Will You Vote For Obama Again In 2012?

[Dinger]

I voted for Obama in 2008. I am waffling on 2012. We'll see what happens.

[sharp_stick]

1. Damned right I will n/t

[Parche]

2. I will only vote for Teacher Dinger!!

:woohoo::hi::hug::hug:

[Dinger]

44. Back At Ya Parche Honey!

:) :loveya: :hug: :hug: :hug: :headbang: :yourock: :fistbump: :pals:

[Deep13]

3. With only two major parties, I don't have any reasonable choice.

If there were more options, I might vote for Obama anyway. He's done a pretty good job, I just wish he would get a little more porky (confrontational)with Congressional Rs. Obviously any comparison to Bush makes Obama look like some kind of Olympian god.

[Lifelong Protester]

4. There, I voted. Yes.

And proud of it.

[BootinUp]

5. IBTL

[DevonRex]

6. Of course.

[dionysus]

51. i see even after a long vacation, you've still got tell-tale truffle crumbs on your jack boot!

criminy!

:hi:

[Yavin4]

7. He Is The Best Person for the Job

By far. The problem is what are we going to do when he can no longer run for president?

[Unvanguard]

8. Absolutely. No doubt in my mind. n/t

[zipplewrath]

9. What are the other choices?

Will he have a successful primary challenger? Will there be a superior 3rd party candidate?

[Ohio Metal]

110. Shut up and get back in lockstep! n/t

[Sherman A1]

10. If he is the Democratic Nominee, Yes

if not, No.

[Birthmark]

11. Nope

[JTFrog]

13. Fail. n/t

[Birthmark]

17. Failed use of "fail."

But I'll give you points for spelling!

[JTFrog]

26. You can keep the points.

You probably need them more than I do.

:shrug:

[Birthmark]

33. Thanks.

I'm not sure on what basis you made your assessment, though. Seems a bit self-serving.

[activa8tr]

121. Pretty "self-serving" of you to help elect Palin/Bachmann!

[uponit7771]

12. Obama has shown ability to be worked with at least, he's a lock for my 2012 vote for now

[4lbs]

14. Of course. I'm not voting for a Repuke, and any independent candidate isn't going to have enough

widespread support to stand a chance.

In addition, I'm amazed at what the President has been able to accomplish and withstand, given a Congress that many times is little more than an anchor against progress, a public that is afflicted with short-term memory and frequently votes against its own self-interest, and a mainstream media that would rather report something that gets ratings instead of the boring truth.

[CakeGrrl]

15. As the Democratic nominee or in a Primary?

Some have been clear that they'd love to see a primary challenger who would get their vote over Obama.

If it comes to the GE and he's the Dem nominee and someone won't vote for him? Then what are they doing here on DU?

[BlueIdaho]

42. There will be no primary.

Wonder why? Go back through history and see how many sitting presidents have had to defend themselves in a primary challenge. Then look at how many primaries sitting presidents lost.

Politicians are dumb but not suicidal.


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[Freddie Stubbs]

Was Ted Kennedy dumb or suicidal when he ran against Carter in 1980?

[Oregone]

63. I thought he was just practicing democracy

[Freddie Stubbs]

72. And that is something that can be done in a dumb manner

[karynnj]

66. Carter was at the extreme right of the party, Obama is near the middle

That makes a huge difference. Kennedy thought there were sufficient disaffected Democrats, who like he were to Carter's left. Although he failed when asked to give a coherent answer to why he was running, but he could put together a platform which was sufficiently different from Carter's.

It seems impossible to me that there would be enough Democrats - either to OBama's left or right. It already is the point where any alternative would be involved in the silent primary - looking for support. You need someone with very strong name recognition or you need an issue that someone could ride - like McCarthy in 1968.

I don't see Obama as either Carter or LBJ. There is no one with Kennedy like name/charisma.

[Freddie Stubbs]

74. Howard dean probably couldn't win, but he could give Obama a run

[karynnj]

103. I don't buy it

DU is not representative of the party - and it would be more likely than the party as a whole to vote for Dean. Even here, it would not be close and Obama would win. At Dean's height of popularity, he lost by 20% to Kerry in the real world Iowa.

