Anyone knows what's president Obama's I.Q.?

[impik]

He must be at least borderline genius. There's just no issue he can't deal with. It's crazy.

[global1]

1. What A Contrast From Our Last President.......nt

[depakid]

2. As far as I can tell, he's shown no aptitude for math & science

and I'd be curious to see how well he would do with pattern recognition and matching, as he seems to miss those sorts of things on the job.

[vaberella]

13. Really...His explanations for the economic reality and oil spill and uses say otherwise.

Ditto for stem cell research and abortion rights...and so on.

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[treestar]

30. Never a positive thing to say, ever.

[cliffordu]

149. Yep. I dunno why that one even bothers.

[HughMoran]

36. Vulgar anger

:eyes:

[Whisp]

66. maybe it's a vulgarian?

:rofl:

[HughMoran]

71. Never thought of that

The planet Vulgar is in the Binomial Nomenclature system, no?

[depakid]

104. Just some simple observations

Angry would be how one might feel about torturers, banksters, fraudsters and every manner of corrupt public official and corporate criminal receiving "get out of jail free cards."

As implied below, what difference does it make if the President's not into maths and science?

:shrug:

It's not perquisite for the job.

[SeattleGirl]

106. Goodness, but how is it that you have the "inside scoop" on

whether he's into math and science or not?

[depakid]

108. I'm just looking at the evidence throughout his career

Have you seen or heard anything different?

And why is that such a big deal for people?

[Hekate]

142. Why did you bring it up?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

136. He can see the White House from Australia.

[HughMoran]

107. You've been observing him from 10,000 miles and this is your expert opinion?

It makes a difference in that you feel compelled to take swipes at the President repeatedly for no apparent reason - thus people logically assume that you must hate the man :shrug:

[depakid]

111. I've been observing from two nations for many years.

and LOL -no, it's not logical at all to "assume that a person hates another" when they makie an observation about that person's demonstrated aptitude (or lack of thereof) in any given area.

[HughMoran]

113. Of course this is the first time you've unfairly and brutally slammed the President?

:shrug:

[depakid]

115. Nothing "unfair" or "brutal" in any of this

Pretty objective stuff, really.

If you have a different assessment based on the record to date, you're certainly free to cite instances in rebuttal.

[HughMoran]

118. Never

You're always right.

[suzie]

152. Objective? According to you, everything that Obama does is wrong.

But suddenly, when it comes to guessing his IQ from 10,000 miles away, your conclusions are "objective"?

Hysterical.

[CBR]

42. I would like to match your intelligence against his. nt

[NJmaverick]

43. What are your qualifications/credentials to question the President's intelligence?

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

45. And how far is it that you can tell?

Done some testing, have you? Seen the results of those tests? Or, is as far as you can tell about an inch from your nose?

What on earth qualifies you to make a statement like that one? What is your expertise? Do share it with us, won't you.

[flamingdem]

47. This comment would be coming out of the lower part of the IQ bell curve nt

[MineralMan]

48. Here's a simple math test you can take, to see if you match

up with President Obama. It's just one question, so it won't take more than a minute or so:

1. If there are five people at the table, how many slices of an extra large pepperoni pizza will each get?

Be careful, though...there's a trick to answering this question.

[Ikonoklast]

51. "As far as I can tell"...

It's a good thing that you can recognize your serious limitations.

[Dr.Phool]

57. Dazzle them with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit.

Hard to say.

[depakid]

102. Well, the "oil rigs don't cause spills" statement back in March pretty much proves the point

Particularly since this:





happened just 6 months earlier off the coast of Western Australia.

Fact of the matter is- the man hasn't shown any aptitude for maths and science- and with a background in law, I'm not sure why anyone would expect him to. Not his forte. And there's nothing "wrong" with that, the sciences aren't for everyone.

I guess people will project onto him what they will, regardless of the evidence- which in and of itself isn't exactly the mark of intelligence.

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[dionysus]

94. oh for christ's sake.

:rofl:

[Skittles]

139. it's not cult-ish, dionysus

it's NOT :rofl:

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[Number23]

103. lol I'd take his intellect and abilities over yours ANY DAY OF THE WEEK

and twice on Sunday, as the old folks used to say. And not just as leader of the free world. I'd take his abilities over yours for just about anything.

Keep posting, hon. With every post your true colors shine brighter and brighter.

