Lefty critics of the Dems, you're about to be scapegoated.

[Stoic]

The Dem. Establishment have been out there building the meme that if the Dems lose in November it's going to be because of you mean, mean, disloyal Lefties with your big fat critical mouths making them look bad. After all, they been fighting the good fight against impossible odds. It's nothing they're doing wrong.

"We could have won the war if it wasn't for those damned Lefties."

I feel a little sorry for Howard Dean and Van Jones out there exhorting everyone not to lose hope and keep supporting the Party and the President. They're right, of course, but it's a damned difficult argument to make to a "reality based community" (or what's left of us).

[Vinca]

1. Someone tell them we're not sheep - like that other party.

[RBInMaine]

6. You also can't be a constant complainer dissatisfied with anything short of purity. Are you happy

with ANYTHING that has been done? If so, can you spend time talking about THAT as well? And, there has to be unity and strength in numbers to win in politics. Do you get that?

[zipplewrath]

14. If my answer is no, do I just shut up?

Quite honestly, I haven't found alot in this administration to get excited about. Other than his work in the area of nuclear arms, I've opposed much of what the administration has done. There are things that they have "allowed" to be done, such as Leadbetter, and some other legislation that predates them. And of course there is much that would have been "much worse" under a McCain or Romney. But in all of that I can't find much to "talk about" that I can talk about positively, unless just saying "it sucked but it could have sucked worse" is considered positive.

Given that, how is one suppose to participate in the body politic without be considered a "constant complainer"?

[Donnachaidh]

21. the only purists involved here are the ones calling dissent *complainers*

Dissent is vilified by the purists who want everyone to go along with everything. Namecalling and marginalizing is something that is a repuke tactic, evidently learned and utilized by some.

[Kelvin Mace]

24. Hmmmm

Good vs bad for the Obama Administration

good: Bush/Cheney are no longer in office committing varies frauds and war crimes.

bad: The only people being prosecuted for Bush-era crimes are the whistle blowers.

good: Health Care Reform

bad: The reform is so watered down that its failures will bury its successes, and thus the whole idea will be discredited and eventually rolled back.

good: Obama is to the left of Bush/Cheney

bad: Obama is to the right of Richard Nixon on the environment, welfare, and workplace safety.

good: We will leave Iraq/Afghanistan

bad: Not so you would notice.

good: Financial reform

bad: Inadequate stimulus, reform designed by the very people who caused the disaster in the first place. Bank's/Financier's profits protected, working class thrown to the wolves.

good: Sotomayor and Kagan

bad: Both are to the right of the people they replaced. Also, thanks to the spineless Democrats during the Bush years who refused to filibuster Alito and Roberts, the court will now be in the hands of the hard right for the next 40 years. Any win liberals may gain at the ballot box or in congress will be overturned.

good: Torture is no longer going on

bad: We hope. The rules and laws that allowed it have not been repealed and no one has been charged with war crimes. "I was just following orders" is now an acceptable defense.

good: Administration is calling for closer scrutiny for military contractors.

bad: Blackwater is still in business and we are still giving them cash by the fistfull. Mercenary organizations completely above the law continue to operate in the name of the American people, making us more hated every day.

good: Obama treats LGBT in government better than Bush did.

bad: Not much better. Still defends DOMA, and doing so in court withe full resources of the Justice Department, in a vile and dishonest manner.

good: Obama's a science based guy on global climate change

bad: Not so you'd notice. Climate change legislation pretty much dead.

good: Obama talks shit about Fox News.

bad: Administration continues to treat them as a legitimate news organization and give them credibility by granting interviews.

good: Obama is a tech geek.

bad: Tepid to non-existent support for Net Neutrality and other important tech laws.

good: Moved quickly to deal with Gulf oil spill.

bad: BP pretty much runs the show. Coast Guard and local law enforcement acting as goon squad for BP, helping keep out the press. Government agencies have actually assisted BP in suppressing data damaging to BP.

good: Things are looking not so grim in November.

bad: Because the GOP is more mercenary and incompetent that the Dem leadership. If we had simply delivered a public option on health care, just that one desperately need, highly sensible program, we would be crushing the GOP in November. Instead, our hopes rest on the Tea Party being crazy

Seems that every good thing that was done was then countered by a bad thing, sometimes a worse thing.

