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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 09:55 AM
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The professional wrestling match between Obama and the US Chamber of Commerce, WaPo as announcers
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 10:08 AM by brentspeak
Yesterday, the Washington Post published an article with the headline, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/21/AR2010072106086.html">Chamber of Commerce losing battles against Obama. The first few paragraphs were written to support the headline's contention that Obama is having his way with the Chamber and the big business lobby industry in general:



Over the past year, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has spent nearly $3 million a week in opposition to President Obama's major agenda items, breaking all previous lobbying records and placing a political bet on the Republican Party. But so far, it's not clear how well the gamble has paid off.

The Chamber's formidable lobbying prowess -- about $150 million spent since Obama took office -- did not stop passage of the administration's two signature achievements: the health-care overhaul and the Wall Street reform bill the president signed into law Wednesday. The nation's largest business group has lost battles over, among other things, student-loan legislation, credit-card reforms and a landmark measure that expands workers' rights to sue for equal pay.


However, the article's fourth and fifth paragraph puts matters in their correct perspective:



But the Chamber has had success in blocking other pieces of Democratic legislation or, in the case of health-care reform and financial regulation, shaping the final bills to the group's liking.

Thomas J. Collamore, the Chamber's senior vice president of communications, highlighted the group's efforts against a pro-union "card check" bill, cap-and-trade climate legislation and a proposed public insurance option.


That's exactly correct: the Chamber (and/or various other business lobbyists) has either successfully watered-down the most central pieces of Obama's legislative agenda or otherwise defeated them altogether.

Consider:

The Chamber wanted the public option eliminated from the HCR. They won; the public option was stripped from the HCR. That was supposed to be the key component of the HCR, the most important reason for it being called "reform". However, the public option ended up being stripped. The Chamber also wanted generic drug imports from Canada not included in the bill, and, most importantly, they didn't want any revocation of Medicare-D, which allows Big Pharma to charge U.S. taxpayers to its heart's content for providing drugs for Medicare. Obama struck a deal with Big Pharma and voila! Big Pharma (and the Chamber) won. You, the taxpayer lost. And the Medicare program, now swelling with massive deficits thanks to the GOP-created Medicare-D, is in great danger.

The Chamber wanted the EFCA card check nipped-in-the-bud. They won. No EFCA. Working people lost.

The Chamber wanted the financial regulation bill watered-down considerably. They won. There will now be more trillion dollar bailouts.

The Chamber did not want NAFTA renegotiated. Obama very much complied. No jobs for you, sorry.

The Chamber wanted proposed usury laws snuffed out. Obama didn't raise so much as a peep in support of Sheldon Whitehouse's or Bernie Sanders' various legislative attempts to get credit card usury laws passed. The public will now continue to be saddled with life-destroying high interest rates. The GOP and DLC are snickering.

The Chamber wanted cap-and-trade put down. Just yesterday, that's exactly what happened. One of Obama's absolutely key legislative goals was just torpedoed.

The "struggle" between Obama and the business lobby industry seems to be as real as professional wrestling.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 09:57 AM
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1. Is this an RNC press release in support of the Chamber of Commerce? n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:00 AM
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2. !
:rofl: Your statement crossed my mind when I read it too. :rofl:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:03 AM
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4. The RNC supports the EFCA, the public option, renegotiating NAFTA, etc.?
Apparently, you've got your political philosophies on backwards. No surprise.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:13 AM
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6. Looks like a pretty solid take to me
But then, I tend to look at objective results and the dynamics of how the politics works. For instance, if I were sitting in the audience when Obama went before the Chamber and supported the blanket firing of teachers, I would have been thinking OMG did I just hear what I thought I heard?

Did this guy just gratuitously insult one of the Democrats most important constituencies?

Nor sure I could have imagined though that as a consequence of that and other actions, that the two largest teachers' unions would go out of its way to ensure that no administration representative would be speaking at their national conferences this summer. That would would have seemed- as a member of the Chamber beyond my wildest hopes.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:23 AM
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12. "But then, I tend to look at objective results and the dynamics of how the politics works."
OP: "The Chamber wanted the financial regulation bill watered-down considerably. They won. There will now be more trillion dollar bailouts."

Check your lens here and here

:rofl:


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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:33 AM
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13. Nothing in there about preventing future trillion dollar bailouts, is there?
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 10:34 AM by brentspeak
Question: How come you're not honest enough to highlight this particular article?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-29/volcker-rule-may-give-goldman-sachs-citigroup-until-2022-to-curb-funds.html">Volcker Rule May Give Goldman, Citigroup Until 2022 to Comply

Answer: It's a trick question. The word "honest" would confuse you.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:36 AM
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14. Coming from a once upon a time champion of the public option, that rings hollow
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 10:36 AM by depakid
(as did the attempt at snark in the post above).
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:40 AM
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15. You're comparing what's actually in the financial bill to a provision that isn't in the HCR bill?
Really?

LOL!

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:44 AM
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16. I'm looking at the Chamber's overall influence on legislation and politics
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 10:58 AM by depakid
which includes matters in the financial bill, the health care bill- and others.

Hasn't been a pretty sight- and the instance I cited illustrates why it's beyond foolish to pander to them, particularly when it comes at the expense of one's own constituencies.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:46 AM
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17. Did you expect otherwise?
:eyes:
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:00 AM
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3. self delete
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 10:41 AM by SunsetDreams
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:10 AM
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5. Same Link, Same Article, Continuation of another thread you even replied too
Edited on Fri Jul-23-10 10:40 AM by SunsetDreams
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:16 AM
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7. so?
it is OK to have 50 blue million Chelsea threads and only One Thread about this?

is that what you are saying?
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:17 AM
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8. uh no
it's a continuation of an argument in another thread
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:17 AM
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9. and?
there is something wrong with this?
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:18 AM
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10. Check the rules
and then get back to me
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 10:20 AM
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11. so then..
did you alert on this thread?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:57 AM
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18. Yes, the Chamber is very powerful. Here's a suggestion.
Stopping climate change legislation is their biggest victory so far. Passing that bill would be the best way to smack them down.

Here's something we can do to weaken their power and make them more controversial.

Not all Chambers of Commerce belong to the US Chamber. I suggest calling your local Chamber and asking if they belong. If so, tell them you don't appreciate their de facto support for the US Chamber's destructive, extremist agenda. Then write a letter to the editor encouraging your local Chamber to withdrawal its affiliation with the national Chamber. Suggest that they shouldn't be getting any grant dollars from state or local government if they're going to support a destructive political agenda.

Or were you not interested in doing something productive? Maybe this was just another pot shot to prove how much Obama sucks? Well, bitching about Obama instead of organizing is why the left is failing so badly right now. Suit yourself.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:20 PM
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19. But but but...if Obama is just a tool for big business as you claim..
why are they spending money and effort to defeat Obama's agenda? Please explain.
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