Democrats are supposed to believe in government....Er nevermind

[Armstead]

We can't have a GOVERNMENT RUN health plan!

yeah we can put up some figleaf and call it "as good as a public option." But it's got to be run and owned by the insurance companies.

Those insurance companies deserve it after how well they have been treating the public all these years.

Can't have any pointy headed government bureaucrats involved. No, it's much better to have pointy headed corporate bureaucrats.

These are fucking Democrats?

Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't the Democratic Party win a significant victory last year?

I guess my idea of Democrat is different than what the Democratic leadership -- and their rank and file apologists believe these days.

Corporations Good. Government Bad. Conservatism Good. Liberalism bad.

Rinse and repeat.....We must practice that if we are to remain loyal Democrats.

[PBS Poll-435]

1. I was so pissed watching that Rose Garden ceremony today!

What a fucking sell-out Obama is for signing that Corporatist hand-out of a bill.

:grr:

[Armstead]

2. Republicans are the party of the Markets. Now Democrats are the other party of the Markets.

[HughMoran]

3. Darn, you fixed it - thought it was a new skin cream "Dermocrats"

:)

[Armstead]

4. At least I didn't forget the "c"

[HughMoran]

5. Rank and file don't want this shit - it's the Repulicrats forcing this shit into our faces

This isn't a Democratic proposal any more - it's a corruption caused by fake Democrats who care more about insurance companies (Lieberman) & getting reelected (Lincoln, Landrieu & Nelson).

[Armstead]

6. I say kick 'em out...let them become Republicans

We need a two party system...Not one in which one of the parties is watered down by members who don;t believe in any guiding principles

[HughMoran]

7. Fine with me - at least then we wouldn't have to hear the "filibuster proof" meme any more

It'd be nice to at least have consistent arguments here.

[ieoeja]

8. If they manage the public plan, following public rules, does it matter that much?

Obviously, adding a middle-man increases costs. Which is why every gov't program has always increased in cost when outsourced (which makes GOP rank-and-file support for outsourcing just more evidence of the sheer stupidity of GOP rank-and-file).

Bottom line: it appears we are bribing the insurance industry to let us install a public option. Not ideal, but better than not having a public option.


Let's face it, anything short of national healthcare is treating the symptom, not the problem. As soon as it becamse clear that national healthcare wasn't going to happen, this became a fight over minutae. Which is why I will shrug and be happy for what we can get: expansion of medicare, health care subsidies, coverage for pre-existing conditions.

[snake in the grass]

9. The more control this corporate pond scum gains over...

...our lives, the sooner the people will wake up to the fact that they are powerless. Critical mass will be reached and that's when real change will happen.

[Armstead]

10. That should have happened 15 or 20 years ago.....

The prob,e is tghat there is no political vehicle to counter it.