[jgraz]

116. Wow, your objective response seems to have generated some true hysteria

Apparently, even implying that Our President is anything less than a SOOPER GEEENIOUS is tantamount to joining the Tea Party. Reminds me of North Korea's treatment of Kim Jong Il's golf game.

Bookmarking for the next time someone asks me what's wrong with the Democratic party...

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[jgraz]

141. Well, not as good as desperate white people are at playing the race card.

But you already knew that. :eyes:

[ima_sinnic]

147. wow--where did that come from?

real bottom of the barrel stuff--when there's nothing else to fling, accuse of racism.

stay classy.

[tabatha]

3. Heard 170.

[depakid]

4. err....

[vaberella]

14. Post # 6 says your graph might be off...and the poster w/ 170 is leaning correct. n/t

[depakid]

16. Err...It's not "my graph," it's a frequency distibution based on the mean and the standard deviation

of the test scores.

If you've ever had a teacher at some stage who graded on "the curve" as opposed to objective criteria and competencies set out and met- or not met, this is what they're doing.

There is of course, a bit more to- and of course, normal distributions don't describe a good many situations one encounters and wants to analyze.

IQ scores are however, a classic application. Learn about it- and learn how and when to apply it.

Once you do, you'll be able to laugh along with the rest of us when certain, all too common assertions are made.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

135. Thanks for that graph!

I knew that Mensa requirements are 2 SDs above average -- 130, top 2% of the population.

3 SDs above is 1 out of 1,000 people. There are high IQ societies for people who score 3 SDs above average. There's the Triple Nine Society and the Prometheus Society.

I have never been a member of Mensa or the 3 SD societies. Although I could have.

I want my President to be the smartest guy in the room and to understand complex issues.

Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are the smartest presidents in my lifetime.

[Hekate]

143. I also want my Prez to be the smartest guy in the room, and afaict, Obama is that

What Barack Obama has in addition to innate high intelligence and drive is social smarts. The only one better at that is Bill Clinton, imo, and the Big Dog is also formidably bright (Rhodes Scholar) and driven.

I have a strong feeling that both Obama and Clinton could, if they chose, present their SATs and join tomorrow. But why would they want to? They are surrounded at all times by people just as wonky as they are, just as immersed in the subjects that drive them. (I don't remember enough about the younger Jimmy Carter, sorry.)

Mensa measures only part of intelligence, but you know that. Now you can usually get a good conversation (or six) out of a roomful of Mensans, and meet some very capable professionals at whatever they work at -- but I don't know how many would be attracted to politics as a career. Hard to say -- the average person is turned off by hearing about Mensa, so a person entering public life would be advised not to mention it in the first place...

Hekate

[Mass]

23. Most IQ tests can only measure up to 160 and down to 40.

The normed distribution goes from 0 to 200, but most tests cant measure the extremes.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. And I remember hearing 126 -

which still ain't shabby. That's about 30 points higher than his predecessor.

[JitterbugPerfume]

41. I am sure President Obama is smarter than me

[MineralMan]

46. And I'm certain he's smarter than those questioning his intelligence,

too.

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. There's smart and there's smart.

His tested IQ may or may not be higher than mine, but his social IQ is WAY higher than mine. What makes him formidable is that he's got a decent intellect AND a strong social IQ - he does extraordinarily well at personal interactions and with public speaking. Reagan did what he did just on the strength of his social IQ - his tested IQ was probably very solidly average. Carter has an extremely high IQ - possibly the highest of any president since the founding fathers - but his social IQ sucked, and that's what killed him. Bush2 had neither, but had the backing of an organization that could provide cover for his intellectual and social shortcomings

Obama has the right mix, IMO.

[Hekate]

144. You said it much better than I tried to.

Thanks :hi:

[DrDan]

19. don't you think the water-walking surpasses the well-documented 170+?

[NJmaverick]

53. What exactly are you saying?

[DrDan]

54. I think it is quite clear - let's get real

Einstein and Stephen Hawking are in the 160 range. Are you suggesting 2/3 of a standard deviation above them?

[NJmaverick]

56. Einstein never took an IQ test so I am curious as to where you got your numbers

so I guess what you are saying is people you don't like are not allowed to have high IQs.

[DrDan]

58. look it up . .. and I never said that - you did

[NJmaverick]

59. No one said anything about walking on water, but that didn't stop you from

making that comment.

