Too bad for all of you who are against President Obama, best thing

[akbacchus_BC]

to ever happen to America. He inherited 8 years of thrash and you come on here and blame him for not doing enough in two years. Best fucking President in 16 years. And if you are progressive or independent, be honest, support him if you want your America back. The teabaggers do not count!

[Starry Messenger]

1. mainly because half the people I was with believed it until I explained the situation to them

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[Starry Messenger]

3. I count great!

1, 2, 3, 4

You make me sad panda. :(

[akbacchus_BC]

4. Whatever floats your boat, knock yourself out!

[Starry Messenger]

5. I am both knocking and floating.

It's a gift.

[akbacchus_BC]

9. Ever heard of waste not, want not, You fit the profile!

[Starry Messenger]

10. I am wasting not, nor wanting.

What profile is this? Ever heard of "put down the bong?"

[VMI Dem]

6. Best since Bush I?

Heh.

[phleshdef]

20. The funnier part is your atrocious math skills.

[Tunkamerica]

42. The even funnier part is that in your correction you use incorrect or at least non-standard grammar.

[phleshdef]

81. I pride myself on nonstandard grammar.

I can still do basic subtraction.

[mkultra]

84. you forgot the commas in your title

[Tunkamerica]

38. I thought the same at first

[JVS]

80. Be still my fluttering heart.

[DJ13]

7. Most of the criticism around here stems from his catering to big money

The wars, big money says we stay, so we stay.

HCR, big money said dont mess with the profit streams, so we failed to get adequate reform that helped everyone.

Banks, big money said we dont care if our gluttony almost killed the economy... dont you dare put the old regulations back in place that might damage our ability to make untold wealth for doing nothing, so two+ years after the near collapse of our financial system we still dont have adequate regulations in place (and the bill heading to the WH doesnt do much of anything).

You cant fix all the years of GOP sucking up to big business by .......sucking up to big business.

[akbacchus_BC]

8. You know, you are so right, I was hoping to see real change and

most Americans banked on President Obama to come through for them. I know he has done a lot but am not going to kick him for not doing what all you all want him to do. He inherited a boat load of shit and he is trying his best. Even people in his party are back biting him! Democrats is just a word, and a lot of them are voting with the Republicans. And you expect President Obama to do what? His own is back biting him and poor guy, except for VP Biden, no one has his back.

I feel so sorry for President Obama, America does not fucking deserve him! Not now, not ever!

[caledesi]

22. Agree A...at least he is TRYING! nt

[volvoblue]

12. Exactly what would you have done to keep our economy from flatlining

Your so called being cozy with the corporations stem from your need to see blood. because Obama saw the need to work with, save the banks and try to save our economy instead of giving you short term highs of blood letting is what you now call cozying up to corps.
You think it is a good idea to declare war on business because you think it will burnish your progressive creds? What about some common sense.
Trashing the banks and such only gives you a short high. Solves zip.

[DJ13]

16. Your so called being cozy with the corporations stem from your need to see blood

No, it stems from recognizing that the concentration of corporate influence on our government is the focal point of everything that has gone wrong in our country over the last 30 years.

If he really wants to solve the problems we face first he has to recognize where the problems start and begin there.

[havocmom]

17. Reinstating regulations to prevent the 'too big to fails' from digging deeper holes would be a start

and it ain't happening.

[treestar]

29. Declaring war on business and no one would have a job

The same people demanding jobs are forever trashing business.

Like President Obama could just let the banks fail and the big companies fall and 50% unemployment and hell - at least he wouldn't be "cozying up to the big corporations." Crazy!

[DJ13]

53. You dont declare anything

You just cease to suck up to them in dealing with issues they caused.

[Raineyb]

104. Considering that using the fact that the banks were coming to the government for a big fucking

hand out to to bail them out, that would have been the perfect time to slap some regulation onto them. But they didn't and now, there's no way in hell the banks are going to allow the government to do a proper job of regulating them as evidenced by the amount of money being spent lobbying to weaken this not all that strong bill to begin with.

