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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:00 PM
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Senate control could come down to Crist and Lieberman
From the Salon..

Here’s how it could happen. Democrats now control 47 Senate seats that are either not on the ballot this fall or that are on the ballot but are considered safe for them. Republicans have 36. This week’s news that the GOP’s top prospect in West Virginia’s special election, Shelley Moore Capito, is not running is probably enough to move that state into the safe category for Democrats -- increasing the Democrats’ edge to 48-36. (Keep in mind, this counts Lieberman as a Democrat.)

Now, let’s look at what is in play this fall. Republicans are defending seats in Kentucky, Missouri, Ohio, New Hampshire and Florida. For the sake of argument, let’s say they win all of those contests – except Florida, where Crist wins. That would leave the Democrats with a 48-40-1 advantage. (Again, this is counting – for now – Lieberman as a Democrat.) Add in the four Democratic-held seats that the GOP is highly likely to claim -- North Dakota, Indiana, Arkansas and Delaware -- and the margin is reduced to 48-44-1.

That would bring us to the seven remaining races: in Pennsylvania, Illinois, Colorado, Nevada, California, Wisconsin and Washington. The first four of these essentially rate as toss-ups right now (although the identity of the GOP nominee in Colorado won’t be known until next month), while Democrats have a slight edge in the latter three. But for our purposes, let’s lump all seven of them together and consider the implications of a two different scenarios:

* If the GOP wins five of them, the Senate balance would be 50-49 for the Democrats, with Crist as an independent. Under this scenario, the GOP would be able to secure control only by convincing both Crist and Lieberman to caucus with them. If they did, the GOP would gain a 51-49 majority. But if only one of them -- Crist or Lieberman -- joined with the Republicans, Vice President Joe Biden would be poised to cast the tie-breaking vote for the Democrats. Or, if Lieberman were to stick with the Democrats and Crist were to join him, the Democratic majority would be 51-49.

* If the GOP wins six of those seven races, the Senate balance would be 50-49 for the GOP, with Crist as an independent. Under this scenario, Democrats would need to convince Lieberman to stay put and woo Crist in order to create a 50-50 tie for Biden to break. In other words, either Crist or Lieberman would be able to deliver Republicans control of the chamber by siding with them.

So, if the GOP wins fewer than five of those seven toss-up/Democratic-leaning races, Crist and Lieberman won’t be crucial to determining Senate control. Nor will they be if the GOP wins all seven of those races, since Republicans would then have 51 seats without them (unless, of course, the GOP slips up somewhere else, like, say, Kentucky). But if Republicans wins five or six of those seven, then Crist and Lieberman will loom large.

Who would they side with? Certainly, the signs now point to Crist joining the Democrats. He’s been sounding many of the party’s themes in his campaign, and if he does win, he’ll owe it to Democratic defections. There’s also news of a recent phone conversation between Crist and Harry Reid, who may end up surviving in Nevada, and as the Democrats’ Senate leader.

But his thinking could change. Given his strategic imperatives in Florida right now, it’s in his interests to play footsie with Reid. But after the election, he might have more room to maneuver. And if the GOP is desperate for control, who knows what they might offer him? Plus, it’s still possible that Reid will lose his reelection bid in Nevada, and thus his Senate leadership perch, which could invalidate any informal arrangements that he and Crist might now have.

As for Lieberman, it’s hard to imagine him bolting for the GOP, if only because he’s held back despite having so many opportunities to do so for the last four years. Part of this, of course, is because top Democrats (like Barack Obama) have bent over backwards to accommodate him. If control of the chamber is on the line, they’d presumably make him yet another attractive offer.

But Lieberman will also have to consider his own reelection in Connecticut in 2012. Overall, his standing in the state is weak: a 40 percent job approval number, something that was enough to force Chris Dodd to abandon his own reelection effort earlier this year. What’s worse for Lieberman, though, is that his approval rating is significantly lower among Democrats (a negative 33-57 percent score) than among Republicans (a positive 51-42 percent score).