[DrDan]

60. waht does that have to do with "liking" someone?

[RaleighNCDUer]

63. Curiously, when i was a kid it was 'common knowledge' that Einstein's IQ

was @ 180 - now, the 'common knowledge' is @ 160. I wonder how much that has to do with the disfavor the right has for him, for his pronounced pacifism and his refusal to work on the Manhattan project (even though he was largely responsible for getting it started).

[DrDan]

91. 160 - 180 - the point is that he had a very unusually high IQ

do you think BO is in that range as well? Seems there are those who think 170 is about right. Do you think he is in the same range as Einstein and Stephen Hawking?

[RaleighNCDUer]

92. No, I don't. As I said above, it is certainly higher than average but

more in the range of 125-135, I'd guess.

I mean, if he was so smart, why'd he hire Rahm? :evilgrin:

(On Edit)

OTOH, his actual IQ could be considerably higher, but it is not apparent because his "social IQ", his ability to relate to people, is so well developed that he is able to reflect back to people a sense of equivalency, like anyone could talk to him as an equal. Not that he'd be trying to hide his intelligence, but he wouldn't (as too many very intelligent people do) let his intelligence set him apart. So I could be underestimating when I say 'well above average'. I don't have the "social intelligence" to suss that out - I am, in fact, something of a moron that way. People baffle me.

[NJmaverick]

44. If I had to guess, I would have pegged it in that range

the man is brilliant, there is simply no way around that fact.

[Stuckinthebush]

134. Highly unlikely

I'm sure it is above the second standard deviate but not the 4th.

My handy unit normal table doesn't go above a z of 4.00, but that shows me that at 4 he would be at the 99.997 percentile. This means that only .003 percent of the population would have a higher IQ.

Very unlikely.

[katanalori]

6. Google provides MANY answers.......

I don't know if this is true, but it is interesting:


"The former Guidance Counselor of Obama's private Hawaiian school has supplied The Washington Post with a certified copy of
Obama's Stanford-Banai IQ Certification, one of which was taken in 1966 when he was a kindergardener in Hawaii before moving to Indonesia, and one which was taken as entrance protocol as a freshman in his private (extremely exclusive) Honolulu private highschool.

His IQ was clocked at 172 and 166 respectively (IQ's normally have a fluctuation of 6 or 7 points from test to test so that discrepency is normal).

That puts Obama in the certifiable clinical genius category.

Obama's campaign is apparently NOT HAPPY about The Washington Post preparing to disclose this, because they fear it adds to his reputation as not an "everyman" and being too "elitist".

FYI-- HRC's certified IQ is 140."


http://www.eons.com/groups/topic/894197-Obama-s-IQ-The-Highest-Of-Any-Pre%20sident-Ever

[Hekate]

145. Very interesting. Btw, it's "Stanford-Binet" test.

I'll just bet his campaign's not happy about that leak of private information. They're quite right that the majority of people don't want to know if someone is actually smarter than they are, especially in politics.

It's one reason that DimSon's inadequacy wasn't nearly as much of a handicap as we thought it would be, especially when combined with backing from one of the most powerful families in the world.

What a weird country: Bush (born into the aforesaid most powerful family) was not considered an "elite," but someone that Joe Sixpack would want to have a beer with. However Obama, whose family sacrificed to make sure he got a good education and who himself worked like a dog to get where he is -- well, god forbid he should be smarter than average, because that's "elitist"!

Hekate

[FrenchieCat]

7. They've got him in a range between 130 to 148.....

http://www.obamainspires.me/barack-obama's-iq.html

[martymar64]

98. That is the range I would guess as well

He is clearly extremely smart. Mine was tested at 137 so I know that anybody in this range is no slouch.

What surprises me are those here that are getting upset at any suggestion that Obama's IQ is anywhere below 170. They're acting like somebody called him a moron or something. An IQ is just a raw number quantifying one's ability to acquire knowledge. It's not a predictor of a person's morality or of their success/failure in life. I am happy that he is much more intelligent than his predecessor.

[madmax]

8. Super Smart and that's good enough for me.

Wanna know my bra size :P j/k

[zbdent]

21. Isn't there some sort of study that pointed out

the larger the bra size, the lower the man's IQ as he started at it?

