With Petraeus in Command, will we Win in Afghanistan like we Won in Iraq?

[Robert DAH Bruce]

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[Moochy]

25. Pretty much

Get with the program, 'malcontents' :sarcasm:

[Frustratedlady]

2. We won in Iraq? Why didn't someone tell me? n/t

[LawnKorn]

17. The right wing media told everybody who would listen that 'Bush won in Iraq"

The story didn't work; McCain lost badly. We still have a standing army of 90,000 troops in Iraq, who are still fighting.

In Vietnam we were using F-4s against peasants in black pajamas. Today we are using JDAMs against suicide car bombers.

If there is any 'winner' in Iraq, it will be Raytheon and General Dynamics. The blood of our soldiers puts money in the pockets of defense contractors.

[Frustratedlady]

34. Sorry, I should have put a sarcasm thingy on my comment.

I cannot imagine how any of those people can even attempt a normal life. Poor things have been under such horror and mayhem for so long, we can't even begin to imagine.

I also can't imagine an end to it all.

Thanks for the explanation and reminder of the horrible things we are doing to the world.

[Sinistrous]

3. Absolutely ! Just like Iraq...

unless, of course, we do worse.

[Clear Blue Sky]

4. Now we like General Betrayus?

[Phx_Dem]

6. Grow up.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. What does that mean? We (by that I mean DU in general) HATED Betrayus before 11/4/2008

Hated him.

Fucking hated him.

Now we're supposed to "grow up" and like him, because he's a back row piece in President Obama's 16 dimensional chess game?

[Phx_Dem]

29. What's not to understand? Name calling is childish and imbicillic.

I didn't say you have to like him or anyone else, but you sound like a snotty second-grader . . . I hate you, General Butthead.

[Robert DAH Bruce]

30. "General Butthead?" cp didn't say that!

And I, myself, have said worse about Petraeus.

[Phx_Dem]

35. No, he said MUCH MUCH worse.

General "Betraeus" is appalling. Not a whole lot different than people who don't like Obama, calling him Hitler.

At least you identify youself with "these" people. Good to know.

[golfguru]

18. Yes, we will back any general or politician

depending on how the wind blows. Petraeus bad yesterday, hunky dory today.

[VMI Dem]

5. Dave has got this.

[Robert DAH Bruce]

7. Meaning what?

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

9. Yes

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. Bzzzzzzt. Wrong.

Unless you can define "win in Afghanistan", which no one else at DU seems to be willing to take a stab at.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

37. We will 'win' like we did in Iraq.

Only, as you and I both know, there was no win.

[Arkansas Granny]

10. When did we "win" in Iraq?

[FiveGoodMen]

11. Pretty sure the OP was sarcastic

[phantom power]

12. It doesn't matter who we put in charge, or how smart they are.

We could re-animate Sun Tzu himself, put him in charge, and if he's as brilliant as the legends say, his plan would be to withdraw and go home.

[maxsolomon]

19. probably not

his plan would be to raze the place to the ground and leave every inhabitant dead

[Jakes Progress]

13. Just like Iraq. Actually it will be more

like our exit from Viet Nam. I think presidents just keep sending our men to die there so they won't have to be in office when the helicopters leave Khandahar with civilians clinging to the wheels.

[harun]

16. I think you are right.

[JackRiddler]

14. You mean by exterminating many thousands of people largely at random?

No laughing matter.

[bvar22]

15. This is not even rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

This is merely adding a potted palm to the deck chair arrangement while the ship is sinking.

[HughMoran]

20. You know something? If calling it "winning" let's us withdraw forces

Then that's frickin' fine with me. Obviously there is no winning there, so if 'winning' gets us out - it's all good IMO.

[smalll]

27. Somehow, I don't see Petreus willing to take over as a fig-leaf for a bug-out.

I'm Just Sayin'!

:shrug:

Somehow, I think Petreus still believes in the W-word. ("Win" --- look it up in the 2008 Democratic Party Platform -- it's in there!)

[Robert DAH Bruce]

36. Nor do I

The problem with being GUNG ho is that you never know when it's time to HEAVE ho!

[GeorgeGist]

21. First he'll fool the lamestreammedia ...

and then the lamestream will forget it lost the war on Afghanistan. Problem solved. Sheer genius.

[Jennicut]

24. Iraq involved the buying off of Sunnis. Who do we buy off here?

Petraeus has about that option and nothing else left. How can COIN work in a country where there is Karzai for a leader? Afghanistan is not Iraq. We all know it, they all know it, and Petraeus has the job of extracting us out of this mess by sometime in 2011. Or keeping us there 100 years. Depends on who wins in the WH. Root against Hillary and Gates.

[Robert DAH Bruce]

28. We're already buying off tribal warlords

http://heraldnet.com/article/20100623/NEWS02/706239822/-1/news02

And that's just to get supplies through to our troops!

[smalll]

26. Well, Obama did promise to "win in Afghanistan" --- and guess what???

War's not yet over ----- wait for it! ---- it can go EITHER WAY!

I know, shocking, isn't it?

Just because America is (as you believe) hopelessly evil, doesn't mean we have to lose. No war is certain. So we could actually (not to blow your mind) -- WIN this one!

[Moochy]

31. Just because America is (as you believe) hopelessly evil

Smear merchant.

[Aramchek]

32. he promised to win the 2008 Primary, as well. and guess what? Your war's not over yet, apparently

[bigwillq]

33. "We" can never "win" in the Middle East

A lost cause.