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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:31 AM
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Setting The Record Straight On Foreign Assistance
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_06/024358.php

WE'RE ALREADY GETTING FOREIGN ASSISTANCE.... There's a peculiar claim that continues to circulate on the right about the federal response to the BP oil spill, and I'm not even sure why conservatives are bothering with it. The argument isn't only wrong, it's pointless.

On "Fox News Sunday" yesterday, Liz Cheney sought to prove that President Obama isn't doing everything possible to address the disaster in the Gulf.

"{The president} doesn't say that he'll allow foreign carriers to come in, {he} doesn't then move to do anything possible, {and he} won't grant a waiver for the Jones Act."


Former half-term Gov. Sarah Palin (R) said something similar last week, complaining that the administration "should have ... accepted the assistance of foreign countries." Glenn Beck told his minions last week that the president "needs to explain why we haven't -- why we turned down all the international help. They offered it within a couple of days. We said no."

There are three key angles to this. The first is that Cheney, Palin, Beck, and others who keep repeating the argument are simply, demonstrably wrong. Foreign governments have offered assistance, and the Obama administration has accepted it -- this includes skimmers and boom from Mexico, three sets of Koseq sweeping arms from the Dutch, eight Norwegian skimming systems, and 3,000 meters of containment boom from Canada.

Why not accept even more international help? Because, as the president has already explained, some of the offered assistance is redundant and unnecessary.

The second point to keep in mind is that the White House hasn't granted a waiver for the Jones Act because there's been no need to. There have been "15 foreign-flagged vessels" involved in the response. How many needed a waiver to participate? None. How many vessels have been turned away because of the Jones Act? None.

For that matter, the White House has said it would gladly start issuing waivers if the circumstances warranted it. Cheney is just popping off without getting her facts straight (again).

And third, aside from the simple facts of the matter, I'm not even sure why the angry right is taking this talking point seriously. What's the message here? That President Obama is opposed to international cooperation? Isn't that Republicans' job?

I get the sense conservatives are so desperate to attack the White House over the BP spill that it's clouded their judgment, leading to nonsensical talking points like this one.


-Steve Benen
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:42 AM
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1. I am so glad to see this posted.
The right has been intent on muddying the waters all along and the false information gurus have been hard at work. Put it on the internet and suddenly it's true......the old read it first and it becomes fact, never mind the truth that follows.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:58 AM
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2. Not just the right. At least now there's a
post to combat the b.s. I'm tired of reading about.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 09:08 AM
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3. Weeks ago I read something about certain foreign
skimmers being unable to skim water that had dispersants in it and that's why specific vessels were turned down.

I don't remember where I read that or if it's even remotely true, but that may be something the rightwing mouthpieces jumped on and have twisted into the meme of refusing international help.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 09:15 AM
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4. k & r nt
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 10:15 AM
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5. Yesterday on MTP (I think)
The ex-Shell guy that keeps popping up on TV these days was bringing up this Jones act once again, and then Markey replied that it is all BS (of course he put in much more socially acceptable terms) and that the act is not real barrier to anything.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 10:41 AM
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6. Yes, I heard him. And Gibbs has been quoted as saying
that they'd certainly issue waivers if they were necessary, but they're not. Problem is, nobody is calling them on this Jones Act nonsense. It's almost as if the media hasn't done their homework.

:wow:

:hi:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 10:46 AM
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7. If ANYONE listened to the Coast Guard briefings they would know this. End of story. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 04:20 PM
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8. Not everyone did, which is why I posted it. Now we know in case
there's a question in anyone's mind.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 06:40 PM
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11. Understood.
The Coast Guard is not that popular. And it's that little bit about DU that bugs me. Overall some people really try to inform themselves but some don't.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 04:36 PM
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9. I agree
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 04:39 PM by Vattel
that those who say that no international help has been accepted are just wrong. The more interesting question is whether the help should have been accepted sooner. Dailyhowler (http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh061810.shtml) quotes three newspapers on that point:

"According to Eilperin and Kessler, the U.S. has now started accepting help from these foreign governments—but only after rejecting such help earlier in the gulf disaster. This is the way the Post report started—the report which Olbermann quoted:

EILPERIN/KESSLER (6/14/10): Four weeks after the nation's worst environmental disaster, the Obama administration saw no need to accept offers of state-of-the-art skimmers, miles of boom or technical assistance from nations around the globe with experience fighting oil spills.

"We'll let BP decide on what expertise they do need," State Department spokesman Gordon Duguid told reporters on May 19. "We are keeping an eye on what supplies we do need. And as we see that our supplies are running low, it may be at that point in time to accept offers from particular governments."

That time has come.

The Post report saw the glass half full, keeping things fairly cheerful. But it described the way the U.S. had rejected help from the Dutch and the Norwegians for more than a month—help the U.S. is now accepting. The U.S. started accepting this help “in late May,” the Post reported.

The Post adopted a cheerful tone. Meanwhile, other major newspapers have reported this glass half empty. The Christian Science Monitor first reported this situation back on June 1. This was part of Mark Guarino’s report:

GUARINO (6/1/10): Dutch companies that manufacture the sweeping arm system first contacted BP officials April 23, three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, according to Huisman, who spoke by phone from his office in The Hague Tuesday. After receiving little reply, the companies turned to his department for help in reaching out to the US State Department, Huisman says.

"We specifically asked those companies that if you have a firm order from BP or the US government, then we can make the arrangements available," he says. The US Coast Guard made a formal request for the systems May 18, according to Huisman.

<...>

Huisman and Koops would only speculate why recovery officials apparently waited about a month to request the technology. One reason may be Environmental Protection Agency regulations that prevent discharging oil-affected water back into the source.

In Guarino’s report, it was BP which failed to react early on; it isn’t clear when the Obama administration got into the flow. On June 9, the Houston Chronicle offered a somewhat gloomier account, Loren Steffy reporting:

STEFFY (6/9/10): DISASTER IN THE GULF/U.S. was slow to accept offer of Dutch expertise

Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help.

It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands.

The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: "The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,'" said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.

Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered.

Which of these three accounts is more accurate? We don’t know."
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 06:20 PM
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10. Amazing how suddenly the wingnuts want to rely on foreigners for help
when normally they do nothing by criticize and make fun of foreign countries, most of which they've never even heard of.

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