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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:06 AM Original message |
Franken to Netroots: "we don’t have enough progressive votes to pass the agenda you and I want." |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Electronic voting dictates who controls Congress. nt |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. +1 |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. +18181 |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. You would really think that Al Franken, of all people, would be on top of that issue |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. Spot on. K & R. n/t |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. Conservadems |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. The Ugly Truth |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. The good news is that when you actually break down survey questions and word them in a way |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. The MSM beats the "liberal is a dirty word" drum daily |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. It wasn't liberal |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I have no interest in a six-month-old debate.... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Obama himself tried to tell you |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. That's rich coming from somebody spewing GOP talking points. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. 8% of the 25 million |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. They set aside a trillion dollars to help pay for coverage |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. For several reasons |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
64. There are things you ignore |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Several false assumptions |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Exceedingly negative narratives |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Kinda strange interpretation |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. The Obama rejected or didn't want this or that nonsense |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You under represent his influence on the process |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Not sure I understand your tax complaint |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. House plan had a tax increase on the rich |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. While rejecting your description of the cadillac tax |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I do know Obama advocated for the cadillac tax |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Its the effect of them |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Not sure which "them" you refer |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 05:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
92. +1 (n/t) |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Too true |
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rury (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
43. President Obama and Rahm Emanuel are NOT |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Unsupportable assertion |
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rury (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Your post is an unsupportable assertion |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Quite to the contrary |
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rury (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
87. Obama cannot achieve his legislative goals alone |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
86. Draw me a blueprint to how we get a non-conservadem elected in Nebraska and you'll have a good point |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. The netroots didn't want Brown or Merkley |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. So he supports our efforts to replace Blanche Lincoln? |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Is Blanche Lincoln progressive? |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. He said we need to elect Senators like Bernie and Sherrod.... |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
89. Yes, Virginia, there will be someone like Bernie or Sherrod |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. I'm pretty sure its safe to say the answer to your question is no |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
55. So there are only two candidates in Arkansas? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. yes there are three candidates in florida |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Do you agree with the DLC'ers here who are supporting Frist in Florida? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. i support the Democratic candidate in Florida |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
91. There will be 4 way race for US Senate in Arkansas come November |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
90. Not True! |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. He's wrong! Just wrong! We do have the votes, if... |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. If it is true that we DO have the votes, then why aren't they working harder? |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'm tellin' ya.... |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Exactly! I think Sherrod Brown has been a giant puppet. I think he has been an amazing leader |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. ...and chants! Giant puppets get their awesome power from chanting! |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. Al is absolutely right. The problem is that the White House seems to hold a disdain for... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Oh nonsense. The admin does not 'hate' liberals |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I'm not talking about the rhetoric or curse words. I'm referring to actions! I'm referring to |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. So, his failure to appear on cable tee-vee shows |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Apparently you do not read well. He DID meet with liberals only after they kept pushing for it... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. A lot of your criticisms are fair. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
45. Obama appointed lots of liberals. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. That remains to be seen |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. What about his cabinet? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
94. Those appointees to the Supreme Court are not liberal. Left of center? Yes .............. |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. The great thing is he's been on the outside with us, and reporting from the lions den he's letting.. |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
27. HA! Even Franken is gettng bashed by the "progressives".. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen to bash Franken. (nt) |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. I think Al's been a decent Senator so far. |
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WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. Al is right (Again) |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
29. You know about sweeping "dust under carpet?" That's |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
30. Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. Conservadems can either start voting liberal or lose the liberal base |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
34. The problem with this is that the time to be progressive is when you had |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 07:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. We do NOT have "progressive" majorities.. why is that so difficult for some of you to understand?? |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. If you and the leadership of the party continue to maintain |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. The promise of Progressive Change is a DLC campaign tactic, nothing more. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. In THIS country we haven't had a progressive majority since LBJ |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #52 |
95. LBK didn't have a progressive majority either, but he knew how to lead and get conservadems to ..... |
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rury (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. You keep referring to "overwhelming majorities" |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. Exactly. There was never enough Progressives---especially in the Senate. n/t |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
96. Yes. The adults in the room know the reality. And the reality is .......... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. once again this does not work if there are Dems who won't vote for it. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #80 |
98. In that case ...... |
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jamalhernandez (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
38. Wait...didn't Rahm claim that once Al Franken was seated everything would be a-ok? |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
42. A-f'in men Senator Franken! |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
49. good god |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
50. fantastic. n/t. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
51. Unfortunately true. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
59. Good speech. Franken is a realist. I hope Democrats are listening to him. nt |
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Stoic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
63. He's right but if we had a progressive president who'd twist arms... |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. You can't twist the arms of Blue dogs |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
75. I wish they would stop with the meme that coverage has been expanded |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-30-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Totally agree. Insurance != Care. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
79. The nation is overall Republican and we have Dems who are borderline or kissing repub butt. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 06:38 AM Response to Reply #79 |
93. The nation is not overall Republican. |
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grillo7 (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-10 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
83. I |
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andym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
84. Franken is being Captain Obvious here |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-29-10 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
85. The way it needs to be done today |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-31-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
97. This is why I really like Franken -- He's progressive _and_ level-headed. |
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