We still have damaging unemployment that is grinding away people's daily lives and futures. We still have an administration that worships at the altar of Milton Friedman instead of John Maynard Keynes. We are locked into two wars that have exceeded World War II in length, and will soon exceed Vietnam.

Sorry, no matter where I look I see opportunities lost, promises broken, and dreams murdered.

I do not say this in anger, but in bone-weary resignation to the inevitable, self-destructive stupidity of humanity, of the triumph of naked greed over compassion and rational thought.

[geek tragedy]

25. Well, if you bothered educating yourself on some of your supposed

indictments against the current administration (example: Congress overrode Nixon's veto on environmental legislation--get back to me when that happens with Obama as President, and the stimulus was not a giveaway to the rich).

Also, forces in Iraq will have been reduced by 90,000 in August.

Not the admin's fault you weren't paying attention.

[Dhalgren]

27. How many US paid mercs are replacing them?

An equal or greater number? We will never know for sure because this government is no more transparent now than it ever has been...

[Kelvin Mace]

57. Agreed

I am sick that any portion of my tax money is used to fund these thugs.

[Dhalgren]

80. Yes. If it was wrong when the Republicans did it,

it is wrong when the Democrats do it. The US war machine grinds on, killing, maiming, destroying for empire - and who is at the helm? "Thugs" is dead-on...

[704wipes]

103. you do know the foreign mercs are guaranteed US citizenship

if they live through all the killing they do for us.?

I've often wondered if the right wing would be pro-war if they knew it was adding to the 'brownish' population
of their Amurica?

Another thing to consider is that this is a lot of killers to be adding to our country, no matter their color.

[Kelvin Mace]

42. You offer rebuttal for two of my points

what about the rest?

To answer your points:

1) I don't know which bill you are referring to. According to the record, Nixon proposed the EPA and signed the legislation.

http://publicaccess.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/publicaccess.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=217&p_created=1087594315&p_sid=F8oPcg6j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD0xOTYsMTk2JnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

According to the publication "The Guardian: Origins of the EPA," President Nixon declared his intention to establish the Environmental Protection Agency with Reorganization Plan Number 3, dated July 9, 1970. Reorganization Plan Number 3 can be found in the Congressional Record, Vol 116, H 6523 (91st Congress, 2nd Session).

The only comparable thing Obama has had an opportunity to do was the Climate Bill, which he has failed to lead on, and now thrown in the towel for.

Oh, and while today Obama's administration is grudging in unemployment benefits, parroting GOP talking points about the defecit, Nixon signed laws expanding food stamp eligibility.

Again, Obama is to the right of Nixon on these issues.

2) As to leaving Iraq/Afghanistan, troops levels may be down in Iraq, but they are up in Afghanistan, with no real time line for complete withdrawal. People are dying every day, we are killing them, and we are making the next generation's terrorists from today's orphans.

[geek tragedy]

46. Nixon had all of those environmental rules forced on him by Congress.

He vetoed the Clean Water Act and then refused to spend money appropriated by Congress to enforce it.

And you miraculously ignore the role that Congress plays in all of this. Environmental legislation is dying because of Congress, not Obama.

"Grudging in unemployment benefits." A lie on your part.

[Kelvin Mace]

54. The president's job is to lead

and Obama has held his fetish for "bi-partisanship" to be more important than effective leadership. When Obama didn't fight for the public option, congress threw it away. Obama worked hard to preserve his political capital for so long that now it's pretty much worthless. No he won't do anything, because the elections mean you don't rock the boat. After the election it'll be more of the same even if we keep our majorities. The after a year of "bi-partisan" efforts, everything gets shelved for his re-election campaign.

