In 2012... The Democrats will be hooting at the Repubs

[Peacetrain]

Because all the hand wringers will be on stage asking in the debates oh what did the Obama administration actually accomplish in the last 4 years.. and the haters will have to bite their lips and listen to


1.The Iraq war ended

2.The Afghan war ended.

3.The closing of GITMO

4.The trials of the Terrorist plotters and finally and end to it.

5.The ending of torture as a policy of information extraction

6.The largest tax break ever for the middle class

7.The saving of the economic engine as the world almost spun into another great depression

8.Protection from hate crimes acts for everyone.

9.The enormous infusion of money into research in American colleges.. sending us back into the race for new technologies.

10.The enormous infusion of monies into the green industries and conservation of the planet.

11.A national health care bill in place.

12.The resurrection of the American place in world politics as a partner


Now seven of those have already been accomplished. You have to wonder what the right is going to run against. Success? A need to return to the Dark Ages?

[derby378]

1. I hate to say this...

...but last time I heard, torture is still being used at Gitmo and certain other military and CIA installations.

[Peacetrain]

3. Link that please.. It is offical American policy..

[Clio the Leo]

6. No fair! You beat me to it ........ lol.....

... I was in the middle of brushing my teeth. It's hard to type. ha ha

[Peacetrain]

8. I hear you.. I am getting ready for work.. and typing and brushing teeth

is a skill I have yet to accomplish

[derby378]

7. Here's what I have so far

Within days of Obama's inauguration and subsequent announcement that he would close Guantanamo, prisoners say authorities introduced new regulations and revoked previous privileges at the prison.

"They took away group recreation for prisoners in segregation, which was the only time we saw anyone," Gharani remembers. "They took away the books we had from the library. They even sprayed pepper spray into my cell while I was sleeping, so I'd wake up unable to breathe."

Gharani says he was beaten so badly by guards that he is still suffering pain today.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/11/10-0

[Occam Bandage]

11. That article specifically claims that "No one is alleging a return to [torture]."

The poor living conditions alleged by the article are certainly problematic if true, but calling every potential problem "torture" doesn't help anything.

[Peacetrain]

14. Actually the article says the opposite.. that there has not been a return to torture

[Clio the Leo]

4. Yeah ........... we're gonna need a link for that one.

Cite your source please. ;)

[leveymg]

2. Don't count your chickens too soon. Lots of promises, but very little has actually happened so far

And, I don't enjoy having to say that.

[Peacetrain]

5. Well seven have already been accomplished

And the rest are in the process.. I personally think that is amazing in and of itself

[leveymg]

9. How do you count 7? 2 times X plus one? Only 3 have actually occurred,

[Peacetrain]

13. Seven yep

Don't you think our position in the world has improved drastically.. Heck even Russia is working with us to try and nukes out of Iran.. please don't tell me you need a link for that one

January 23, or 22, the President signed into law, that torture will not be part of information gathering by the United States.

Green promotion, off the charts

http://green.tmcnet.com/topics/green/articles/50701-analysis-president-obamas-new-green-stimulus-law.htm

Money for research:

http://smoont.com/science-get-1476-billion-for-research-from-obamas-administration-for-next-fiscal-year/

Terrorists being put on trial in teh United States.. you surely do not need a link for that

Biggest tax cuts ever for middle Americans

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_02/016948.php

Do you really need a link to how far down we were economically and the jump start that was needed?

[leveymg]

15. I counted the first, but not for the same reason. Ditto torture

Nukes are central to the Senate Bill, so if you think the US has gone "green", that's not really happened. Furthermore, more than 60 percent of those firms that are receiving these funds are foreign-owned.

Money for research hasn't really amounted to much, as yet, and never really was a whole lot of money compared to the unmet need for federal aid to student loans.

Nobody at Gitmo's been given a fair trial, yet.

That "biggest middle-class tax cut ever" amounts to a few bucks less withholding each paycheck, some of which will have to be paid back by millions because an error in the way it was calculated.

The unemployment rate is over ten percent by the officially used BLS statistic ,and closer to 20 percent under U6. The stock market is riding another bubble inflated by expectations of further Treasury guarantees. Google "Pangloss Value". Trillions have been thrown into the bottomless money pit leading to China that was known as Wall Street. The Federal Gov't has not demonstrated a willingness to reform the financial system, just an uncanny ability to throw money at the major players who are "too big to fail." The hull of this system is sure to fail again, and there won't be any federal resources next time to raise it back up above water.

No, I don't think that's so much of a record of accomplishment that we can all rejoice and count on to keep Democrats in office. In fact, I believe we will lose a shocking number of seats next year, just as we lost Virginia and NJ Governors races, because the Party leadership has failed to deliver the progressive agenda expected by the base. Don't count your chickens - we may end up back as the minority party run by Blue Dogs.

[Peacetrain]

16. Well there is nothing I can say to you.. Because I see it 180 degrees

opposite.

Oh we could lose seats.. and probably will. I mean the odds of taking three straight elections is infinitesimal.

But to refuse to acknowledge our accomplishments is playing right into the rights hands.

And we have accomplished much!

[leveymg]

19. I wish I were wrong.

And, believe me, take no pleasure in these observations.

[dionysus]

10. #2 might be an issue, but otherwise i agree.

[Peacetrain]

17. That will be a toughie I agree.. But I have "hope"

If we get Bin Laden we are out of there pronto.. And for some reason, I think the Pakistanis are going to get him for us.. Just to get us out of there.

We have a pretty big footprint..and they want rid of us, as much as we want rid of them'

But I agree,, it is a tall order

[dionysus]

18. really? i think the dude has been deasd a while. anyways, never hurts to hope!

[old mark]

12. Yeah, but Obama took a vacation and won the Nobel Peace Prize,

and he made friends with Russia, and he was born in Africa.
Socialism.
Maverick.
Rogue.
Teabaggers.

Glenn Beck will run in 2012.
:rofl:

mark

[brooklynite]

20. Sad to say, even if all of these are accomplished, most voters won't care...

about items 3, 5, 8, 9, 10 and 12, and will care about 1, 2, and 4 only if they know someone in Afghanistan or Iraq or new someone affected by 9/11. MOst voters are not political activists. They'll be worried about their own economic situation first, and abstract national economic trends second.

[BR_Parkway]

21. And still no GLBT promises kept by 2012? Will we still look selfish

and premature then or could we begin legitimately griping about it without being accused of wanting ponies?

[madfloridian]

22. What about women's rights?

I notice you do not mention that.

[unhappycamper]

23. Maybe #1 and possibly #2, but I doubt the others will occur.

Sorry. :shrug:

[Peacetrain]

24. But the others have... see post 13

:hi: