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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:59 AM
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McChrystal Apologizes for Insulting Obama Team to Magazine
Too little, too late. And I am anxious to hear VP Biden's reaction/response to all this. I bet he's telling the Prez to can McCrystal's ass.


http://washingtonindependent.com/87922/mcchrystal-apologizes-for-insulting-obama-team-to-magazine

McChrystal Apologizes for Insulting Obama Team to Magazine
By Spencer Ackerman 6/22/10 7:37 AM


A not-yet-released Rolling Stone magazine profile of Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, quotes him and anonymous aides expressing anger, disrespect and derision at various members of the Obama administration, including Vice President Biden, Amb. Richard Holbrooke and Amb. Karl Eikenberry, the U.S. ambassador to the country.

The profile itself isn’t out yet. But reporters have gotten its flavor. “Who’s that?” McChrystal is quoted as saying about Biden, who in 2009 didn’t favor McChrystal’s preferred strategy in Afghanistan. Eikenberry, a retired war commander himself, authored cables to Washington questioning whether counterinsurgency can work in the nine-year war and whether President Hamid Karzai is a reliable ally. McChrystal apparently told the magazine, “Here’s one that covers his flank for the history books. Now if we fail, they can say, ‘I told you so.’”

Last night, McChrystal released a statement to reporters taking responsibility for the profile, while not addressing any specific quotes attributed to him. Here it is in full:

“I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened. Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard. I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome.”


Update: According to the AP, McChrystal is getting summoned to Washington to be called on the carpet. In the White House, many senior officials still have a bad taste in their mouths over McChrystal’s leaked strategy review — McChrystal and his staff did not leak it — which they considered part of a pressure campaign to get Obama to escalate the Afghanistan. Obama did, and McChrystal testified to Congress in December that he fully endorsed and will faithfully execute the administration’s strategy.

It’s perilous for Obama to fire McChrystal now, with only a year remaining before the July 2011 date for beginning to transition to Afghan security responsibilities and consequently beginning troop reductions. But it’s going to be on McChrystal to repair the trust with the White House this profile has clearly damaged. If McChrystal keeps his command, that Rolling Stone reporter got the general’s last big interview.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:02 AM
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1. It may be perilous, but I still say fire him.
Not just him, but those "anonymous" aides too. They all need to go.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:19 PM
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35. No! No!! He's TOO BIG TO FAIL!!!
There's a lot of that going around in this country these days. Way too many things/people/companies/wars are too big to fail.

I say, we should clean house and fail the whole lot of them.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:03 AM
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2. He should be fired today. No excuses.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:04 AM
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4. If he had any 'personal honor' or 'professional integrity', he'd
resign in disgrace.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:09 AM
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9. True. Obviously, he has none, and the president
simply can't let a soldier calling him "wimp" to stay.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:46 PM
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42. That's what I was thinking. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:32 PM
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48. Perhaps eating one meal a day and sleeping only 4 hours a night makes you say stupid, immature stuff
The general is obviously lacking in the mature judgment required for a commanding general--particularly one in charge of all our forces in Afghanistan.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 04:43 PM
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52. And, allegedly being drunk didn't help either. n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:04 AM
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3. He should be court martialed and dismissed from the service
Humiliate and disgrace him.

Because failure to fire him makes Obama weak, which was the accusation this fucker was making any way. Obama should demonstrate true strength and have Patreus form an Article 32 hearing as soon as McChrystal arrives in D.C.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:05 AM
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5. I would love to know the VP's reaction to this.
McChrystal will never be subordinate to President Obama. He thinks he is a "wimp". Obama should fire his ass and leave Afghanistan at the proposed deadline. Gates is saying how that deadline is not written in stone. Time to gain the upper hand here, if that is what Obama truly wants. Listen to Biden (and Rahm, of all people) and get us out.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:09 AM
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8. And it's odd that the pull-out date is 'etched in stone' per
Petraeus. They need to get their collective acts together imo...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=343210