I don't see how I am lying when I describe his grudging actions on unemployment benefits. A TRUE leader would have made a prime time speech about how important it was, and hectored the GOP daily. All Obama was pay lip service to it, and let Reid and Pelosi do the heavy lifting. Being president means twisting arms and using the bully pulpit. When congress sees a president leading, they follow. The Democrats certainly busted their ass to give George Bush practically everything he wanted.

BTW, you can disagree with opinion, but calling me a liar is just rude. I do not believe I have made any ad hominem attacks on you, so why resort to name-calling?

Yes, I am aware of Nixon's veto on some environmental laws, but HE PROPOSED FORMING THE EPA AND THEN SIGNED THE AGENCY INTO LAW. Name ONE thing Obama has done on par with that? How about OSHA? What has this administration done tat comes even close to that? We have the worst mine disasters in history, the worst oil spill in history and not even the hint of a prosecution. Instead we have the spectacle of the Coast Guard acting as goons and errand boys from BP. Now he has rolled-over on climate legislation.

(BTW, many defend the Obama administration by saying it's only been two years. Well Nixon did all that I mentioned in his first two years.)

Nixon was bigoted, anti-Semitic, paranoid and power mad, but goddamn, he has accomplished more liberal policies than Obama has.

I listed FOURTEEN points, and so far the best you have come up with is Nixon vetoed the Clean Air Act.

Yes, I know Obama can't do it by himself, but he CAN LEAD, and he has completely abdicated that role. He's like Clinton in that he seems to triangulate on issues, but ALWAYS moves to the right in the end. He listens to scum like Rahm Emmanuel and carefully does what is in his best interest, rather than the country's.

I am tired of "political pragmatism", because all we dirty fucking hippies have done for the last two years is suck it up. Why should I make the slightest effort at this point of my time or money to help people who have nothing but contempt for my views?

Obama has alienated his base, and the only hope he has in November is that the GOP candidates are insane. If November goes well for us, the Dem leadership will see it as a vindication of their actions. If it goes badly, they will see it as proof they need to move further to the right. Either way, justice, common sense, prudent fiscal policy, morality and peace are screwed.

[boppers]

58. What would a TRUE SCOTSMAN have done? eom

[unapatriciated]

84. We are in a catch 22

Obama has alienated his base, and the only hope he has in November is that the GOP candidates are insane. If November goes well for us, the Dem leadership will see it as a vindication of their actions. If it goes badly, they will see it as proof they need to move further to the right. Either way, justice, common sense, prudent fiscal policy, morality and peace are screwed.

That's how I and many of my friends and family feel. if I stay home in November I run the risk of the right regaining seats...... If I go to the polls and we retain seats I send the message of approval. Screwed no matter what action I take.
I live in Georgia so I might as well sleep in.

[Autumn]

92. Very good post. I'm just

thankful it's not McCain. Of course what kills me is it could be, and should be so much better.I understand your lasts sentence so well. Thank you.

[steve2470]

104. great summary, ty nt

[Phx_Dem]

28. +1000

[Exilednight]

86. Sorry, but the President is not a dog and does not need to be praised ............

every time he does something good.

And truth be told, he's caved on the important issues.

He's had several minor victories, but nothing to really hang his hat on.

HCR is a complete joke without a real PO. And before you start on about the OPM non-profit plan, let's be clear, it's just a way for the government to funnel money to for profit insurance companies through a non-profit organization.

WS reform never touched the big problem, mainly over the counter derivatives and speculation. He's allowed "too big to fail" to grow even larger by using tax-payer money to buy out weaker big banks.

He just backed up Bush-era FISA laws, something he campaigned against.

His "change" within the beltway saw him fill over half his upper cabinet with beltway insiders.