One doesn't need to go to Harvard to know that when an industry is in trouble and is asking for money that one does not had over that money without putting down some mighty big strings. (Stringent regulation being one of those strings) Something that did NOT happen at the time.

Did this not occur to you?

[havocmom]

15. "You cant fix all the years of GOP sucking up to big business by .......sucking up to big business."

That profoundly simple and accurate logic seems to escape a lot of people.

[sandnsea]

23. Yeah well he fixed 90% and that's good enough for me n/t

[Chulanowa]

24. Nor can you fix three decades of economic rape in under three years.

Especially not when you're facing a hostile / apathetic legislature, and your own constituents are arm-in-arm with the people who think you're a Kenyan Muslim Communazi.

[akbacchus_BC]

30. Thank you and even when your own people voting against you!

President Obama only had two people in his camp, Ted Kennedy and VP Biden. Look at How JFK had his brother, guess they never thought President Obama would have won. He also has Kerry on his side, the rest, the waiting to bring him down! And they call themselves Democrats!

[Chulanowa]

34. That's actually par for the course for the Democratic Party

It's our Great Tradition. All the way back to Jackson, the democrats have constantly engaged in self-destructive intrigues that regularly (and dramatically) throw us out of governance. Also, all the way back to Jackson (again) the party has a nasty, nasty habit of acting completely counter to common sense.

Not sure what can be done about these problems, myself. But they're very evidently there. Circular firing squads and popular disconnect are sort of the defining points of the Democrats, sadly.

[pundaint]

44. He should be glad he got one vote on promises, for you to expect more than that In return for

continued exclusion from public discourse, is just unreasonable. Obama has chosen to walk away from many of his '08 supporters. He's chosen to walk away from many of his loyal fan club as well, but the dream is strong, and persists without evidence, as it is only a dream.

[Chulanowa]

49. He hasn't diverged too much from this '08 supporter

Of course he and I aren't in lockstep, but I'm not a dumbass, so that helps; I realize he and I are not the same person, and I cannot control him with my mind.

Unfortunately it seems many of his '08 supporters were in fact blathering dumbfucks who never once listened to anything he ever said, instead choosing to think they were electing a movie president who would miraculously do everything they considered "good" and what's more, do it on their schedule.

If you thought Obama was going to pull our troops out of everywhere on Feb 1st 2009, or if you thought that he was going to lead an October revolution, or if you thought he would at least have the rubberstamp that Bush got in the legislature... you were deluding yourself. And I'm truly sorry, I can understand what a letdown it is, but if yyou had unrealistic expectations based on what you wanted him to say rather than what he actually ever said, well... it's really not his fault.

[pundaint]

56. You make unsupported allegations.

[Chulanowa]

62. What, that some "supporters" were ignorant and milquetoast?

Or that you're deluded if you thought he was promising an immediate withdrawal from anywhere?

These both look like plainly supported facts to me; Many of Obama's "supporters" ditched him the moment he was inaugurated, and they didn't see an instant change in everything. And given that he never stated he would be ditching Afghanistan (in fact he stated the complete opposite) if you think he DID say that, then you are clearly deluded.

So not sure what you think is "unsupported"

[pundaint]

73. Your third and fifth to name two.

[treestar]

27. There are so many insane assumptions underlying that post

that it would be impossible to untangle them.

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77. It's always been easier to destroy and criticize than it is to support and build

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[Beacool]

13. Do you even know who was president 16 years ago?

George H. W. Bush. Obama in your opinion is the best president since Bush????

:7

BTW, no politician is owed blind support. They should all have their feet held to the fire. Obama is no exception.

;-)

[phleshdef]

18. 2010-16=1994 = Bill Clinton was President.

[Beacool]

28. I was thinking of when he got elected.

Regardless, I would take Bill Clinton over Obama in a heartbeat.

Chacun a son gout.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9vOi1ZxRzI&feature=related

:shrug:

[Tunkamerica]

45. nm

[Beacool]

57. Bush was president until the morning of January 20, 1993.

Obama took office exactly 16 years later. Besides, what's with all the damn superlatives. He's the best thing that happened to America? I can think of several other presidents that would top that list.

