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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:55 AM
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Something's Up With Iran
Something's Up With Iran

Posted by Joe Klein Friday, July 30, 2010 at 10:49 am
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Charles Krauthammer today dignifies Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent lunacy--he predicted a U.S. and Israeli attack on two middle eastern countries--by taking it seriously. Ahmadi's foreign policy pronouncements are usually ill-informed, hateful nonsense designed for domestic consumption; it's the Supreme Leader and Revolutionary Guard who control that show. Last September when a group of Time Editors interviewed Ahmadinejad on the morning that the Qom reactor was revealed by President Obama, he shocked us by seeming totally unaware of this development--he hadn't been given his talking points yet. I'd trust Ahmadinejad, a deft footballer in school, more in his ruminations about the octopus that predicted World Cup results.

But Krauthammer is right that there's something going on, something very important, with Iran--something that he and his fellow neoconservatives didn't anticipate. (Indeed, no one did.) The sanctions are working; they're having a major impact on the Iranian economy. The powerful bazaari community has been shocked not just by the universal support for the sanctions, but also by their comprehensive nature. Iranian ships are sitting at their docks because they international community is refusing to insure them. Banks that have done business with Iran in the past are refusing to do so now because the UN sanctions--that's right, those "weak" UN sanctions--target them as well. The Iranian economy, a stagflation fiasco before the sanctions, is cracking.

As a result, the Administration has been receiving all sorts of feelers--public and, for the first time, private--from the Iranians about resuming the negotiations on the nuclear program.
Recently, the Iranians have promised not to enrich their uranium to the higher 20% level they threatened earlier--and proceed with the uranium exchange plan they negotiated with Turkey and Brazil. That's not sufficient. Any negotiations must take place within the IAEA matrix, with the UN Security Council's 5 permanent members, including the U.S., plus Germany. I'd hope that the Obama Administration would insist on a concession--a meaningful sign of good faith from the Iranians--like increased access for IAEA inspectors and the release of documents relating to their nuclear program that the IAEA has asked for, and not received, in the past--before any new round of negotiations begins. Too often in the past, the Iranians have used negotiations as a stall; they have to understand that's no longer possible. (If necessary, to preserve Iranian national pride after a century of being ordered around and messed with by the colonial powers, this can be done quietly.)

There were those, led by, uh, Charles Krauthammer, who denigrated the Obama Administration's patient and wise efforts to include Russia and China in the sanctions regime. As it happens, that diplomacy--a real achievement, by the way--seems to be having an impact. Who knows? It might even work.



Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/30/somethings-up-with-iran/#ixzz0vBYVTDCv
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:58 AM
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1. The window for war may be closing because Obama chose diplomacy...
That is good to know.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:08 PM
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2. You got that right Ozy nt
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:59 PM
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8. The Window for War in Iran Is Never Closed
So long as Republicans and the NeoCons walk the earth.

They need war in Iran in order to hold office.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 01:27 PM
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9. No, they just need people terrified to hold office. n/t
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 11:49 AM
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14. As long as NuttyYahoo is alive
that window is wide open and letting all the goddamn neocon bugs in.
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Knight Hawk Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:46 PM
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18. Maybe but probably not
It is not just the Neocons and the Repubs that want to bomb Iran.AIPAC ,the Israeli lobby in the U.S.The ruling party of Israel ,the Likud,also want it .Israel will get a 2 for or 3 for if it attacks the nuclear sites.Most likely Hizbullah ,Hamas ansd Syria will retaliate if Israel attacks Iran,Hizbullah for sure, and from the Israeli POV they MUST do something about HIZ and its 40,000 rockets.The Israeli helicopter that crashed this week in Rumania ???????? was training how to shoot missels into tunnels such as are in Iran.Today in a big meeting in Beitrut of the top leaders of Saudi Arabia ,Syria and Lebanon ,the Syrians did not back down an inch and warned anyone not to attack Hizbullah.IMHO diplocamy and /or sanctions are not going to work.Too many strong leaders want a clash and the Arabs /Persians are more confident than ever they can withstand an Israeli assualt.This is dangerous.They do not fear total annihalation,they think that between the damage they cause the Israeli public and /or the U.S. stopping things before it gets too crazy,it will be a "tie" which they interpet as a victory.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:09 PM
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3. K & R
:thumbsup:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:10 PM
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4. Very good news
If the sanctions lead to productive negotiation, it greatly diminishes the hard liners here and over there. Next stop Palestine.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:10 PM
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5. Sadly, Iran is holding hostages.
3 hikers.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:34 PM
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7. Hard to believe they have had them for a year.
There has been relatively little coverage of it. Or I have just been distracted by other things.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:23 PM
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6. let's just hope these aren't the kinds of sanctions that Iraq went through
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 12:24 PM by Whisp
during the 90s. Half a million kids dead.

sanctions give me the creeps, but fortunately Obama is in charge here so I have just a bit of hope that things won't get murderous on this round.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:55 PM
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12. I believe they really tried to focus the sanctions on Iran's Revolutionary Guard and
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 11:56 PM by Pirate Smile
keep it from falling on the people. I don't know if that is really possible but it was a definite aim. After the Green Revolution, everybody knows there is a large Iranian population that doesn't back the current government. They don't want to hurt the people but they do want to weaken the government and make it impossible (or very painful) for them to try to get nukes for bombs. They don't want to give the Iranian Government a scapegoat for all their problems - blame it on the West, the US, etc. to help them rally the people to back them and blame "outside influences". Tricky to do - and only effective if you bring along everybody - like Russia and China - to actually enforce the sanctions.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 04:42 PM
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10. kick
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:59 PM
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11. It's almost as if there are grown-ups in the WH
Oh yeah, there is! I'd almost forgotten how much better that is than little boots.

Julie
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voteearlyvoteoften Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:16 AM
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13. REC
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 12:18 PM
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15. kick
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 02:42 PM
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16. GIngrich thinks we should declare war on Iran and NoKo.
The GOPs answer to everything is either cut taxes or declare war.

God, these people are mindless morons.


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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:28 PM
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17. That is just so insane.
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