;)

[madmax]

137. lol nt

[bigwillq]

29. I like your answer!

"Super smart" is better than any number! :)

[madmax]

138. Yeah, numbers pffffft.

I know a few assholes with high IQ's - still too stupid to live. :evilgrin:

[Clio the Leo]

9. But I dont even think it's as much natural intelligence....

.... as it is a DESIRE to learn. ... It was Ann getting him up at 5am all those years ago stressing to him the importance of READING (a skill I never mastered.)

I remember him meeting a Joe Blow citizen at one of his burger stops ... he was making small talk with someone in line and asked where the man worked, he said he worked for some gvmnt agency that the President was not familiar with (it was very obscure) ... and it was like a light went off in his brain, you could see him almost saying "I do not know about this! Must learn more!" and you were left with the idea that he would be requesting some documents about said agency for his "light bed-time reading." lol

It is that DESIRE to learn, coupled with his desire to build a consensus that will take him far (ha!) ... and we get to ride along.

[denimgirly]

11. Yup, it's all about Desire...Not some silly IQ #.

And so this is what baffles me with Obama..it seems like he cares but is afraid to fight for what he believes in.

Bush may have had a very low IQ but his desire to get republican things done was high..hence he was very successful (for republicans)
So IQ is a stupid made up #.

[Clio the Leo]

31. He's not "afraid," he's "aware"...

... aware of the logistically reality of the US Congress and that one needs more than "cojones" or "guts" or "courage" to get a bill through Congress.

What you NEED .... is Ben Nelson.

This notion that Congress didn't produce more progressive legislation because the President didn't want to fight is, quite frankly, a steaming pile of boo boo.

[treestar]

68. Bush did not strike me as having "desire" to do anything

He just struck me as a puppet.

Obama does not seem to want to push the rules aside like the Republicans do. That's not lack of "desire" or "fear."

Yeah the Rs had the "guts" to tell us that our security depended on our taking a dim view of the Bill of Rights. That's the real cowardice, really.

[denimgirly]

10. I.Q. is worthless seeing as how $$ from Special Interests is the real Measurer.

I am still amazed anyone puts any value in IQ for anything. It is really a worthless #.
E.Q. has more value...and virtually all in Washington have very little of it.

[readmoreoften]

12. A million billion gazillion brazillion.

[depakid]

17. Given some of the absurd responses, it might as well be

[dionysus]

96. .

:nopity:

[displacedvermoter]

55. Cubed!!!

[superduperfarleft]

90. No, silly, it's 170.

Or "in that range."

[rug]

18. 3007.

[tavalon]

20. I believe he's one of the smartest men on the planet

I'm not sure he's the best President we've ever had nor that he surrounded himself with the best and brightest to help him in the hardest job in this nation. I've been quite angry with him and with many in his administration, but I've never doubted the man's intelligence. He's scary smart and he's a policy wonk. I wish he would do better at the politics and I know he has it in him because I remember candidate Obama.

But I've never doubted his intelligence. He's like Martin Sheen without the great writing of Aaron Sorkin and yet, he's really got the smarts that Aaron imbued upon the whole of the cast of West Wing. (not saying any of the fine actors on West Wing aren't smart - but they had great writers!)

[Mass]

22. I unrecced not because of president Obama, but because of the use of IQ as a measure of

Obama's adequacy.

IQ tests measure such a small subset of skills that he could have a 155 IQ and still be a total idiot without heart or practical sense. Or he could have a 130 IQ and be a wonderful human being.

But no doubt he is very smart and compassionate.

For that matter, Bush has an IQ of about 130 (I know it is funny to say he is a dummy, but he is not, just a selfish bastard).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Bush Had A SAT Of 1207 . That Roughly Correlates To An I Q Of 120 Or So

JFK's IQ was 119.

Not surprisingly Nixon had a high I Q.

[jgraz]

34. You mean the guy he paid to take his SATs got a 1207.

I don't think Bush could spell SAT.

[krawhitham]

35. +1

[lunatica]

24. His IQ is higher than mine and I like it that way

[treestar]

69. me too, I never understood that theme that it was good to have a

President you could just shoot the breeze with, have a beer with, that an ordinary person is a good one to put into leadership positions.

I rather have the smartest people we have in them.

[RichGirl]

26. I don't think IQ is everything...

...but it's a very big part of who a person is and what they can accomplish. As president of the U.S. and leader of the free world, probably the most complicated and high pressure job in the world, IQ should be tested and definitely disclosed to the voters so they can consider it along with other qualifications. (Also a psychiatric evaluation...that would disqualify Bachman and O'Donnell.)

Imagine...we'd never have the likes of Palin run for office or even McCain who was 4th from the bottom of his college graduating class. We wouldn't have had Reagan, I bet, and definitly not GWB.

[Eryemil]

27. "There's just no issue he can't deal with. It's crazy."

Unless you're a homo, but they don't count as people anyway.

[DrDan]

28. or one who thinks torture and killing are bad things

[ima_sinnic]

148. yes, he dealt so well with the issue of military aid to countries that abduct children

pretty crazy, that, in a not-funny-haha way.

Yes, only a genius could think through the multilevel moral and ethical implications of subsidizing the recruitment, abuse, and murder of children and still find those practices acceptable and even worthy of financial support from the taxpayers (i.e., it's not a decision that has to affect him "personally"--how altruistic!--and it's so comforting to know a genius is there deciding how best to spend the tax dollars squeezed out of me).

I'm sure when it comes to a toss-up between benefits for American citizens like infrastructure improvements, jobs, tax breaks for the middle class, and health care and education versus weapons and materiel for child soldiers, the need to pay for child soldiers is far greater, but only a genius would be able to see that.

[Dr Morbius]

32. My IQ is in the low to mid 130's.

And the President seems to be a LOT smarter than I am. I do not believe IQ is an accurate way to measure intelligence; I do not believe intelligence can be measured, really. But I can tell you this: he's brilliant.

[Fire1]

33. He is indeed the smartest one in the room! n/t

[AngryAmish]

37. You can generally get that from his standardized test scores

What did he get on the SAT or LSAT?

I am a bit of an IQ determinalist but anything over 120 means you are smart enough to be President and the rest comes down to temperment and leadership skills, both of which the President has tons of.

[treestar]

70. Must have been good LSATS - he got into Harvard

And high college grades, too.

[Arkansas Granny]

38. There's some debate as to how accurate I.Q. tests are and what they really measure.

I found this article to be pretty interesting.

http://www.audiblox2000.com/dyslexia_dyslexic/dyslexia014.htm

I have known people with a really high I.Q. who were incredibly dumb and people with a low I.Q. who were quite smart. While a higher I.Q. may mean that a person has a greater ability to learn, it doesn't necessarily mean that he/she has the desire to do so.

[Pathwalker]

39. 89 gazillion, 700 trillion, 998 billion, 400 million, 897,685.

Am I close?

[Enrique]

131. way too low

why do you hate Obama so much? ;-)

[mcollins]

40. Oops,

I said just look at his test scores, but- when I went to look myself: http://www.kids-iq-tests.com/d-prez.html

Barack Obama's estimated IQ score range is 130 to 148 and quite possibly higher. However, nowhere on the Internet can anyone locate Obama's IQ score. His college transcript from Harvard is not available and I cannot locate his college GPA, his SAT score, or his LSAT score, or any other tangible evidence of his IQ score.

However, after performing a bit of research the facts were uncovered reflecting his LSAT score while attending Harvard Law School. To much disappointment, we do not know his actual LSAT score. However, we found that the average LSAT score for all Harvard students during Barrack Obama's college years were 171. Furthermore,the percentile rank for an LSAT score of 171 at Harvard during Obama's college stay were 98.8 %

MENSA will accept LSAT scores as a means of qualifying for MENSA membership. Please note that MENSA also accepts up to 200 various IQ tests as well other tests of mental acuity. The LSAT score required for MENSA membership is equal to a percentile of 95% or higher. Thus basing Barack Obama's estimated LSAT score of 171 ranks him in the top 98.8% percentile range which is clearly above the lowest acceptable LSAT percentage rank of 95% which clearly affirms that Obama has a qualifying intelligence quotient that would allow him acceptance into MENSA.

Since MENSA accepts many different IQ tests as well as other tests of mental acuity to qualify for MENSA, it is safe to estimate that Barack Obama's IQ score could range anywhere from a low IQ score of 130 based on the Stanford Binet IQ Test, to a high IQ score of 148 based on the Cattell IQ Test. Note both of these tests are acceptable tests that MENSA will accept for membership.