[Freddie Stubbs]

118. But he had the ability to raise a lot of money and recruit a lot of volunteers

He can't win, but he could certainly run a credible campaign.

[BlueIdaho]

70. Did Kennedy win the nomination?

Has any sitting president lost a primary? Paracticing democracy is fine, but don't think for one minute there will be a new Democratic candidate of President in the 2012 general election.

[Freddie Stubbs]

75. I doubt that any Democrat can beat Obama, but that doesn't mean that no one will try

[BlueIdaho]

90. It does if the party see's it as a threat to his re-election.

If a difficult primary will splinter Democrats further and burn cash that is needed to win in November - the party will shut down any attempt to primary the president.

Finally, anyone wanting to run for President in 2012 needs money and people right about now so one last question, who has a war chest and ground game ready to go? Hillary Clinton?

[Freddie Stubbs]

98. Howard Dean has a pretty big email list of donors

I doubt that he can win, but that doesn't mean that people around him can't convince him otherwise.

[BlueIdaho]

102. So our end goal should be convincing a guy that can't win to primary the President?

How does that help us forward a Democratic agenda? If Dr. Dean runs he (1) wins the primary and, as you suggest, loses to the republicans, or (2) does the republicans work for them, weakening the President and draining cash away from the general election.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Dr. Dean, but I agree with you, no way he wins a general election in 2012.

[Sebastian Doyle]

116. There's a big difference between January 2004 and right now.

In December 2003, A DLC funded attack, coordinated by that piece of shit Robert Gibbs (and tied to both the Kerry and Gephardt campaigns) produced a slanderous hit piece against Howard Dean which essentially accused him of being "weak on terraism" and therefore a "danger" to America.

This was a mere 24 months after the 9-11-01 attacks. The fear tactics worked, unfortunately. As did the whore media manipulated distortion of the "YEEEAAARRRGGGHHH heard around the world".

Problem is that Howard Dean was the best candidate. He was the one who could have beaten the Chimp. Because he had the best positions on the issues. What he did not have at the time was a national track record. And that left him vulnerable to the slanderous attacks from the DLC machine.

But everything Dr. Dean said in 2003/04 (and frankly ever since) has been proven true. His leadership of the Democratic party was directly responsible for the Democratic wins in 2006 and 2008, and if you look at how the party was operated before him (under Terry McUseless) and after him (under the virtually non-existent Tim Kaine) it's clear that he's the only LEADER this party has had in decades.

Howard Dean now has the national track record. I'm not saying he should run in 2012. But if he did, he would have my vote.

[Freddie Stubbs]

117. No, that should not be our goal

Dean can't beat Obama.

The only ones who would gain by Dean running would be his political consultants and perhaps the Republican nominee.

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[Dr.Phool]

18. Limekiller-Opus 2012!!!!

Meadow Party.

I'm reading Volume 2 right now.

[dionysus]

52. Larouche\Greenwald 2012!!11!

[LatteLibertine]

19. It's likely

and I'll make the decision at the end of his term when I do a full evaluation. Right now, I will continue to support him. IMO it makes no sense to put him in office then rob him of support this early.

BTW I hope President Obama watches his back. If his approval numbers fall far enough both Clintons are going to jump on him.

[damntexdem]

20. Yes, but I can't vote: an ad covers up the voting button.

That is very common on DU now. And, no, if a donation would make the ad go away, I WILL NOTE donate under those circumstances.

[ima_sinnic]

35. I had that problem with Firefox but found it was not a problem on Internet Explorer

--don't know if this will help you.

[bdamomma]

21. I will never ever vote for a repug.

Obama yes that's if he decides to run again.

[Tippy]

22. He will be the Democratic nominee and he will have my vote !

[HughBeaumont]

23. Yes.

It's either that or Republican catshit as usual.

The menu items may suck, but hey, at least they're free.

Ain't that just like America?