[Tunkamerica]

68. yep, you're right. i was but a wee child. should've done the math

[Beacool]

70. No problem............

Hey, I'm far from being perfect (as plenty here will attest).

:7


:hi:

[suzie]

82. Good for you. How many senate seats, governorships, congressional seats,

all kinds of elective Democratic offices did we lose during the Clinton administration because of Bill Clinton's need to constantly act out his sexual addiction?

I would never trade Obama--or most other Democrat--for Bill Clinton, who cares nothing about the rest of the Democratic Party, only about himself.

[ieoeja]

86. Zero.

However, we did lose a lot of those seats because of Clinton's policies and politics.

The Assault Weapons Ban was our biggest loser in the short run. But in the longer run, Clinton's political success -- in a two presidential elections where the teabaggers were split between the Republican and Reform parties -- caused Democrats to emulate his campaign tactic which largely consisted of bad-mouthing his fellow Democrats.

The district where I grew up is a good example. We were pretty reliably Democratic even through the Reagan era. Not as progressive as some districts, but there was no confusing the Democrats with the Republicans, especially on the economic front. Then the local Democrats started copying Clinton's ploy decrying those damn liberals in Washington. And it worked after a fashion. They succeeded in convincing everyone that Democrats are bad, so they now mostly elect Republicans.

And they completely fail to see the correlation. They will tell you that they changed because the district changed. But I saw it happening at the time. If EVERYBODY argues in favor of Rightwing policies, then the voters are obviously going to favor Rightwing policies. They have never heard anybody make an argument against those policies.

[suzie]

87. I'm sorry, but I watched a lot of good Democrats, FDR Democrats, turn away

in disgust at Clinton's ongoing shenanigans.

And a lot of other Democrats having to spend all their time for years defending the man and his endless sexual acting out.

There were lots of people who were marginal Democrats that just no longer wanted to be associated with the ongoing embarrassment that is watching Bill Clinton hitting on women, constantly.

There were huge amounts of political capital spent because this one guy is an addict, who will never try to overcome that addiction.

And I watched my district change from Democratic to Republican, during the Clinton scandals. I also listened to people--and it was not about policy, it was about a perception of Democrats as embodied by the leading guy.

[benEzra]

91. The AWB passed in '94. Dems lost the House AND Senate in '94. Lewinsky was hired in '95.

The Clinton scandals had nothing whatsoever to do with the loss of the House and Senate in '94. You can blame Third Way gun prohibition zealotry for most of that.

[suzie]

101. Gennifer Flowers was in '95? Paula Jones in 95'?

I believe that the Paula Jones stuff came up in 1994.

Sorry, but I've worked at the local level and base my observations on listening to and talking to Democrats during the Clinton years.

There was great fatigue out there among the troops with all the Clinton scandals.

[benEzra]

103. Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones were widely perceived as peripheral issues

and I don't know of any Dems who considered that a voting issue, even those who strongly disapproved; I seem to recall most of the noise about those two coming from the far right. I do know dozens, however, who considered the 1994 Feinstein-law betrayal a voting issue. And it wasn't until the Lewinsky scandal, IIRC, that his behavior was seen as a serious issue by most people. Tom Foley, who voted for the AWB and became the first sitting House Speaker to lose his seat since the Civil War, had nothing to do with Flowers or Jones, and neither did the other pro-AWB Dems and Repubs who went down in '94.

Also consider that Bob Dole (who carpet-bombed gun owners during his campaign) went down in flames in 1996 even as gun owners continued to pick up seats, both (D) and (R). One would think that if a significant percentage of Dems viewed Clinton's sexual escapades as meriting a vote for the other guy, then Dole would have raked in those votes, but he obviously didn't.

I'm not minimizing Clinton's bad behavior, BTW---it was certainly unbecoming of his office---I just don't see it as having had much of an impact at the polls 1994-2004.

[Beacool]

99. That's your prerogative.

But the assertion that Bill cares nothing about the Democratic party is plain nonsense. If he didn't care he wouldn't bother to continue to fundraise and campaign for many Democratic politicians. Furthermore, in some spots, these politicians would prefer Bill coming to help them out than Obama.