To gop senators' dismay, Petraeus affirmed that “July 2011 is etched in stone.”
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:21 AM
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11. There is an internal fight and there has always been one.
Obama knows the two sides. It is up to him to decide. I know which side I would go with. The perfect opportunity to say McChrystal's plan is not working. Gates tried to say the other day that we are making progress. I am not seeing it.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:05 AM
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6. Hate to say this but Obama should have FIRED his ass the last time he spoke out on him
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 07:07 AM by bigdarryl
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:26 AM
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29. Absolutely. nt
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 11:31 AM by AtomicKitten
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:06 AM
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7. It's MORE perilous for Obama if he doesn't fire him.
It would only reinforce the idea of the "whimps" in the WH.

McChrystal is clearly in violation of the UCMJ, and as such, should be Courts Martialed.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:16 AM
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10. McChrystal shouldn't have apologized. He said it and he meant it.
And let him accept the consequences from The Commander In Chief like the officer and gentleman that he is.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:20 AM
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17. I agree.
He appears to have meant what he said. He should stand by his statements and take the consequences. I bet the WH is furious, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when he meets Obama.

:D
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:18 AM
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26. Your emitcon says it all.
As does this excerpt from the Rolling Stones article in a kind of two a-hole peas in an a-hole pod kind of way:


The Secretary of State is the only member of Obama's staff to get good reviews from McChrystal's people:


"Hillary had Stan's back during the strategic review," says an adviser. "She said 'If Stan wants it, give him what he needs.' "
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:00 PM
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31. Ahhh, you're so predictable.
Attack Hillary no matter what the subject of the article. As for the a-hole remark, you're classy as usual.

:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:02 PM
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32. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:44 PM
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40. How is it an attack? It's a fact based on McChrystal's statements.
I don't see it as an attack.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:33 PM
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45. The a-hole remark was part of McChrystal's statements?
:eyes:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 04:42 PM
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51. So the OP when she stated a-hole
One of the a-hole's is HRC? When I first read it, that's not what I understood it as.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 04:35 PM
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50. Where is the Hillary attack here?
The fact is we knew a year ago that Clinton supported McChyrstal's policy and backed a large increase in troops. There have been tons of posts on that. That McChrystal likes the person who most agreed with him is not too surprising.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:24 AM
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12. The following remark by McChrystal is very telling:
The article also claims McChrystal has seized control of the war "by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House."

So, to McChrystal, the White House is the enemy. Sounds like a traitor to me.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:45 PM
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41. Big time. n/t
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:31 AM
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13. Why was Torture McChrystal chosen in the first place?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:03 AM
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14. Perhaps this is the perfect time to replace McChrystal.
With just a little more than a year to go, perhaps a fresh perspective on the situation is what's needed. McChrystal seems to have some issues, so it might be the best thing to have new eyes and ears on the ground in Afghanistan.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:07 AM
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15. He called the WH Wimps.
He has to go, not just for what I believe was insubordination, but also for the fact that politically, the GOP will use this as alleged proof that Obama is not a strong leader.

He's gotta go. This undermines the Commander in Chief, and should never be acceptable.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:10 AM
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16. This is the second time he's done this.
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 08:11 AM by Kber
The first time, he was given the benefit of the doubt based on his supposed inexperience with the national press.

To do it again implies either:
1. He won't or can't learn from past mistakes.

or

2. His original apology was disingenuous and he can't or won't support his Commander in Chief's civilian authority.

In either case, it's time to accept the resignation I'm sure he's going to offer. Then he can get an "armchair general" position on Fox News and retire in comfort.

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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:35 AM
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18. Obama has to fire him, otherwise the rest of the Generals will see it as a green
light for them to be insubordinate.