[Dawgs]

24. Just to be clear, Obama not winning means 4 more years of a Bush presidency.

That means more tax cuts for corporations and the rich.
No end to discrimination against gays and lesbians.
More wars.
More poverty.
No job growth.

Do I need to go on?

[newspeak]

28. well, if Obama

busts teacher's union and basically, privatizes most public schools; if he takes the advice of the cat food commission and winds up privatizing social security , and if he winds up greatly slashing medicare and attempting to add it to his great insurance bill (oops, already against his health insurance bill), and if the soldiers in Iraq are on a permanent stay and if Afghanistan winds up being expanded--I am not going to vote for him.

Now that's a lot of "ifs"---if he puts his foot down on corporatization, I'll probably vote for him.

[Dawgs]

39. Agree; lot of "ifs". All guesses, and none based on anything Obama has said.

I also agree that it might be good to wait a few years before deciding.

[Hawaii Hiker]

25. Ab-SA-Fucking-lootely I will vote for Obama in 2012

I would vote for the woo-woo man :woohoo: before i'd ever vote for a Rethug..

[BlueCaliDem]

27. Voted yes. Most definitely. eom

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[JTFrog]

32. Mind elaborating a bit? n/t

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[David__77]

37. You think 67 senators will vote to convict? On what grounds?

Impeachment means nothing - certainly not removal from office. And on what grounds what Biden also be impeached and convicted?

[WCGreen]

38. They would have to get an awful huge majority

to pull that off....

[racaulk]

49. Even if the House did impeach...

...it would take a 2/3 majority in the Senate to remove them from office. Also, the President and Vice-President have to be impeached and convicted separately, IIRC.

The chance that one of them will be impeached and removed from office in 2011, not to mention both of them, is highly unlikely with the current makeup of Congress.

[prolesunited]

50. Impeached for what?

[bigwillq]

73. For what?

:shrug:

[Politics_Guy25]

61. Delete-n/t

[Renew Deal]

30. The "Nope" option should automatically ban an account.

:)

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. What a great idea! Post a poll, tell the Mods which is the wrong answer, then ban those who give it

Then we can really clean this place up, get rid of any and all criticism of President Obama or his policies, and be one big happy family again!

[Birthmark]

46. Ain't that a peach? LOL

That's why I answered the way I did. This "ban someone for their beliefs" stuff needs to stop. Now.

(In truth, I have no idea how I'll vote in 2012; if I'll want to vote in 2012; if I'll be allowed to vote in 2012; or if I'll be alive to vote in 2012.)

[Renew Deal]

54. People that will not vote for Obama in the GE don't belong on a Democratic website

:shrug:

[frylock]

94. take it up with the mods..

or pound sand. your choice.

[Birthmark]

43. How democratic!

[Renew Deal]

55. Aren't you one that's not voting for Obama?

How Republican

[Birthmark]

64. False dichotomy

Nice try, though. Can't wait to see the twisty-turny bad math follow-up!

[LiberalEsto]

31. Two words: Supreme Court

At this point that would be my ONLY reason to vote for him.

[Blue_Tires]

36. You mean you DID NOT write-in Wetzelbill/Kurovski??

I suggest you report to their campaign field headquarters ASAP...

[dccrossman]

40. Ask me in October 2012

Edited because I can't type "2012". :)

[Phx_Dem]

45. Happily and proudly! n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. Unknown at this time.

I will have to wait until closer to the election to make a final decision.

[saracat]

48. I voted "other" because I have no idea what the future may bring .If Obama is the candidate,

I will vote for him. At the moment though, this is no more than a hypothetical question, however likely it may well be. Heck, the Mayan calender may be correct and we may not even BE HERE in 2012!B-) which some days I think may not be that bad a thing after all!

[donco6]

124. What saracat said. n/t

[racaulk]

53. If he is the candidate, I likely will vote for him.

He has my vote because I realistically don't have anyone else to give it to. Also, it terrifies me to think of any more Robertses or Alitos ending up in the SCOTUS.

Will he get my time and money as in 2008? Probably not.

[bigwillq]

56. Maybe

Too early to tell for me.