[superduperfarleft]

49. *sniff*

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Not high enough to recognize all people as equal, we know that.

And low enough to ascribe those prejudices to an unseen being who demands such prejudice. Genius is as genius does, you know.

[TheKentuckian]

52. My estimate is and has been 137. Intellect is not his issue but ideology and circle of advisers.

[proteus_lives]

62. IQ tests are bullshit anyway.

[jgraz]

64. We're just lucky to have such a super genius in charge. Otherwise, we might end up losing the House

Oh wait...

[Ikonoklast]

67. And when 'we' don't?

President Obama will still be president.

[ampad]

72. As much as some of them hate it

Yes he will.

[jgraz]

79. Yep, he'll still be listed as holding the office

We'll see how much power he cedes to the Republicans.

[treestar]

73. Well that's dumb

No one said being smart meant the capability to control the entire nation.

[jgraz]

74. Yeah, it's not like he's the head of the party or anything

:eyes:

[HughMoran]

83. He's not God

Though making him into one makes him a fun and easy target for those who don't risk anything by supporting anybody. Ever.

[jgraz]

85. Nice to see you finally realize that

However, he is the leader of the Democratic party and he does have to be accountable for their political defeats. If Obama had used a different strategy than the one you supported (and the one I criticized) -- maybe one that was less accommodating to the far right -- we might not be facing an electoral drubbing next week.

[HughMoran]

97. Maybe kicking his teeth in will help?

Never having any skin in the game is easy - you'll never see me take the easy way out.

[jgraz]

101. Nice violent imagery.

Does someone need a time out?

[HughMoran]

109. Seemed appropriate

I often imagine people who can't stand the President and attack him unmercifully might not be the most kind to him in person.

[jgraz]

110. You need to work on both your imagination and your sense of propriety

Your comment is over-the-top and disgusting. Even for you.

[jgraz]

105. While we're on the subject...

exactly what "skin" do you have in the game? I helped get Obama elected with a shitload of donations and volunteer hours, both in the primaries and the general election. (Of course, no citizen need do anything to have the right to criticize our leaders).

I'm too busy for a ton of volunteering this election cycle, so I've upped my donations dramatically to people like Russ Feingold, Alan Grayson and Tom Perriello.

Now, unless you actually work for the White House, how is it possible for you to have more "skin in the game" than that?

[HughMoran]

112. I don't run away from supporting the actual imperfect human being once elected

It takes a lot more guts or "skin in the game" to support the person who isn't the ideal to progressives "Grayson" or "Feingold" - unless you can imagine these people being anybody at all without the Democratic Party supporting them. Oh, and these guys have a history of not particularly bucking the system when the time comes to support Democrats, so I see this as, once again, the idealistic "say the right things" versus the pragmatic "DO the right things" argument. I'll take DOING over TALKING any day of the week. I know who get's it done and who sits on the sidelines attempting to take credit for the work of dozens of hard working people in the party. We all give time and money - but if it's selective to only those who speak the ideal "progressive" language versus ALL of the hardworking people in the Democratic Party who help make this coalition of cats work (somehow), then I think you're taking the easy way out. Anybody can put on blinders and pretend that legislating is easy - just root for your progressive in the House or Senate - right? That's not politics - it's like only rooting for Larry Bird or Hank Aaron and forgetting that the player would be nothing without a team around him or her. Enjoy your sheltered environment - you know, the one you and others accuse Obama supporters of living in - except you have it exactly backwards.

[jgraz]

114. "it's like only rooting for Larry Bird or Hank Aaron "

No, it's not. A political party is not a sports team, and President Obama is not your favorite superstar athlete. This is a lesson that most of us learned after a couple of months of actually working in actual politics.

It sounds like your "skin" consists mostly of posting on this board. I hope it makes you feel better, cuz it doesn't gain one "fan" for your "home team" or your "superstar".

[HughMoran]

119. Thanks for the enlightening discussion

Nothing ever changes - we're all emotionally invested in our positions and there will be no listening or learning - just more personal insults.

[jgraz]

120. Maybe next time you can avoid accusing me of wanting to kick the President's teeth in.

Things might go better for you.

[HughMoran]

121. Ah yes, a parting shot

How appropriate.

