02:24 PM by Whisp
in 2 or 3 days this story will be proven to be not exactly as illustrated.

how many times do we have to do this?

Just another 'everyone has more balls than Obama' meme.

pathetic.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 02:23 PM
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15. Obama's unpopularity ---- Of course the congress that failed to give
us a HCR plan that will work and watered down all too many bills are never to blame.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 05:55 PM
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19. It was Obama who made a secret deal with Big Pharma to gut the HCR
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 04:19 PM
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18. His unpopularity among Repug? Who cares
If the Democratic Senate would have backbone and fix the filibuster rule (which they can in January), they might be able to move the 300 bills sitting at their door step. Are they that stupid to not realize that they are the problem? President Obama can push his agenda as much as he wants but if the Senate doesn't do it's job then what the hell? Maybe they need to get the damn backbone....
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 06:07 PM
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20. Glenn Thrush Again, - NY Post Asshole
who reported Obama would rather spend Veterans Day with the Indonesian military. Dumb ass didn't even know, the President spent vets day with service members in Korea.

Just Google his name...every story he writes about POTUS is negative - full force negative.
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