As for his sexual antics, why don't you direct your anger to the Repugs and their witch hunt? They spent 5 years persecuting the president, his wife and staffers for what? To find out that he received oral sex from a more than willing woman????? Aside from the many millions of dollars that it cost the taxpayers.

Please.........

:eyes:

[suzie]

102. I'll direct my disdain exactly where it's deserved and that's on Bill Clinton and

his overwhelming narcissism and disdain for the rest of his party, or anyone that counted on him.

Republicans did spend 5 years persecuting him, but he left that door open by having been one of the worst serial philanderers around and by his own arrogance.

The man did not have to fool around with 20 something interns, given his record and the fact that Republicans were gunning for him. He did so because he really is an addict--I think Jerry Ford was correct about that.

I was appalled at the amount of money spent by Republicans, but more appalled at the arrogance of Bill Clinton in continuing his mega risk-taking behavior as if it didn't matter. Because making it more difficult to accomplish anything, expending his own political capital and that of everyone else in defending his ongoing shenanigans did matter in trying to get stuff done and in trying to elect other Democrats--even if Clinton supporters want to ignore it.

Clinton, like any other out of office politician, misses the spotlight--of course he's willing to go and and fundraise. What's not to like about basking in the glow of adoring fans who still feel that this supremely arrogant man was a victim?

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[Beacool]

98. Uncalled for...............

:eyes:

[akbacchus_BC]

21. Bill Clinton, If I were to ask you to same question re Canada, you

would fail.

[Tunkamerica]

47. no question there.

I didn't realize you were Canadian. Totally understandable.

[treestar]

26. No they don't. Why do they need their feet held to the fire?

Obama's doing what he said he would do.

This constant assertion they need their feet held to the fire assumes an underlying premise: that others will do nothing without negative reinforcement.

[SunsetDreams]

31. It's no longer "holding feet to the fire", more like scorching them

any chance SOME people get.

[Beacool]

32. Whatever.............

The man is perfect, we have a public option, the clean up in the Gulf is a model of organization and efficiency, millions of people are back to work, Gitmo is closed and all is well in the world.

I guess some of us must live in a different country.

:eyes:

[akbacchus_BC]

46. You are one trick pony! No matter what the President does, you will

never be satisfied. And he did not create the oil spill but he is trying his best to contain it. Why don't you go after Jindal, but no, your animosity is showing!

[Beacool]

52. And you're not, dear?

;)

[treestar]

58. Well that was a good idea! Why not go after Jindal!

You know, Republicans?

[Beacool]

65. I have no problem going after any Republican.

But these masturbatory posts are just plain silly. Obama is the best thing that EVER happened to America? Please, some sense of historical perspective and reality would help.

The man has a very tough job, but it was a job of his own choosing.

:shrug:

[treestar]

83. So it would have been for Hillary or anyone else

And the mess would have been the same.

[dave29]

109. here cum the masturbation references

Maybe Bill should have tried some of that.

[akbacchus_BC]

61. Wasting my time replying to you, but here you go! No matter what

President Obama does, he is still miniscule in your eyes! Did you see how much he was admired at the G8! Need I say more?

[Beacool]

69. Oh, chill out.

I'm too happy today to argue with you. I know that you like Obama a lot, but you drive me nuts when you go over the top with the superlatives. You get so upset when people criticize him. Criticism is par for the course for presidents. Don't take it so personally.

:D


:hi:

[suzie]

114. And yet, you suggested upthread that it was improper to criticize Bill Clinton.

[amandabeech]

100. When the economy fell into the crapper, Obama needed to make the economy his first priority

by far.

He voted for the ill-considered bank bailout legislation, appointed a bunch of free market Clinton retread "liberals" to economic policy positions and passed a stimulus bill that was also ill-considered and probably too small.

I think that bailing out two major industrial firms and keeping more people employed in that industry was a good idea from an economic and security standpoint, and I credit him with that.

Having done that, Obama moved on to watered down health insurance reform and cap and trade, neither of which will improve the economy right now and may not in the future, despite Obama's statements to the contrary.

