If there is another oil gusher on the coast, the government shouldn't help...

[Drunken Irishman]

Not if judges are going to lift Obama's temporary ban on deepwater oil drilling.

It's like these assholes are asking for another oil disaster out there.

But if it happens, why should the government help now?

[bluestateguy]

1. I agree 100%

You want to drill baby drill? Fine. Knock yourself out. But Uncle Sam will not be there to help if the oil starts jizzing again.

[JuniperLea]

2. Frustrating, isn't it?

Screw the millions of people who are suffering... screw the millions of fishes, shellfish and dolphin that are suffering... save the jobs and big profit for the handful!

Hell, the gulf is already dead, right?

:cry:

[vaberella]

4. You know of the millions of people suffering they support oil drilling.

This is the problem with Louisiana judge. Despite his own interests there are people there that want their marshland saved at the same time ending the moratorium.

[JuniperLea]

6. That's an illustration of just how strong that Kool Aid is, methinks...

Granny used to call it cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[vaberella]

8. Yup. Most of the news in LA seemecd to be against the moratorium.

Some of the articles were read on MSNBC last week. I was in shock and I still can't get over it.

[vaberella]

3. We have to help if it's within our water lines.

This affects us in the end anyway.

[jenmito]

5. I said the same thing last week when all of the politicians in LA were complaining about

how Obama will be giving them more pain with this moratorium, that THEY want to allow drilling. If they get their way, against all of Obama's attempts to not allow it for safety reasons, and another catastrophe happens, they have no right to ask for any help.

[vaberella]

7. Would this include Jindal, in politicians? n/t

[jenmito]

12. Of course. n/t

[DrDan]

9. doesn't sound like the WH cares much . . . they are not going to appeal

[Uzybone]

10. where did you hear that they aren't going to appeal?

[DrDan]

15. here

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/06/23/4550564-us-wont-appeal-court-order-against-moratorium

Apparently will seek another moratorium. But will not be appealing the judge's ruling.

[vaberella]

17. But they're putting another one in place. It's actually faster than waiting on appeals.

Don't you think? So how is it they don't care? You don't make sense.

[DrDan]

25. I have a hard time believing in Salazar. I am just concerned as to whether a

new moratorium will in fact be stronger than an appeal.

[vaberella]

27. I don't think it's stronger....but it moves faster with less tape.

A New moratorium basically does the same thing but can be written and put in place faster than any appeal. An appeal goes through a process and it takes time and it could be thrown out or takes depending on the channels it goes through. Rather than wasting time on something like that which also takes on tax payer money. We just write a new one and bam.

[DrDan]

29. I am just becoming very cynical about Salazar

he has already done this . . .

"Salazar has instructed all employees to not take any action to enforce the moratorium. It also says the department is sending letters to operators who received notices of suspension that those notices have no legal effect at this time."

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/06/24/4556250-stay-denied-us-says-its-complying-with-moratorium-ruling

I await his action re a new moratorium. I am probably wrong . . . and hope I am.

[vaberella]

33. It's fair to be wary of Salazar but he's on top of things now:

Or it seems that way...

links:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x353877
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4439436

[phleshdef]

23. Try reading more than just the headline.

"The plan now is for the government to seek a new moratorium, doing so in a way that avoids some of the legal problems identified by the judge who issued yesterday's injunction."

[DrDan]

26. I know what it says. I am just losing confidence fast in this administration's

claim to want to do the right thing. There is a loud voice calling for more jobs via more drilling. And I think these voices may influence decisions from the WH.

[vaberella]

28. To be fair those voices are actually the voices of the people.

I realize it may shock you, because it sure as hell shocked me...but these people need the oil rigs drilling so they can have a job to feed their families. No job no money, and we have a shady congress who won't pay for unemployment benefits and the 100 million that BP gave is a good start but we need more if we want to keep a good number of people off the rigs. I think we can be reimbursed by bp but we'd have to front that money. This loud voice is not just repubs...there are actually people seriously affected by this.

[DrDan]

30. it's truly a conundrum . . .

but as Maher says - how long do we support a bad policy just because it brings jobs.

Either way - jobs are lost. People are hurt. I wish I truly believed that the decision will be based on what is best for the population. I fear there is another agenda at work that supercedes what is best for us mere mortals. Past decisions seem to support that.

[vaberella]

32. I mean how do you fix this situation.

Your statement doesn't really give a quick fix. So we remove the jobs---we have Republicans in office that would never help these people and you know that. We'd have to put all those people through work training for new positions, during that time we'd have to supplement their living expenses while they are in training. Do you honestly think American tax payers have in their heart for that? This is America, you pick yourself up. Government would be too big---That's our America. You talk like this is something the President would like to happen. This goes over his head to our own culture and how these environmental abuses actually are our responsibility---meaning it's beyond the government at times. This has nothing to do with policy to be honest. This has everything to do with our status as a developed nation that feeds on more, more, more. Skyscapers that New York is known for don't run on solar power, but on oil and electricity. Boats run on oil, traveling runs on oil---everything in our bloody life runs on oil. Until you're willing to take on the life of the Amish---we'll we have to realize our very existence is based on this stuff. So it's not just jobs...it's the entire culture. In essence it's more than bad policy, it's our bad habits.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Really?

After striking down the moratorium on Tuesday, a federal judge in New Orleans rejected an administration request to allow the six-month ban to stand while the government appeals his decision.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100624/us_nm/us_oil_spill

[DrDan]

14. will seek another moratorium - but will not appeal

http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/06/23/4550564-us-wont-appeal-court-order-against-moratorium

[Drunken Irishman]

16. ...

Once the Interior Department issues its new moratorium, the government fully expects another legal challenge and very likely another court order blocking it. But on the second round, with a modified moratorium, the Justice Department believes it would be on firmer ground to seek an appeal.

[vaberella]

18. I don't get it either. Wouldn't this be faster than an appeal?n/t

[treestar]

21. Maybe the new moratorium has something that cures the reasons

the court overturned the moratorium - it's in the details - maybe those should be considered first before conclusions like "they don't care much."

[DrDan]

24. your lectures aside - I have no confidence in Salazar and the stated intentions of a stronger

moratorium.

Put your faith in him . . .

[treestar]

31. But that has nothing to do with it

It would be the case that quashed the moratorium, plus the terms of the new one that matter.

[Zoeisright]

22. Wrong. They DID appeal and it was denied. Now they're

working on a new moratorium. Might want to check the news first.

[obxhead]

11. If the gov does not help, we will be the ones to suffer.

Help for us can come in many forms. Even if it's only making sure the offenders are held to a standard of response and cleanup.

For the gov to sit back and do nothing is exactly what the oil industry is looking for.

[vaberella]

19. Exactly. n/t

[ashling]

20. Give this judge the bill

or better, just take it out of his check