Am I pissed off at the president? Yes, he campaigned to the left and is governing to the right. And don't give me any bullshit about how it's all Congress' fault. It's a two way street and the president plays just as important a role. Nothing becomes law without his signature.

[WonderGrunion]

65. And yet you still taste good with mint jelly

Go figure. :shrug:

[azmouse]

75. Among the best responses ever!!

:rofl:

[msanthrope]

89. I am in awe of this response,

Rarely is one witness to such a sublime level of snark.

[Hekate]

91. >snmfk

:rofl:

[RetroLounge]

94. Kudos...

:rofl:

RL

[donco6]

2. Duh, ya think?

Sorry to make light of your comment, but we've all seen it before. It happened with the gays twice. You'll see here on DU how "some" people will talk about how the Left doesn't really matter, it's a small minority, they can win it without us, blah blah. And then after the losses pile up, they'll come back and talk about how we "sabotaged" the election.

They can't have it both ways. Either our votes do matter - ergo, what causes us to cast those votes matters - or they don't.

[Kelvin Mace]

3. I have all but given up making any difference

We, the American people, shall get the government we deserve due to out willful ignorance, our bigotry, our laziness, our selfishness, and our fear.

Thinking is hard, so few people bother. Just turn on the TV and watch American Idol, and all the other "reality shows" full of people we can feel superior to. Ignore true reality, Jesus will save us, and send people we don't like to Hell.

The only good thing about the last century is that Hitler rose too early, and thus did not benefit from having his own show on Fox, media morguls like Rupert Murdoch to echo his hate with a worldwide reach, and a Nuremberg Court presided over by people completely willing to rule all his actions legal.

The only good thing about the next century is that nature may get the last laugh and wipe out any remaining humans murdering other over the last box of Sugar Frosted Flakes at Wal-Mart.

[Jennicut]

4. No, it will be because independents did not vote for Dems.

The base is not the issue here.

[JVS]

11. I'd laugh my ass off if they scapegoated the independents.

[Ken Burch]

37. I'd be amazed if they finally admitted that the independents aren't to the party's RIGHT.

n/t.

[RBInMaine]

5. Given all that has been accomplished and the Tea Party alternative, Lefties have every reason to

strongly support Dems and Obama. THAT is reality.

[Stoic]

7. So, we have no alternative but to suck it up and STFU.

Great rallying cry.

[RBInMaine]

8. Didn't say that. But then again, incessant complaining is no "rallying cry" either. Are you happy

with a single thing Dems have done? Anything at all? Do you ever talk about that too, or is just bitch bitch bitch all day long?

[Donnachaidh]

22. namecalling is a tactic of the rightwing

Evidently it's *okay* to use those tactics to shut down dissent.

[LostinVA]

52. "complaining" "bitch bitch bitch"

uh huh

[Chan790]

100. I'm really not.

I consider this to be the most sold-out and inept Democratic regime of my lifetime. Truly a waste of my votes and my efforts. Yes, they've lost me for 2010...I don't care.

If they want me to show up in 2012, the President had best find his Doc Martens (the ones monogrammed "These Boots were Made for Kicking Ass.") and stop Mitch McConnell from eating his lunch every day and on every issue. He might want to start by cleaning out the sycophants surrounding him too.

[SunsetDreams]

9. "Great Rallying Cry"

As was your hyperbolic OP:woohoo:

The Republicans thank you. They are great at spinning what is actually happening. You did all the work for them. Bravo!

[Stoic]

15. The Repukes have the cowardly Dem Establishment to thank.

Not me and people like me who say the Emperor has not clothes.

[SunsetDreams]

18. nah, an opinion doesn't make it fact

nor does hyperbole

[Tesha]

12. As always :-(. (NT)

[Autumn]

93. Vote for me. I'm not a

republican.( I just play one on TV) That will get us every time.