Seemingly without noticing the jobless rate and the domestic economy, about six months ago, Obama also decided to pour many more lives and much money into Afghanistan even though the defense department admitted at the time that there were no more than 100 Al Quaeda there.

Meanwhile, the jobless rate has remained staggeringly high and the banks aren't lending to businesses.


So what is Obama doing now?

Obama's latest economic proposal is to enter into a "free" trade agreement with South Korea so that we can send them more of

our jobs in addition to what we already have sent them of our mortgaged and over-stretched military.


The urgent issues of the 2008 primaries are not the urgent issues we are facing right now in mid-2010.

Unfortunately, it seems that Obama can't change his priorities as quickly as the nation's priorities change.

That is why Obama's at least partially true statements about his fulfillment of his campaign promises matter very little to many, many Americans including some of us who post here on DU.

[Common Sense Party]

63. I absolutely LOVE your .gif. GO, ARGENTINA!!!

[Beacool]

66. Thanks!!!

They did great today. Did you see Tevez' spectacular goal? It was a thing of beauty. I'll keep the gif until tomorrow, it's a bit too large.

:D

The hard part will come Friday against Germany.

:(

[Common Sense Party]

75. Yup. Fantastic golazo. I'm a bit bummed that with all the double- and triple-

teaming Messi hasn't been able to score yet, but he has been setting up some wonderful opportunities for the other strikers.

Yes, Germany will be their toughest test. But I feel positive. It will be close, but if Diego can make the guys play defense, I think they can win.

[Beacool]

78. I'm so hoping they advance to the next round.

Maradona has put his heart into the team and it cheers me up to see him so thrilled every time they score.

Messi hasn't scored yet, but like you said, he set up some wonderful opportunities for his team players. He's one phenomenal player and has more than earned his #1 world ranking.

:hi:

[caledesi]

19. Amen A! nt

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[Beacool]

37. They did not vote for Obama when? Maybe in the primaries.

But the majority of Democrats lined up to vote like little loyal soldiers for Obama in the GE because the other option would have been terrible for the country. That does not mean that he should get a free pass from those who voted for him, no president does.

:shrug:

[pundaint]

33. How is voting for a politician who offers me nothing of what I want, honest? You can no longer

scare our votes by threatening us with getting a president who will give us nothing, because we have that. You can't threaten us with being excluded from the process going forward, because we've had that too. You better just continue working on the Republican voters who have been enjoying the most consideration given the losing side in the 40 years I've been paying attention, maybe they'll vote Democratic.

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[Dr.Phool]

50. I voted for him. Can I have it back?

I'd like to write in Nader.

I didn't like him in the primaries. Out of 8 candidates, he was number 7 in my preference. Followed by Hillary. But, like a loyal Dem, I voted for him anyway, because there really was no choice. I didn't see any "there" there, and I still don't.

Here's my perspective from May of 2008. They ALL sucked!

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Dr.Phool/1

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67. You sound like on all-knowing idiot.

According to you, there's a lot of us who voted for Obama, who never voted for him in the first place. Somebody elected the guy.

And just for your info, I've worked for EVERY Democratic presidential candidate since McGovern, except this one. And not just working a phone bank, but in senior campaign positions. I've also run for Congress as a Dem in the past, and have managed several congressional campaigns.

I've put in more time trying to elect Dems in any month, than you have in your entire life. But, I don't join fan clubs.

[pundaint]

54. Strong argument, but now you are wrong about more things.

[SunsetDreams]

40. Who is this "us" you speak of?

Obama has gave nothing?? Really?

"What is up with all the I haven't got what I want yet, so I am ignoring all the accomplishments and progress he's made?"

I haven't got what I want yet, so I'm taking my ball and going home.

[akbacchus_BC]

41. Not the person's fault, sometimes we get carried away assuming 'we'

as a whole are on the same side but we have to be careful.

[pundaint]

72. As near as I have evidence there's me and the two individuals who were kind enough

to send me supportive e-mails. Since you are so insightful, what has Obama given me that I want?