[jgraz]

122. Sorry, did you want the last word?

It's a bit juvenile, but if it will make you feel better, go ahead and post. I promise I won't even read it, let alone respond.

[Mimosa]

127. Good point, JGraz

JGraz said: "I helped get Obama elected with a shitload of donations and volunteer hours, both in the primaries and the general election. (Of course, no citizen need do anything to have the right to criticize our leaders)."

Me, too. I contributed mucho bucks, which was tough considering I don't have much. And i worked hard from the earliest days after Obama's announcement through the election.

I've noticed here on D.U. that the members who have expressed the most disappointment with the President's actions or inactions are we who were the most committed to getting him elected.

[jgraz]

130. I guess it's just easier to say you "support" Democrats

than it is to actually *support* Democrats.

The next time someone says you don't "support" the President, ask them what they did in 2008. I bet you'll hear crickets.

[Ikonoklast]

75. They want a dictator.

Of course, the philosophy some of them follow all devolved into dictatorships bwhen put into actuality, so, it's what they're used to.

[ampad]

76. Yes because it is ok

If the dictatorship is coming from our side. Seems to be the same way Bush thought when he made his famous comment about it being ok as long as he is the dictator.

[jgraz]

78. Well, it's OK when corporatism, war and warrantless wiretaps are coming from "our" side

At least according to some on this site.

[jgraz]

77. Nope, just a leader who does what he says he's going to do.

Oh, and holding the House might be nice while he's at it.

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[NJmaverick]

80. Why blame the victim? Why not put the blame where it belongs?

[jgraz]

81. Wait... the Leader of the Free World is now a *victim*?

Holy crap, is there no length to which you'd go to excuse poor job performance?

[NJmaverick]

84. This is a Democracy and even a President can be injured

by massive amounts of over the top and unfair attacks. When the "Professional Left" joins with the right wing smear machine join forces doesn't matter who is in the White House or how great or historical the accomplishments are, their popularity is going to take a serious hit.

[jgraz]

86. So President Obama was too weak to stand up to Jane Hamsher.

Maybe we should have elected her.

[NJmaverick]

87. Jane Hamsher joined by Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Glen Greenwald

and the rest of FAUX news and the rest of Fire Dog Lake and Huffington Post and Jon Stewart and Karl Rove and the Tea Bagger Movement and so on and so on

[jgraz]

88. So the President's political strategy failed against his critics and his opponents

The political strategy that you supported, I might add.

[NJmaverick]

89. The President's political strategy succeeded as he has enacted more progressive change

Then any President since FDR. The problem is his reputation took a beating by the combined efforts of the professional left and the rightwing smear machine to slime him.


If you are going to use a term like "political strategy" you should try to use it correctly

[jgraz]

100. I'm sure all that alleged "progressive change" will continue under Speaker Boehner

:eyes:

Failed political strategy is failed political strategy. No two ways about it.

[NJmaverick]

126. Thanks to the professional left, all progressive change is most likely

ended. They will most likely give themselves a big round of applause for their accomplishments.

[jgraz]

129. Yes, Jane Hamsher destroyed the president's eleventy-dimensional chess game

You do realize how ridiculous you sound, don't you?

[QC]

132. No. n/t

[jgraz]

133. !

:spray:

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[USArmyParatrooper]

151. Let the record show jgraz believes the President's intellect is related to Congressional elections

And thus, indirectly called Bill Clinton stupid.

[Dr.Phool]

93. This one is a classic.

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Rodney Dangerfield just can't get no respect.

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get laid!

[Egnever]

123. +1

[LittleBlue]

117. Probably 120-130

People tend to exaggerate IQ's, throw out numbers like 160 as if many people have it. 160 is very rare. 140 or more is very, very smart.

[zulchzulu]

124. Mine is 150 and he sure is smarter than me... n/t

[mtnsnake]

128. hahahaha...I've read enough BS from you to know that your IQ is 80 maybe 85...TOPS!!

Anyone who posts on an anonymous forum how high their IQ is is either lying through their teeth or completely insecure. Your pick.

You did get one part right, though, the "he sure is smarter than me" part. LOLOLOLOL!

[Dr Morbius]

146. Well, I posted my IQ above.

Which means you are insulting me, and I did nothing to you. I wonder if you can support your claim; I see no logical reason to apply such a blanket statement.

[zulchzulu]

150. Looks who's stupid...

I rhymes with moo.