[Chan790]

97. What accomplishments do you see?

I see the most dominant electoral performance and mandate in recent history squandered daily. The idiot masses yell "3d Chess" and I think How this 3d chess looks so very like checkers played by a child who doesn't understand the game?

If all I had to persuade me was the President's "accomplishments", I'd probably never vote again. The Tea party is exploding faster than a propane tank in a campfire. They're not electable. I know people who work for the RNC who are voting for Democrats to keep the extremist Tea Party candidate in their district/state out of office. What else you got? Thus far you've got nothing.

Leftists have no reason to support anybody who doesn't support left ideals. We've seen no indication from this President or more than half this Congress that they deserve our support. They'll probably get it anyways...but they don't deserve it.

You remind me of the kid in middle school who insisted for 2 summers that the Yankees played at the Meadowlands in NJ. Swore that Yankee Stadium was part of the Meadowlands complex. Repetition of absurdities does not make facts of them though.

[Arkana]

98. Have you taken a look at our Congressional majority's makeup

or are you just convinced that the House has 260 Anthony Weiners and the Senate has 58 Bernie Sanderses?

You don't get to bitch about us being myopic.

[Chan790]

101. Um, yes.

1.) That's not the left's problem. We did not elect Ben Nelson. We did not elect Joe Lieberman. We did not elect Harry Reid. Given liberal alternatives we'd work twice as hard to see them booted out on their asses in the primaries. (We saw Lieberman given the boot. He was sent back to Congress only because he pulled 70%+ support from Republicans in the GE running as an independent.)

2.) That is why we need a strong White House capable of bullying its' agenda though Congress. This administration couldn't put a scare in Fraidy Cat. The root of Congress's failures start in the West wing.

[Arkana]

112. And the current White House did not elect Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman, either. Or Harry Reid.

And you have to stop thinking that there is some firebrand liberal alternative in every state in the union--just as firebrand wingnuttery does not catch on everywhere, strident liberalism does not fly everywhere either.

[becxx]

102. LOL

That's funny to me. I have no reason to vote Dem in November and I've been a lifelong Dem. I'm planning on voting for the Green Party whenever I can -- this is a first for me. Obama and his righties in the Senate have convinced me the Dems should not be saved. It's time for a new party. Obama is the biggest phony and bag of sh*t of them all. That's my opinion on this.

[SunsetDreams]

10. Unrec for hyperbole

[MadHound]

13. Oh please, this is nothing new,

The left has been scapegoated for all recent Democrat failures, Kerry and Gore are but two examples. Yet when it is apparent that the left is the deciding factor in Democratic wins, instead the accolades are given to "independents" and such.

[SwampG8r]

109. further back than that in my life

the left cost the dems the elections in 68
or so they said at the time
the party is always ready to blame groups other than itself
the lefties the indies the women the blacks the gays
pick one any one we all spend time under the bus

[WI_DEM]

16. do you have a link or is this your opinion?

[saltpoint]

17. And not only that, I heard that Tim Kaine is going to

outlaw lawn furniture.

[mstinamotorcity]

19. We as Dems

should not follow the lead of what is reported to us in polls or on news media outlets. Independents are not members of the Democratic party they are members of the independent party ( disenfranchised repugs). Most of them joined the party with the election of President Obama.If we as a party want to change the talking heads we must get out there and do what we need to do to make the difference. All this complaining about what we haven't gotten as of yet, isn't doing any of us any good. We must continue working until we get some of the things we want. And in order for some of the things we want to stay in place it needs to be legislated in so that it doesn't sunset out like the Bush Tax Cuts need to be. And with a shitty congress in place with corporate loot, it is going to be hard and a tough fight just to get small increments put in place. And if you want to let the repugs take back control then you get what you do not vote for.IMHO!!!!

[DevonRex]

20. Oooh goody, AND you get to play the victim again, tooo!!!!!! Your very favorite thing!!!!

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

39. it's a two-fer

:thumbsup:

[Bobbie Jo]

44. Except.

[DevonRex]

70. But it does have the zero accountability factor taken care of nicely, doesn't it?

They'll take the credit if there is any movement to the left. Check.