Perhaps you could be specific about some provision of any legislation he signed which he argued strenuously for. Perhaps you could specify a time when Congress just wasn't doing enough for the American People, and he used his office to get better legislation passed.

Everybody running on the Democratic side in '08 was a not Bush. Obama is turning out to be insufficiently not Bush to get another vote from me. No Republican I am aware of will either, so maybe the strategy is sound - ignoring my priorities does only cost the Democrats half a vote, or if we extend it to the us - a vote and a half.

I voted for Change, not Obama, and I still want the Change I voted for, except now I know he doesn't have any.

[treestar]

59. Nothing?

wow, you are unreasonable.

[pundaint]

74. No, my want's are simple. Open government. No lobbyists in government. Healthcare reform without

any of the provisions correctly ridiculed by candidate Obama, no stupid wars, close gitmo within a year. Return to the rule of law might have been nice, uphold the constitution would be good, but I don't want to be too unreasonable.

[BeyondGeography]

35. I agree with you, but you sound drunk

[akbacchus_BC]

39. Wow, you can see through the computer? Never been drunk but thanks!

[BeyondGeography]

43. You're not missing much

:hi:
Re-K&R

[akbacchus_BC]

48. bye .............

[pundaint]

85. A drunk might confuse hearing with seeing. I have not formed a sobriety opinion myself, jest saying

[opihimoimoi]

60. KnR.....GOP guilty of Delusional Decisions....vain and void of reason..

they act/are Poor Losers when caught...as in an election.

They throw fits

They stoop to pick Nit Nuts ...Nit Picker Union #417 even...

Obama is setting the bar high and them Pubs frothing at the mouth with smoke pillowing from ears

So far no one in the GOP comes remotely close to Obama in terms of achievements and diplomacy

[akbacchus_BC]

64. Not even the Gop, some Dems are voting against him, Sad!

[opihimoimoi]

71. There are always a few to vote the other way.....rectify by voting them out.

[saracat]

76. Flamebait,

[mochajava666]

79. Definately flame bait, IBTL

Unrec.

[Blue_In_AK]

108. Yes, it is.

Sounds like a taunt to me.

[MadHound]

88. You know, I'm not against Obama,

However I find that he is against me. His actions are trashing my profession, namely education. His wars are ruining this country. His continuing assault on civil liberties are negating my rights.

I find it hard to support a political leader who doesn't support me.

[RBInMaine]

89. Fuckin'-A spot on right ! HUGE GOOD accomplishments in just a year and half. Naysayers need a

bigtime reality check.

[arcadian]

95. I think you need a reality check.

[grahamhgreen]

90. We support him, but not the war, the crapsurance bill, continued rendition, torture gitmo, etc....

Can you support us?

[Orsino]

92. I support him because he beats the alternative.

Perhaps he is a great president, perhaps even the best ever.

It is not likely to matter in a few years, unless we all get on board with real change.

[Fire1]

94. Hijacked threads need to be locked. n/t

[Go2Peace]

107. Hijacked? The OP INVITED a flame war.

And we are surprised at what happened.

[Phx_Dem]

96. +10000

[Vinca]

97. I will say it again. We are not sheep . . . or lemmings.

Like that other party. I will not blindly "support" a person without regard for their policies. I am not in agreement with the POTUS on a number of issues - health care nonreform and Afghanistan to name 2 things - but in 2012 I will vote for him because anyone the Republicans have to put up would be a million times worse.

[Xenotime]

106. I thought Obama bashing wasn't allowed anymore on the forum.

how is it they are still getting their message across?

[Skittles]

111. because

refusing to be a fucking SHEEP is not "bashing" - please, pull your head out

[Skittles]

110. LOLOL

:rofl:

[Lindsey]

112. Just listen to Rachel's comments regarding all that President

Obama has done in only 1 1/2 years. It's amazing. What he inherited from Bush/Cheney IMO is the worst I've ever seen or hear of.

[Lindsey]

113. Just listen to Rachel's comment regarding all that President

Obama has done in only 1 1/2 years. It's amazing. What he was left with from Bush/Cheney is the worst I've ever seen or heard of.