If Obama Fails, Then What? Where Would We Go From There?

[Yavin4]

For purely argument's sake, if by 2012, Obama's presidency is a failure and he goes down in defeat to whatever Republican gets the nom , what do we do then? Where do we go? What's the plan?

You can call this "disaster preparedness".

[havocmom]

1. well, there is some merit to cases of canned food under beds, like last GOP admin suggested

Don't think duct tape and plastic sheeting really helps, but it might be prudent to buy stock in the makers of both.

Frankly, we are in trouble no matter what. Global corporations are running the globe. Nation states are just theater anymore.

[ladjf]

2. I believe that your assessment is true. Does anyone have any

ideas as to how that terrible situation could be changed? I feel about as powerless as an ant crawling on a muddy log floating the Amazon.

[Yavin4]

4. The Problem With Canned Goods Is This....

You will soon run out or the marauding hordes of hungry people will eventually overwhelm you.

[Whisp]

15. saw the movie The Road and man what you say....

i think that movi should be a primer for us all. we have no fucking idea what hardship is, generally.

[havocmom]

25. old age has it's perks

I won't need too much tuna ;)

[Raine1967]

3. How about we make sure that doesn't happen? eom

[Yavin4]

5. That's One Plan

Anybody else have another?

[arcadian]

8. It's going to happen eventually

[Yavin4]

9. Okay, Then What's The Plan?

What are we going to do?

[Raine1967]

12. How about we make damn sure this man gets re-elected

instead of tearing him down?

We get him re-elected and then another person with a (D) after that?

Right now, the concern I have is actually coming from the left. My plan is making sure he gets re-elected. My plan is supporting the most progressive people for congress in the primaries and then supporting the nominee for my party.

In the meantime, this man was elected as POTUS. I will stand by our president and not tear him down.

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[TheKentuckian]

17. Probably because we are not in the Whitehouse. All we can do is push for policy that

will lead to a healthier America with broader prosperity and increased opportunities for all. All we can do is demand the wars end and all of our troops come home, not just half of them or a slim plurality but all so those resources can be reinvested in our own people or at the very, very least cease to expand the budget deficit.

All we can do is insist on justice for one and all, that the wealthy, connected, and powerful be accountable.

All we can do is apply pressure for a new energy future that leaves us with our habitat.

We can only be unrelenting in our demands for an affordable, accessible high quality health care system.

We can only hold our leaders accountable rather than excusing our own.

We can only demand that our fellow citizens not be allowed to fall through the cracks and that the one's who already have be given a hand up.

If the people are put first, the administration will not fail but if political calculation and the whims and desires of "stakeholders" remain foremost then failure is inevitable regardless if the President is reelected or not. Reelection at the cost of the needs of the working and poor citizens of this nation is no better than trading a walk on part in the war for a lead role in the cage.

Candidate Obama, I wish you were here or was that guy a house proud town mouse, a charade? Clapping harder ain't going to bring Tinkerbelle back, at the very least you have to believe and folks ain't going to believe a bunch of happy bullshit that is in no way reflective of the reality they experience.

The people have been pummeled for better than a generation by the beneficiaries of political malfeseanse , judicial malpractice, and economic piracy. The same beneficiaries that every "reform" seems to favor in the end to our greater detriment. It is no victory to struggle to take a hand in our own defeat by allowing for another moment for the shenanigans to go on.

Go to the mat for the "small people" and the land where we live and die or go the fuck home, is the name of the game and if that is remembered we can perhaps be beaten but we will never lose.

[havocmom]

26. That is truth

But it seems to get bad reviews of late.

Frankly, it seems a lot of people just don't have the courage to look and really see. Team sports and reality TV-like substitutes for reality are so much easier to cheer for.

[Mimosa]

35. ^ You are so right, TheKentuckian ^

Obama can win again if he'd focus on the economy. Catering to the corporate interests will not get him re-elected, despite what they may tell him.

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[bluethruandthru]

6. We all apply for Canadian citizenship? n/t

[Davis_X_Machina]

7. The contradictions would be so heightened...

...the fallout so dire, that a Kucinich! presidency in 2016 would be guaranteed, a mortal lock.

DU would then become unnecessary and vanish -- sort of like the withering away of the State in classical Marxist-Leninist theory.

[JVS]

10. left

[geek tragedy]

11. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. nt

[Moostache]

13. Pray that you are not stuck in Jesusland

Pray that you live in or can find access to transportation out of the red area and into the blue...

Either that or guerrilla warfare against the corporations (which are REALLY in charge), industrial sabotage, massive consumer boycotts, sit-ins, general strikes, daily protest rallies of 100,000 + people for months on end, civil disobedience, lines of unemployed people volunteering to become a revolving line of state prisoners...

Democrats won't save us - they collectively lack the balls to do so anyway.
Republicans don't even care enough to look as long as the masses are dying in safely sequestered areas.
Tea Party assholes are akin to arsonists just before a bonfire is lit...practically peeing themselves with excitement to burn down everything in site.

[Jennicut]

20. I live in New England. I suppose we can just form our own country. I don't think Canada wants us.

[mkultra]

14. Kucinich can step in and create the department of UFO peace department

which will instantly solve all these problems and align congress to his desires.