Victimhood claimed once again. Check.

Zero accountability should Republicans regain control. Check.

Drama? Gotta work on it.

[ProSense]

23. Oh my

What are you suggesting: that they don't try to excite Dems; that we ignore the Dems; that poor Howard Dean and Van Jones are doing even though they have secretly lost hope and are only trying to help the President?

Here's an argument from the "reality based community." Somewhere out there Jon Corzine is going on with his life. Many New Jerseyans on the other hand, aren't going to get the rebate check that was at the heart of the election debate. Instead, the new Republican Govenor has decided that the rebates will be issued in the form of property tax credits. My guess is that the amount will be a lot lower than last year, and here is the rub: our property taxes went up. In short: shell game.

Like it or not, this election is about us. It's our agenda that's at stake.

[geek tragedy]

26. This is preemptive whining and declaring self-victimhood. nt

[Name removed]

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[hulka38]

30. Just like the Sun coming up in the morning.

[stranger81]

66. Took the words right out of my mouth.

Somebody wake me up when progressives get an ounce of respect. Now that would be something different for a change.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

31. I wouldn't blame the left, but when it goes wrong who will the left blame. I just won't be blaming..

blaming the President and would never look for anyone to blame on our side. We make our choices take our chances. Democracy will of decided.

[CakeGrrl]

32. If the Dems lose in Nov, it will be because they got fewer votes than Repubs.

Now, how does one party get more votes than another? Hmm, let's think on that one.

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

33. Well, when they openly advocate Republican victories on DU splinter boards...

[Mithreal]

34. Take a look upthread and see all those who propagated that idea

deny it with their unrecs.

You aren't very good with surprise parties either, are ya?

[BklnDem75]

35. Threatening to sit on your hands usually does that

What's wrong? Don't you believe in your cause?

[DevonRex]

36. It's gone past that now. Way past that.

[spoony]

38. If people don't vote, it will be because a candidate did not earn it.

Sorry. It's their job to convince us of their intentions and plans. We owe our vote to no one.

Let me save you the time of responding: "Palin! You wanted McCain! You never loved him!"

[CakeGrrl]

40. SOMEONE is going to win these elections. They won't NOT happen

because people turn up their noses that their votes weren't sufficiently "earned".

Same goes for the WH in 2012. SOMEONE will occupy it no matter how offended some voters are that candidates didn't seem to be busting ass sufficiently to earn votes.

Speaker of the House Pelosi or Boehner?

President Obama or Palin?

It isn't a damned theory.

And the candidates who didn't "earn" votes are NOT going to be the ones who suffer the consequences of a batshit crazy, investigation-mad government.

[spoony]

41. I must be psychic.

Anyway, go reward failure, antipathy and mediocrity with your vote. Have fun. Just know that when you give them an unconditional vote like they own you, it's just going to be more of the same. As for me, the Dems can get back to me when they start acting like Dems. And no amount of "get in line" "vote or die" "You love Palin!" posts are going to change that, so save your key smashing.

[CakeGrrl]

43. Ah, you must live above the fray, then. Bully for you.

"Key smashing"...project much?

:rofl:

[creeksneakers2]

76. Why care if you aren't getting 100% your way?

Why even write about it if you don't care?

[AlabamaLibrul]

108. If someone's willing to investigate something, they have more stones than the current folks. n/t

[BklnDem75]

45. Don't pass the buck

You're responsible for your own vote. If you sit on your hands, at least have the decency to stand by your decision. In the end, the only person who can stop you is you. Take responsibility.

[hfojvt]

67. the question is, what are you trying to accomplish with your vote

or the lack thereof?

So you didn't owe Al Gore your vote and instead voted for Nader and helped to give us George W. Bush. Did that work very well? Did it accomplish something positive? If we didn't accomplish much in the first two years or the first four years, are we going to accomplish more with a Republican Congress?