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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:36 AM
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19. His remarks were no accident.
This wasn't a leak. It was an interview! His remarks were aimed at making Obama look weak on national security if he withdraws the troops as planned. McChrystal knows that his strategy in Afghanistan can't succeed in the time frame that Obama has established. He's trying to extend the timeline. It's all politics.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 09:18 AM
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20. get him outta there.
for a lot of reasons.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 10:43 AM
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21. Can his ass, and launch an investigation. I bet he has been working
overtime behind the scenes to undermine Obama's plans and sow dissent among the ranks, if not actually plotting a coup.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 10:55 AM
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22. Hopefully Obama is smarter than to fire him over "remarks".
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:08 AM
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24. Do you have any grasp of how the military works? At all?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:16 PM
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54. Yes.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:14 AM
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25. Wasn't Gen. Shinseki fired over remarks?
Yes? No? :shrug:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:19 PM
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34. And didn't we hammer that decision? n/t
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:17 PM
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55. Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding! +1 for a good memory!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:22 AM
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28. A full access interview can hardly be construed as simply "remarks." nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:05 AM
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23. Apologies are for wimps.
Sorry, channeling Reagan. I'm back now.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:21 AM
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27. If President Obama wants to be a respected CinC he needs to fire McChrystal immediately. nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:29 AM
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30. McChrystal can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
K&R

:hi:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:18 PM
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33. ahhh but he did ..he was kept on by Obama,when it was known world wide he lied about the Tillman
death..McChrystal lied about the Pat Tillman death ( or murder) and this was the pig who was running torture jails..whotf didn't know that..oh yeah..some of the new democrats that told those of us who were speaking out about this pig being put in charrge of Afghan...we were told to stfu..or that we were haters..or give Obama more time..how's that time working out?????????

funny how this stuff comes back to bite ones ass eh?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:20 PM
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36. my point re: this Rolling Stones article
yours? off target and down the road a piece
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:36 PM
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37. was this or was this not the man who lied about Tillman? who in their right mind would keep this pig
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 12:42 PM by flyarm
in their new administration?

This was the man who was running torture in Iraq..who would keep this man on and not expect some kind of fall out from this pig and most likely war criminal???????

Why all this feigning surprise or emotional upset now??????? where was the upset when he was put in this position by Obama?

Why only now..that is my question..i have no surprise..none at all..I was mad as hell though when Obama kept him on and out him in charge of our troops in Afghan..i can tell you that..but i was called a hater when I said keeping him on and putting him in charge of the operations in Afghan was wrong wrong wrong..and insane!

And anyone who broached the subject was shouted down that we were haters..or worse.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:40 PM
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38. Well I fully support his dismissal. We shall see. nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:41 PM
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39. Oh i do to..but I spoke out when Obama put him in charge of Afghan operations..
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 12:44 PM by flyarm
did you?

My point is ..it didn't take a Rolling stones article for me to know who and what this pig was..why are so many surprised now????????? Why all the outrage now????????
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:50 PM
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43. I read Krakauer’s book, "Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman"
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 01:03 PM by AtomicKitten
Jon Stewart's interview here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/watch-krakauer-and-jon-st_n_305949.html

As an aside, is this a contest or something? Are you fishing for an "attaboy" and a pat on the back? In my world, McChrystal's treachery goes waaaaay back. How'd I do? Do I win a prize?

---> :shrug:
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Steve20 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:07 PM
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44. re
Not a big Obama fan but McChrystal has to go.....clear insubordination.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:54 PM
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46. I think he must be relieved of his command
A general should not behave like this.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 02:57 PM
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47. Apologies after-the-fact don't always matter. Certainly not in this case.
He knew damn well he was talking to or in front of a reporter.

And it's not time he publicly dissed the administration. He's a loose cannon and he needs to go.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 03:48 PM
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49. Obama has to axe this guy. Or he will come off looking weak
.
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 04:56 PM
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53. The article is astonishing and revealing .......
I love Obama but he made a huge mistake in appointing this guy. He knew his history with Tillman and torture and yet he appointed him despite his huge failures. The actions outlined in this article welcome a court martial! I agree with the comments made above by another poster in that Obama should have fired him the first time he stepped out of line in London. We have got to get out of Afghanistan, it’s a no win situation.
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