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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:01 AM
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Uh oh... Obama scraps 2011 departure from Afghanistan back to 2014
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has decided to walk away from what it once touted as key deadlines in the Afghanistan war in an effort to de-emphasize the president's pledge that he would begin withdrawing U.S. forces in July 2011, administration and military officials said Tuesday.

The new policy will be on display next week during a NATO conference in Lisbon, Portugal, where the administration hopes to introduce a timeline that calls for the withdrawal of U.S. and NATO forces from Afghanistan by 2014, according to three senior officials and others speaking anonymously as a matter of policy. Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said Afghan troops could provide their security by then.

The Pentagon also has decided not to announce specific dates for handing security responsibility for several Afghan provinces to local officials and instead intends to work out a more vague definition of transition when it meets with its NATO allies, the officials said.

What a year ago had been touted as an extensive December review of the strategy now will be less expansive and will offer no major changes in strategy, the officials said. U.S. Central Command, the military division that oversees Afghanistan operations, hasn't submitted a withdrawal order for forces for the July deadline, two of those officials said.

The shift, begun privately, came in part because U.S. officials realized that conditions in Afghanistan were unlikely to allow a speedy withdrawal.

"During our assessments, we looked at if we continue to move forward at this pace, how long before we can fully transition to the Afghans? Of course, we are not going to fully transition to the Afghans by July 2011," one senior administration official said. "Right now, we think we can start in 2011 and fully transition sometime in 2014."

Another official said the administration also realized in contacts with Pakistani officials that the Pakistanis had concluded wrongly that July 2011 would mark the beginning of the end of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan.

That perception, one Pentagon adviser said, has persuaded Pakistan's military — key to preventing Taliban sympathizers from infiltrating Afghanistan — to continue to press for a political settlement instead of military action.

"This administration now understands that it cannot shift Pakistani approaches to safeguarding its interests in Afghanistan with this date being perceived as a walkaway date," the adviser said.

The midterm elections have eased pressure on the Obama administration to begin an early withdrawal. Some congressional Democrats this year pressed to cut off funding for Afghanistan operations. With Republicans in control of the House beginning in January, however, there will be less push for a drawdown. The incoming House Armed Services chairman, Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., told Reuters last week that he opposed setting the date.

On Tuesday, a White House official said the administration might withdraw some troops in July and may hand some communities over to Afghan authorities. But he said a withdrawal from Afghanistan could take "years," depending on the capability of the Afghan national security forces.

He also said the December review would measure progress in eight areas, although he declined to specify what those are. Congress will receive a report by early next year, but Army Gen. David Petraeus, commander of U.S.-led international forces in Afghanistan, will not testify.

"This is designed to be an inside-the-administration perspective," the White House official said, adding it will "set the policymaking calendar" for the Obama administration's first six months of next year.

De-emphasizing deadlines also allows the administration greater flexibility in responding to conditions in Afghanistan, officials said.

While the Taliban are facing increasing coalition airstrikes, they have no driving incentive to negotiate with an unpopular government. U.S. officials quietly worry that while they, too, are seeing some drops in violence and the Taliban's hold in pockets of Afghanistan, those limited improvements aren't leading to better governance.

A U.N. report issued in August showed that civilian casualties rose 31 percent during the first half of the year compared with the previous year; 76 percent were caused by the Taliban, it said. More than 400 U.S. troops have been killed this year.

Christopher Preble, director for foreign-policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, said he's not surprised that the scope of the December review has narrowed and that Obama administration officials no longer are highlighting the July 2011 date.

"The very players who were arguing so strenuously for a deepening of our involvement in Afghanistan a year ago are unlikely to now declare that their earlier recommendations were faulty," he said.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013389298_afghanplan10.html

Unbelievable
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:05 AM
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1. no. no. no.
enough already.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:09 AM
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2. Wait! 2014 - 2011 = 7 months.
That makes for the exact sum of 18 months since last year's surge, right? :(
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:12 AM
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3. how many more lives will be lost?
how much more money will be spent?

Jesus H. Christ.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:14 AM
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4. This feels like a war that can never be ended
Step 1: Obama sets new deadline based on politics
Step 2: Karzai fails to meet deadline, pleads for more time
Step 3: Begin at step 1

Repeat for 20 years.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:18 AM
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6. i feel like crying.
about a year ago i heard a guy who was an expert on afghanistan. he said the people do not want foreigners fighting in their country. young men will join the taliban -- not because they believe in them, but to fight those who are invading their country.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:18 AM
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5. Just bring them home.... We can no longer sustain this war...
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:31 AM
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7. 2014 was AWAYS the date of withdrawal of Combat Troops
2014 was date announced by Hamid Karzai as the time Afghan army took security. July 2011 was the date areas of Afghanistan would be turned over to the AFghan military, allowing the withdrawal of some NATO combat troops. Whether there are less troops on the ground is another matter. Given the state of the Afghan military. if you can call it such a thing, who know but there should be less in the front lines.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:38 AM
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8. what exactly is "unbelievable" about it?
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT!!!
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 07:53 AM
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10. Ahh this is the new outrage of the day
It seems to be a new one everyday. Got to hand it to them though they keep it fresh. I think a group of us should get together at the end of the day and bet on what the new shiny outrage will be for the upcoming day. At least make a little change off of it.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:49 PM
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12. yes it is INDEED a new one every day
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 01:49 PM by Skittles
as for change? hope? NOTHING NEW THERE.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:19 AM
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9. What's all the fuss about? I've been calling Vietghanistan for 2 or 3 years. And in 2014 it will
be like the troop withdrawl from Iraqnam. We just announced a few days ago that we're going to put $500 million into the US embassy in Vietghanistan. I knew something was up when I read that. It fits with the "promise" of closing Guantanamo Bay. That's now nearly a year overdue and counting. Don't ya just love the change?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 08:22 AM
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11. What BS

US eyes strategy for Afghanistan transition, withdrawal

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The United States remains committed to a strategy to draw down US forces in Afghanistan starting next July but is studying the "pace" of the transition, a senior official said Tuesday.

US President Barack Obama "has been clear that we will begin in July of 2011 a responsible transition to Afghan security forces from American combat forces," the official said on condition of anonymity.

"What's not clear... is the pace of that transition. And the degree to which (US troops are withdrawn) and how far we go how fast."

The official said an annual review of the US strategy is being prepared which "will help the president and his national security team make assessment about the pace of the transition that begins next summer."

more


AP source: US reviewing its Afghanistan war plan

By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer Robert Burns

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration has begun its review of whether the administration's Afghan war strategy is working well enough to start withdrawing U.S. forces in July, an official said Tuesday.

The review is being conducted so the White House can measure whether Obama's 2009 order to commit 30,000 more troops has resulted in progress in the decade-old conflict.

It will be presented to the president in mid- to late-December, said a senior administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal White House deliberations.

Obama said his troop escalation was needed to break the momentum of the Taliban insurgency and to bolster the Afghan government. The review is supposed to determine whether the war strategy is on track and whether it is progressing as rapidly as possible.

Numerous senior military commanders and administration officials, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates, have said they are encouraged by signs of gradual progress in the battle against Taliban militants. But they also have said a lot more needs to be done before Afghanistan can stand on its own.

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