[WI_DEM]

57. I wonder who the 15 who voted NO will vote for? maybe Sarah or Mittens?

[Oregone]

60. Maybe no one.

Maybe they'll go enjoy a nice stroll on the beach, a concert in the park or a good classic novel

[WI_DEM]

68. well that's nice and helpful to the Republicans.

[Oregone]

71. Its helpful to no one except the individual

Its not their job to convince themselves that their life would be better if they spent it that day voting for a specific party (instead of enjoying life). Its someone else's job to do so--someone who is not entitled to that vote by simply properly filling out paperwork. IF a candidate fails to earn a vote, it is no one's fault but their own.

[CakeGrrl]

126. Who REALLY loses? The candidate or the voter?

SOMEONE is going to occupy the White House and the Congressional seats. Withholding one's vote doesn't stop the process.

If that "someone" turns out to be a nasty, extreme Repub type, it won't be any skin off the losing candidate's nose personally, since odds are that they're doing very well economically compared to the average person.

Losing an elected office isn't going to break them, but defaulting into a bad choice to run the country will damage a lot of us in the longer term.

[Oregone]

128. Who knows. Its up the the candidate to make that case.

"Withholding one's vote doesn't stop the process."

Never said it does. It also doesn't guarantee benevolent legislation.

[impik]

58. Of course i will, but i hope he won't run

[opihimoimoi]

59. If Palin had larger boobs...maybe?? WTF is this shit

[Oregone]

62. It would be beneficial for Democrats if they believed they weren't entitled to their bases votes

[Broke In Jersey]

65. If he can beat Hillary in the primary....then of course!!!!

[WI_DEM]

69. Hillary would not challenge him.

[Broke In Jersey]

109. I really believe the B-man will ask her to be VP.

Biden's usefullness is over.

[VMI Dem]

67. No.

Will skip the Presidential, as of now.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

79. And yet you'll still complain afterwards.

[bigwillq]

82. So?

Is that illegal? :shrug:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

83. No, did I say it was?

But complaining about the president (regardless of who it is) while not even taking the time to vote at all is just pathetic. It's a stupid and useless form of protest. Even voting third party is a tangible act.

[bigwillq]

86. Their vote, their choice.

This thread is revealing on so many levels. If you don't vote for Obama, somehow you're a republican. WOW

Freedom of Choice. NOT ON DU, that's for sure! :rofl:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

89. What vote? He said he'll skip the Presidential.

And I just said even a third-party vote (which would clearly not be for Obama) would still count more than not voting at all, which is what he claimed he'd do.

And I never claimed not voting for Obama automatically makes you a Republican. Don't put words in my mouth.

[bigwillq]

91. I didn't say you did

about this
"And I never claimed not voting for Obama automatically makes you a Republican. Don't put words in my mouth."

But someone up thread did, which is why I said "this thread"

[wysingm]

76. It's a no brainer...

[TwilightGardener]

77. Mais oui.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

78. yeah,

[Fearless]

80. Depends on if someone better runs.

I couldn't decide now based on the available information. Plus he's got two and a half years to turn things around.

[Name removed]

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

84. Yes.

[IrishEyes]

85. Absolutely.

I will definitely vote for him.

[branders seine]

87. I don't know yet.

I know I will never vote for any rapublican for any office, but I'm not that interested in voting for Obama either.

[damonm]

88. In a New York Minute.

[frylock]

92. undecided..

if the elections were held tomorrow, a firm NO.

[Jenny_D]

93. You betcha!

There is no way I would even consider voting for any Republican. I mean, does anyone here really want to see a Jeb Bush/Palin ticket win?! I've been disappointed with Obama, but he's a hundred times better than the alternative.

[AspenRose]

95. Fall in love in the primary; fall in line in the general

And odds are pretty good :rofl: he'll win the primary.

[JustAnotherGen]

96. If he is the Nominee . . . yes

I'm assuming he will be.

If he's not, then I will vote for the as far to the Left candidate that I can vote for.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

97. Yes I am going to vote for Obama

what the hell else can i do.