[suzie]

78. +1

[unapatriciated]

85. Damn Nader is still being blamed for something the gang of 5 did.

I voted for Gore and I do remember how b* was crowned. Harrison stopped the re-count and the gang of 5 crowned b* King. Gore won, Nader voters did not lose the election. It's time we put that story to bed.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

47. It's a sad reality, but I believe that Dr. Dean, Franken, Van Jones are correct.

As a "leftie," the Democrats know that we have nowhere else to go. They know--and take advantage of the fact that liberals will not vote Republican. Indeed liberals are the most loyal contingent of the Democratic Party as a result.

And sadly, until we change the culture of the party...well, of society whereby it is no longer bad to a liberal, then we'll have to just suck it up.

The good news is that the younger generations are more liberal, more tolerant and will probably be the new leadership. The process of inter-generational change is going to take a long time. Even if we run more liberals for office, those new champions will continue to be marginalized by the rest of the party given the ideological makeup of the party and the larger society.

We have to demand a paradigm shift whereby being liberal is no longer synonymous with something horrible and awful. It is our responsibility to do the work.

Until then, we have to accept the reality of our political climate and hope to make incremental change in the right direction.

[Mithreal]

50. Is that really the best strategy for the problems that face our fellow Americans?

It all seemed very sensible until the last sentence when it became over-the-top sensible.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

69. I get accused of that often. It's not the best strategy for us, but I don't have alternative

solutions, sadly.

[Mithreal]

71. I like your sig. Mine used to be similar. It went something like this

Jesus never healed anyone with a pre-existing condition.

Ok, enough of this finding common ground stuff :)

A number of things you wrote sound very sensible and also sound like passivity inducing, know what I mean?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

73. Passivity. I know. Sadly that's the case. We have to fight back hard, no? n/t

[bvar22]

48. If The Left is THAT strong,

you would think the administration would give us a seat at the table.


The DLC New Team
Liberals Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

[Mithreal]

49. Interesting point.

[cliffordu]

51. Actual proof please, of is this just opinion??

[cliffordu]

82. CRICKETS. BIG LOUD NASTY BEARDED CRICKETS.

as usual.


Now. where did I put my rat avatar????

[WonderGrunion]

53. "About to be"? Dude, we've been warning you since

the first "thrown under the bus" was uttered that you'd be to blame if the Repukes take control. If we say we're going to do something, and we do it, that's not betrayal.

[LostinVA]

62. Wow

[WonderGrunion]

63. Now go make me a sammich!

:hide:

[JVS]

55. Really? This is surprising. I've not been detecting any signs of hostility from centrists.

I have trouble imagining something like that happening.

[Mithreal]

56. +1

:applause:

[John Agar]

59. Personally, I think the Democrats have not been communicating effectively...

In general, and to constituencies like younger voters, unions, and voters in key battleground states in particular.

Here in PA, we are seeing and hearing almost nothing from our senate and governors' candidates, while Toomey and Corbett keep getting press.

What is up with that?

[ibegurpard]

60. whatever

we're irrelevant at one moment and the next we're all at fault.

[Umbral]

61. Same as it ever was. nt

[JNelson6563]

64. You're a busy little campaigner, ain'tcha?

Caught your post on GD about how bravely you criticize the Dem leadership and now this, a warning to us all about how we're about to be done wrong.

Go get 'em tiger!

Julie

[TheKentuckian]

68. Same as it ever was, same it ever was, same as it ever was

Who gives a fuck about their blame?

Nobody hates getting their ass busted more than a chump bully and nobody cries foul louder when they are stood up to.

As someone who dogged the Nader voters pretty damn hard, I know the whole tactic is a fear powered bludgeon utilized to subdue and assimilate without having to give on anything to secure votes. Pure submission move and shifty dealings.

