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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 09:51 AM Original message |
Obama blasts banks for opposing financial overhaul |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. It's about time |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. so when is Obama restoring Glass-Steagall? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. You are framing your issue like there isn't alternatives to Glass-Steagall |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It worked perfectly well for 70 years |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Times change, the type writer worked well for a long time to, but there are times to move on |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Typewriter=Good, Word Processor = Better |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I think that is a silly comparison |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I would think it silly to believe the world hasn't changed a great deal in the last 70 years |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If you think the conflict of interest has changed please explain yourself |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. new regs should address the VOLUME of CDO and MSB sales |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Transparency would do a lot to help |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. insurable interest? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. AIG did not have reserves for the products they were selling |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. no company has reserves at that level jake |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The amount of insurance would have never been written |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. maybe. I prefer to deal with the problem directly |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I prefer to close as many back doors as possible |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Not his job, but it's not forgotten either... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. No kidding. When he calls for that, I'll know he's serious. nt |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Fuck glass steagal |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. 2010 blast Wall Street |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Wow, talk about not giving a person a fair break |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You are really hyperventilating on this thread |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Calling out your obvious anti-Obama agenda is not "hyperventilating" |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. See now you are engaging in the debate tactics you claim to detest |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You keep wanting to distract from the main issue. YOU wouldn't give Obama the credit he deserved |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Where did I do that? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Maybe I read your post the wrong way. Your explanation is reasonable |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. You should probably ask questions instead of going on the attack first |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. that's not a bad idea |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. actually, its clear you werent talking about the president |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. If anything you could say I was talking about the Democratic Party |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. so which claim is the truth and which is the lie? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You are really fishing |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. look jake, you normally contain your contempt |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I'm cheerleading the party to attack bankers in 2010 |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. you wont see that right now because they are trying to restart the economy |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. They aren't going to work with him |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. if they unite against him, it can be a problem |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. They already have |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
17. BTW |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
40. He wants them to take their medicine, now that the US has bailed them out |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
43. I thought the Pres was a corporatist who favored the banks? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. It is only faux outrage and empty words |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. IndianaGreen you would be complaining about soldiers being out of work, if Obama created world peace |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You are doing it again |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Sorry now you are the one guilty of doing it. IG's message is quite clear |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Respond to the assertion that nationalizing the banks would have been good/bad |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. That's better ATJ. In this case IG has made the intellectually dishonest statement |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. There you go |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Now as you are familiar with the rules of intellectual honesty, you know you need to apply it evenly |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Nope |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Sounds to me that you are playing and game and you don't care about intellectual honest |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You are the one who posted rules you can't follow yourself |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Before I call you out, please explain the your use of the term "child" |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You are acting like a child |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. OK, we are through here. You ae the ones playing games (that could be characterized as childish) |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I don't think I've lost one point to you yet |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I was sure you wouldn't admit to losing a point, as you don't believe in the intellectual honesty |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I believe it |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. What specific steps is Obama taking, or has taken, to make the banks behave responsibly? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Woah slow down, you need to support your previous statements |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. This is not Venezuela! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Capitalism is killing us all! You can't reform it. You can't make it benign. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Capitalism is part of what America is. It should not be unbridled, but calling for us to kill it.. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Capitalism is not part of America. Our Founding Fathers were not capitalists |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Don't try to pull the "founding fathers" card on me. You don't want to go there. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. You are confusing capitalism, basically a monopoly system, with 'free enterprise' |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Capitalism is not a "monopoly system". You're the one that has no clue what these words mean. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Obama is a liberal, not a socialist. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. FDR wasn't a socialist either, but he infused a lot of socialism into the New Deal |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You don't GET to define what a liberal is. It all ready has a definition. Look it up. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Is it liberal to support PATRIOT, warrantless searches, rendition, wars of aggression, etc? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I'm for none of those things. But you could be for all of them and still be a liberal by definition. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Let me take back the warrantless searches part. That would be out of line with liberalism. |
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Lilyeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
45. Funny how every positive Obama thread basically calls him a liar. |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Amen. It's like a disease. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
82. Matt Taibbi makes Errors. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. There are two post calling the President a liar |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Consider neither post offered any proof and this is the DEMOCRATIC Underground |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Both advocated stronger responses not weaker ones |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. You are deliberately ignoring the main point which is that it is wrong to accuse the man of lying |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. He just lied on Oprah tonight |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. That is FALSE! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
67. I got a message from some Org when I got home |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
83. The banks opposed it and so did "27 dems". |
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