[depakid]

99. Voted for Clinton ONCE, and the way the administration has behaved, I suspect the same

will be true when the time comes for Obama.

We shall see. Bottom line though is that if he needs my vote to win Oregon in 2010, he's already lost.

[JTFrog]

106. Trust me, he does NOT need your vote in Oregon in 2010.

So feel free to hold on to that sucker for a couple years longer.

:shrug:

[meow mix]

100. dunno about his out-of-control DEA raiding MMJ, and the status of our wars

my 2 main issues are not in good shape thats a big problem for me.
plus the multiple bj's to wall street and nothing for main street. can get this stuff from anyone if its wanted.
and the lack of leadership on anything whatsoever (except throwing liberal policys out the window)

at this point i guesss ill say yes, but with a vomit bag handy. and unless someone wants to end the illegal incarceration of pro-mj citizens.

[cheapdate]

101. The man is doing a fine job. n/t

[saltpoint]

104. Strong Obama voter here.

[iamthebandfanman]

105. of course i will BUT

not because i want too.

[trayfoot]

107. Absolutely, I will!

There is no way in hell that I will vote for a reTHUG or throw my vote away on a third party candidate!

[catgirl]

108. Your "waffling" on this decision

I won't even vote on this "poll".

[Dinger]

115. I Didn't Either

I didn't want to put any conditions on a yes or no vote, just yes, no, or other. I kinda did it to keep the wafflers (like me) out. If people aren't sure, then they should vote in this poll. Pretty cut and dried.

[catgirl]

122. Whatever.

[Dinger]

127. Typo Here, Too Late To Edit

If people aren't sure, they SHOULDN'T vote. Sorry, my error.

[Moosepoop]

111. Yep. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

112. I'm hoping for a Liberal/Progressive primary challenger to Obama. eom

[Splinter Cell]

113. Why wouldn't I?

He hasn't given me any reason not to.

[waiting for hope]

114. I don't know .. two years is a long time off and

who is to say will be running? :shrug:

[BlueIris]

119. Nope. nt

[activa8tr]

120. Nice to know 47 voters here are NOT voting for Obama...because

they want a perfect President and Congress.

Let's start an "elect Sarah Palin" forum here for them!

[paulk]

123. if he's the nominee, yes

I doubt, at this point, that I'll support him in the primary

[BarackObama2012]

125. Yes!

I will vote for President Obama in a New York minute. I know he is human and he is not superman. He can not correct 8 years of fuck ups in just 2 years. He can not pass every single bill he wants to act on in just two years. We are not giving him the people he needs in the House of congress or Senate. How quickly we forget he only signs the bills that pass in the House and the Senate. He does not get to cast a vote for them. We need to realize that it is the people in House and the Senate who legislate the bills. If your Senator does not do his job, then the President can not do his job. You want a bill passed, contact your members of congress to make sure they pass the bill. If they do not vote for the bill, you need to vote them out of office. We are always trying to put the blame on the President instead of where it really belongs.

[Tarheel_Dem]

129. I don't usually bother with your posts. But hell yes. Next question? (nt)

[Puglover]

130. Obama has been disappointing to me in many aspects.

But he has accomplished much. The only thing good GWB accomplished was the do not call list. :eyes:

But that's the way it is, and you just keep on working to get things done and get things improved. You win some; you lose some. That's life.

We won't win a goddamned thing if the GOP gets back into power.

The GOP is a plague. A fucking plague. Just listen to what they are saying. To me at least it's chilling.

For me, it's an easy equation.

Oh and on edit to answer the question:

Yes of course.

[Juche]

131. Yes

The guy, in one year, has passed legislation that will transfer hundreds of billions of dollars a year from the top of the income brackets downward.

Subsidies for the working class/poor to buy health care
A medicare tax of 3.8% on top income earners
Letting the Bush supply side tax cuts expire
Payroll tax cuts for the bottom
Benefits to the poor/working class for unemployment, COBRA, etc.



http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-new-taxes-rich-2010-6

[old mark]

132. Yes. He is what he is, but we won't get anyone better in the forseeable future.nt