Realistically, to win reelection in ’12, Lieberman will have to either run as a Republican or form the kind of informal alliance with the GOP that he enjoyed in his ’06 campaign. In that context, swinging the Senate to the GOP this November would be a fine way to jump-start either effort.

more http://www.salon.com/news/politics/2010_elections/?story=/politics/war_room/2010/07/23/crist_lieberman_senate


Of course, as the article states, there are a number of scenarios where it wont mater but it is still quite reasonable to see how it could happen. This is why, among other things, it is so critical that we do not allow Rubio to win in Florida and if it takes voting for Crist then so be it.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:09 PM
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1. Several thoughts. It sounds like a good reason to support a Democrat in Florida
instead of Crist, even if the Democrat isn't spectacular. Do we really want to give so much power to a Republican who may or may not side with us on occasion? Dumb, dumb move.

But I think the scenario is very unlikely. Democrats won't lose that many seats. They aren't losing IL. Dems will likely pick up OH, and possibly KY and MO. I doubt the partisan balance will change by more than 2 or 3 seats in either direction. And yes, I do think it's possible for Democrats to come out ahead one. Things will change between now and November.

Democrats having the majority isn't really the issue. The problem is whether we can get progressive legislation through the Senate, which can hardly be done right now.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:13 PM
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3. Fisher isn't the greatest candidate in Ohio and he is way behind in
Fund-raising. Portman has over 4 million while Fisher has around 1 million.

That could change, but Portman is a savvy political figure and a formidable opponent.

And why do you think we will win Illinois?

Please explain.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:33 PM
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9. Why IL won't go Republican.
Mark Kirk recently went on a statewide press tour and all the regional newspapers covered was the controversy over him lying about his military honors. The issue has dominated the race for weeks. It's much simpler to understand than the complicated Bank scandal that hurt Alexi. The race has changed.

But more importantly, this is a state where a Green got 10% and a crooked Governor STILL got elected. A Republican has to run a spectacular campaign against a very weak Democrat to win statewide in Illinois.

Neither of those descriptions apply to this race. Republicans have a candidate who's unpopular with their conservative base and is unknown among downstate swing voters. Alexi is raising plenty of money, he's a good campaigner, and he's much better known statewide than Kirk.

I don't think there's any reason to suggest IL will go Republican except that it fits into a lazy national media narrative.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:42 PM
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11. Thanks for the explaination...
That clears it up and gives a more local take on the race...
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:16 PM
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4. Crist is not a Republican.. he has renounced, denounced and rejected the GOP..
and he has been talking, acting, and governing like Democrat ever since he shed his R months ago. What more do you need to be convinced?

BTW, most Democrats do care if we lose the majority.

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:09 PM
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2. Let's put it this way about Crist....
I am confident that he will stay an Independent but caucus with the Dem's.

Why, because of demographic changes in the US that will favor the democrats starting in 2012 and really kicking in right around the time he seeks reelection or the presidency in 2016...
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:17 PM
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5. I think so too
He seems to be more of a Democrat than Lieberman. Crist keeps vetoing all these bills so dear to Replubicans in Florida.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:17 PM
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6. And because former Obama staffers Anita Dunn and others....
.... are working for his campaign.

That's all we need to know.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:21 PM
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7. Yep, that's a pretty good clue what his intentions are..
I have been convinced he would caucus with the Dems from the very first news of his "Independent" run. I am even more convinced now.
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:31 PM
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8. I'm leaning toward Crist because I feel that
Meek really doesn't have much of a chance to win the Florida Senate seat. Although I would prefer Meek, I sure don't want to see Rubio win the election and with Crist, at least there is a good chance that Rubio will lose. Of course, I'm going to wait until closer to Nov. to see what Meek's chances are and then make up my mind.

OK, you can start firing the bombs at me.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 04:37 PM
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10. Of course its wise to wait.. who knows maybe Meek will kick it into high gear..
but he needs to get it out of idle or he may not even win the nom.
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