Anyone listening to Bill Press show: McChrystal will STAY put

[bigdarryl]

According to some Reporter at the White house name Margarete Tulum.WTF!!!! if true does this make Obama look weak.

[babylonsister]

1. Not necessarily. "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." nt

[customerserviceguy]

2. No, this is the President making sure that McChrystal is the fall guy

for the Afghanistan war. If Obama fires him, then we bug out of there, the President gets the 'blame'. Either that, or we keep on sending men there to die at the rate of about ten a week, without end.

[bigdarryl]

3. Sorry it doen't work that way Obama had the chance to get the hell out of there and choose

not to its his WAR not the General and he will be blamed if things goes soar.

[vaberella]

6. It's been his war from the moment he stepped into office.

This is a government initiated process. Obama has always said the focus for him was Afghanistan. However, I wasn't too keen on the escalation. I think if he fires McChrystal or not it would have always been his war at this point.

[Lil Missy]

9. FAILED logic.

[Phx_Dem]

24. True. Presidents get the credit or blame for how a war ends.

Obama knows this. If he doesn't fire the General, it's because he feels he needs in on the battlefield or because he doesn't want to hurt troop morale. (although what kind of morale can you have with this comtemptuous jerk in charge?)

[customerserviceguy]

33. At the time I made my post

I thought that McChrystal might stay in. Having accepted his resignation, and appointed Petraeus to run it, he now owns it lock, stock and barrel.

[flyarm]

4. This is Obama's war now and he is responsible for this as well...

Hersh: U.S Executing Afghan Prisoners

Sat, 15 May 2010 16:48:27 GMT



http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=126589§ionid=351020403

As the Afghan occupation continues to prove troublesome for the Obama administration, a report says US-led troops torture and execute prisoners in the country. Seymour Hersh, an investigative journalist with the New Yorker, made the revelation during the Global Investigative Journalism Conference in Geneva.

"I'll tell you right now, one of the great tragedies of my country is that Mr. Obama is looking the other way, because equally horrible things are happening to prisoners, to those we capture in Afghanistan," Hersh said. He also alleged that US forces were engaged in 'battlefield executions' and other heinous offences, Raw Story reported. "They're being executed on the battlefield. It's unbelievable stuff going on there that doesn't necessarily get reported. Things don't change," Hersh noted.

Hersh who worked for many years at The New York Times also helped break the story that detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq were being tortured by their US jailers. The report comes as the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has recently confirmed reports about the existence of a secret detention facility at a US airbase in Bagram in Afghanistan.

Human rights groups say Bagram and other US-ran jail facilities have remained US torture centers since the toppling of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan nine years ago. However, US officials claim that all inmates in the facility are treated humanely.

[vaberella]

5. What does this have to do with the OP? n/t

[flyarm]

13. Perhaps the pres is afraid of what McCrystal can expose if he is set free?

I sure would be if I allowed torture and murder under my Command!

With McCrystal out of the Military..he can say what he wants..can't he? It all depends on if Obama wants the dirty little secrets exposed..if there are any..or if our Military and the contractors are acting on their own to give away billions of Tax payers dollars to the enemy...ya think?????????

How about the story in the Wash Post and Radio Free Europe and MSNBC about all the money going to the Taliban and insurgents????????

Your and my tax money.........and to all the "so called" Enemy of insurgents and Taliban in Afghan...

http://www.rferl.org/content/Report_Says_US_Contracts_Funding_Afghan_Insurgents/2079669.html

WASHINGTON -- A new congressional report says the U.S. government is inadvertently funding "a vast protection racket run by a shadowy network of Afghan warlords" to safeguard supply lines for U.S. and NATO troops.

The report, appropriately named "Warlord, Inc.," is the product of six months of investigation by the Subcommittee on National Security and Foreign Affairs. It focused on the Pentagon's system of outsourcing to private companies the job of moving supplies in Afghanistan, and leaving it up to them to provide their own security.

At a hearing on the report's findings on June 22, committee chairman John Tierney (Democrat-Massachusetts) said the Department of Defense's "systematic failure of management and oversight of contractors along the Afghan supply chain" has created a "disaster."

"The Department of Defense outsourced almost all operational components of the supply chain that provides our troops with the food, water, fuel and equipment they need do their job. Critically, despite laws and regulations mandating strict oversight of armed private security guards in conflict areas, the department outsourced management responsibility for those hired gunmen to other contractors,” Tierney said.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/21/AR2010062102824.html

Investigators probing US money flow to insurgents

By RICHARD LARDNER
The Associated Press
Monday, June 21, 2010; 9:16 PM

WASHINGTON -- Criminal investigators are examining allegations that Afghan security firms have been extorting as much as $4 million a week from contractors paid with U.S. tax dollars and then funneling the spoils to warlords and the Taliban.

If the allegations are true, the U.S. would be unintentionally financing the enemy and undermining international efforts to stabilize the country.