[ima_sinnic]

19. stay classy

this is how you "support" Democrats?

[mkultra]

37. stop trying to silence my dissent.

[Phx_Dem]

16. What an absolutely ridiculous speculation considering the major WINS

he has gotten in less than 2 years. He's done more in his short time as President than any other President in history, including FDR. But in small progressive minds, he's a failure.

Maybe you should go commiserate with Jane Hamsher.

"Truth is, Obama has exceeded in 18 months what Clinton and Carter achieved in a combined 12 years."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-28/obamas-winning-streak-peter-beinart-on-his-historic-gains/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsL3

[Yavin4]

24. The Purpose of the Thread Is To Stimulate Discussion

To get people to think. I'm not saying that Obama is a failure or will be a failure or anything of the sort.

For the sake of argument and preparedness, what will be the plan if Obama is not re-elected. What will you do? What will be your plan?

[impik]

31. Problem is:

The country doesn't seem to appreciate any of it. The Right hates him more and more with every passing day, as do some parts of the Left, and Democrats in Congress are worthless. As brilliant and talented as he is, he can't beat so many forces.

[Phx_Dem]

39. He's not as unpopular as the MSM would have you believe.

He is facing more and bigger crises (economy, unemployment, oil spill) and issues (2 wars, and an obstructionist GOP) than either Clinton or Reagan faced, yet his poll numbers are still higher than both them during the same period of their presidencies.

People may not "appreciate" what he's done -- and I would certainly agree with that -- but it's because most of it goes completely unreported by the media. They're too busy trying to create their own narrative that he's too "professorial" (aka smart), he can't emote (aka he's calm and focused), and he's weak (but then he fired McChrystal so now he's not weak anymore), but his record says exactly the opposite.

You can believe what the media spews, or the truth that is staring you in the face.

[WI_DEM]

18. But he hasn't been a failure. He is doing ok and his poll numbers given the problems he has

inherited are pretty stable.

[damntexdem]

21. Two different questions: (1) if Obama fails, (2) if Obama is not reelected.

Different prep would be necessary for 1, for 2, and for 1 and 2 together.

[Oregone]

23. Huh? Obama can win the election after a failed presidency, and can fail as a president and still win

On the last point, see Bush for example.


Addressing your real point...what happens if he isn't re-elected? Be mad for a while, elect someone eventually that makes you happy, be pacified, try again. Its the American way.

[yurbud]

27. plan to prevent it by purging blue dogs and DLC ''New Democrats''

who would rather lose than turn on their corporate masters.

[Telly Savalas]

46. How's that going so far this primary season?

Of the 435 House primaries and several dozen Senate primaries going on now, how many of them see a progressive candidate emerging as the victor?

For all the talk of purges, there's surprisingly minimal discussion around here of the specific nuts and bolts of getting it done.

[Ryano42]

28. IF??? IF??? He has failed...completely!

That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?



:eyes:

:sarcasm:

So sick of this defeatist shit...

[Peacetrain]

29. Fail how? He has won it all so far..

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. i dont want to find out. which is my its imperative that the left keep the pressure on him

and not give into the moderates and their fear that palin will take over the minute i mention that obama could be doing more.

[Beetwasher]

32. The We All Get To Have Fun Living Like Road Warrior And Wearing Cool Costumes

[impik]

33. We'll always have purity.

[Mimosa]

34. Obama will win again IF the economy improves substantially

Anything else doesn't much count.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. One issue that I agree with the religious fanatics on is that this country is doomed.

Celebrate the end of America!

The Republican Party is so racist that the country will be destroyed and they can blame it on the black guy.

[stevenleser]

40. The lack of ideas from those who hate Obama is quite enlightening

Good OP. K&R

[Yavin4]

43. Thank You

At least someone gets it.

[LWolf]

41. The same thing we'll have been doing for the last 12 years. nt

[golfguru]

42. U.S. Economy: Confidence Sinks on Concern Over Jobs

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-29/u-s-economy-confidence-sinks-on-concern-over-jobs.html

[tranche]

44. Jeb Bush becomes president and DU becomes awesome again.

It's just a simpler more uncomplicated role. Victim is both easy and fun.

[paulk]

45. if he fails badly enough, he'll be challenged in the primary

and maybe we'll get a Democrat willing to take on the powers that be...

who really is a change agent instead of a campaign slogan.

[rug]

47. What if his presidency fails and he's reelected?

[Fire1]

48. Concern noted. n/t

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[Clio the Leo]

50. I'd sue Kool-Aid .... THAT's for sure. nt

[hollowdweller]

51. Here's my idea

If Obama is defeated and then the country improves under a republican president then we say it's not the republican presidents good job but what Obama did before to set the stage like they did with Clinton's successes :)

No seriously if Obama would lose then I would hopt the GOP wins congress too, enacts a bunch of regressive shit and the economy goes down even further. Then maybe conservatisim will be completely discredited for 20 years.

Conservative policies caused our problems but enough people voted for Obama for change but they did not entirely abandon the conservative ideology. With the return of the republicans and their lack of ideas it would finally get the public to realize there is no problem today that conservative ideas can solve.