[girl gone mad]

72. Third verse, same as the first.

[The Magistrate]

74. Since You Agree Gov. Dean And Mr. Jones Are Right, Sir, What Exactly Are You Complaining About?

If the Republicans do take either the House of Senate, things will be much worse then they are, and prospects even fouler. This is a simple fact, and must be recognized whether one likes it or not.

"The five most dangerous words in the Engish language are 'It can't possibly get worse.' It can always get worse."

[Kahuna]

96. Dear Sir, You obviously are not part of the "reality based community.."

:sarcasm:

[old mark]

77. I don't think the Democratic left is important enough to matter to the President or the

administration.
They'd like to have us along, but we don't count for enough for them to make an effort to keep us.

We are a minor annoyance at best and of little real significance.

mark

[Teaser]

79. this bores me

post something better please.

[Orsino]

81. About to be?

Happens daily.

[nofurylike]

83. nah. we're grasping that it's so-called-leftists who INTEND to

sabotage the election.
we hope, and work our asses off, to keep the facts out there, and counter the saboteurs, but there is no question who they are who are acting with such malicious design. we are even working on press releases to repeatedly send to media, stating that it is pseudo-leftists who are aggitating to make it seem as if the left is walking out on the election. anything we can do to get it all out in the open - since we didn't get those effin evoting systems stopped in time.

now, i can't say that *self-defined* "leftists" the likes of whom believe queers like me belong in reeducation camps, or need to be committed and lobotomized, are not involved. but are they really who we here call leftists these days? or progressives?

nah. we got a grip. should they pull it off, we'll blame who is to blame. including the media participants.

* edited to say that i understand that you were stating that the media is playing it this way, and that you are not the one saying it is so. i apologize for implying that you were the one saying it is so. and for implying that it is we who are framing the left in such a way. we ARE the left. 'they' are not.


peace and solidarity

[stevietheman]

87. Yeah, let's eschew the party that delivers 3/4 of what we want,

and let the party the delivers nothing of what we want into power.

Sure makes sense to me.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

88. It's actually more like 1/10

I'm going to be voting Dem, because my Congressman is one of the good guys, but if I had a DINO in office, I'd be supporting a challenger in the primaries and possibly a third party candidate in the general.

Fortunately, I don't face that choice till 2012, when Amy Klobuchar (D-take a firm stand only on trivial issues and waffle on everything else) is up for reelection.

[janx]

90. You feel sorry for Howard Dean?

:shrug:

[Gordan Shumway]

95. Your analytical skills rival Grover Cleveland

[Arkana]

99. And you're doing a fine job of building the frameworks, sir!

This is bullshit preemptive whining so you can excuse whining later. What will you do, I wonder, when the expected "scapegoating" doesn't come?

[becxx]

105. I think you are right

It is obvious that Obama and the Dems love the Reps more than they love the lefties. They bend over backwards to please the Reps and thumb their nose at us. I think we we need to take their dislike of us seriously and leave the party. It is something like getting a divorce when the love has gone out of a relationship and one partner insists upon acting superior and taking all sorts of privileges.

The current situation is so bad that we have nothing to lose by starting a party for lefties. As Senate Paul Wellstone would have said, "We are the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party." Without us, the party will have no soul and and it will become a page in history books.

[EFerrari]

106. What do you mean, "about to be"?

:)

[Name removed]

107. Deleted message

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[Radical Activist]

110. I'd rather make sure progressive candidates win than play pre-emptive victim.

[old mark]

111. They are already setting us up for it - win or lose in November, we will be their whipping boy.

They either have some extremely assholish "plan" or they have no idea what they are doing. Personally, I vascillate between the two options depending on who is the latest to insult the left-Emmanuel or GIbbs. Of course it's hard to determine which is the real asshole and which is just ignorant.

Flip a coin, I guess.

mark

[Barack2theFuture]

113. +1

[bigwillq]

114. Again?

;)