The payments reportedly end up in insurgent hands through a $2.1 billion Pentagon contract to transport food, water, fuel and ammunition to American troops stationed at bases across Afghanistan. To ensure safe passage through dangerous areas, the trucking companies make payments to local security firms with ties to the Taliban or warlords who control the roads. If the payments aren't made, the convoys will be attacked, according to a U.S. military document detailing the allegations being examined by investigators.

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Investigators probing US money flow to insurgents

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37831037/ns/politics

By RICHARD LARDNER
Associated Press Writer

updated 9:19 p.m. ET, Mon., June 21, 2010
WASHINGTON - Criminal investigators are examining allegations that Afghan security firms have been extorting as much as $4 million a week from contractors paid with U.S. tax dollars and then funneling the spoils to warlords and the Taliban.

If the allegations are true, the U.S. would be unintentionally financing the enemy and undermining international efforts to stabilize the country.

The payments reportedly end up in insurgent hands through a $2.1 billion Pentagon contract to transport food, water, fuel and ammunition to American troops stationed at bases across Afghanistan. To ensure safe passage through dangerous areas, the trucking companies make payments to local security firms with ties to the Taliban or warlords who control the roads. If the payments aren't made, the convoys will be attacked, according to a U.S. military document detailing the allegations being examined by investigators.

[jenmito]

32. Obama DID dump McChrystal. NOW what do you say? n/t

[babylonsister]

8. Yanking a quote from an Iranian source? And posting on a topic

that has nothing to do with the OP, and is old to boot? Yea, I'd say your obsessed. :crazy:

:rofl:

[flyarm]

11. Is Huffington post better for you?

US Troops Carrying Out 'Battlefield Executions' In Afghanistan, Seymour Hersh Says (VIDEO)
First Posted: 05-13-10 11:08 AM | Updated: 05-13-10 03:37 PM


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/13/us-troops-carrying-out-ba_n_574892.html
Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh says that US forces in Afghanistan are carrying out what he referred to as "battlefield executions" of prisoners.

"One of the great tragedies of my country is that Mr. Obama is looking the other way, because equally horrible things are happening to prisoners, to those we capture in Afghanistan," Hersh said during a discussion at the Global Investigative Journalism Conference last month in Geneva, where he was also the keynote speaker. "They're being executed on the battlefield."

Hersh, who broke the Abu Ghraib prison abuse story in 2004, says that five or six people had told him about the battlefield executions of prisoners. A video of his comments was uploaded to Michael Moore's YouTube Channel on Tuesday.

[flyarm]

17. You are so funny!! I know you have been around here long enough to know Sy Hersh has had his reports

and articles placed in unconventional sources..because our government and our media has done their best to keep truth from the American people!!

You know that..I bet if I went into the archives I could find many postings of yours about Sy's reports ..in unconventional sources.

But I don't have the luxury of the time today...but one day I will..

Some things change and others..not so much!

[tekisui]

7. Big fucking mistake if true.

Obama and McChrystal will fall together. Damn it.

[bigdarryl]

10. Agree

[Thrill]

12. I'm usually an Obama defender. But I think it does make him look weak

Mainly because this isn't the first time McChrystal has underminded him.

Also Pres Obama won't get tough with Republicans on other issues. You really have to wonder if he is just weak. Still wanting everyone to like him.

[WI_DEM]

14. Why don't we wait and see what happens rather than take the word of Margarete Tulum

who I have not even heard of and wait for the explanations too.

[Jennicut]

15. But that would be too easy. And less fun (for some).

[TwilightGardener]

16. Hope this is not true. If it is...big disappointment, and he will lose

respect from the military.

[jenmito]

18. Then why did McChrystal leave the WH entirely? Without going to the scheduled meeting at 11:35? n/t

[Jennicut]

20. 20 minute meeting too. Very short.

[jenmito]

21. On MSNBC they said it was 30 min. But that's still short-as short as his meeting with Gates. n/t

[Jennicut]

22. Sorry, 30 minutes, you are right. But that is not really that long.

[jenmito]

23. Not to mention Obama's meetings almost always go very long if there are difficult

discussions. Hopefully, Obama heard him out and wasn't satisfied enough with his explanation to keep him on.

[backscatter712]

25. Indeed. McChrystal's been canned. n/t

[Aramchek]

19. you wish

[joe black]

26. No surprise.

Obama does'nt call the shots.

[Buenaventura]

27. here's a thought ... bring 'em ALL home NOW! n/t

[polichick]

28. Nevermind - McChrystal's out. nt

[firedupdem]

29. what's bill press saying now? n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Endangered Chilean Sea Bass.

[otohara]

31. Oh Shut Up Bill - why not wait for POTUS

instead of making a fool out of yourself

[Uzybone]

34. if media pundits lost pay for being wrong

maybe they would babble on so much about rubbish.