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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:06 AM
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Eugene Robinson blasts speech - attacking Dr Chu being the lead on fixing the problem
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 09:19 AM by karynnj

Less than a minute into President Obama’s Oval Office address, my heart sank. For the umpteenth time since the Gulf of Mexico oil spill began, an anxious nation was informed that Energy Secretary Steven Chu has a Nobel Prize. Obama’s speech pretty much went down hill from there.

For weeks, administration officials have been trumpeting Chu’s distinction at every opportunity. Earlier in the day, White House environmental guru Carol Browner cited the Nobel in a television interview. Presidential adviser David Axelrod talks about the Nobel all the time, as does Press Secretary Robert Gibbs. If there’s an official list of administration talking points about the response to the oil spill, “Chu’s Nobel” has to be at the top.

We can all applaud Chu’s accomplishment. But here’s the thing: Chu is a physicist, not an engineer or a biologist. His Nobel was awarded for the work he did in trapping individual atoms with lasers. He’s absurdly smart. But there’s nothing in his background to suggest he knows any more about capping an out-of-control deep-sea well, or containing a gargantuan oil spill, than, say, columnist Paul Krugman, who won the Nobel in economics. Or novelist Toni Morrison, who won the Nobel in literature.




It is absolutely bizarre to compare Chu's knowledge here to that of Toni Morrison or Paul Krugman, both of whom I respect. There is no connection between figuring out how to gain control of the well and writing wonderful novels or being an insightful economist. There is a connection between physics and what to do. What discipline other than physics looks at the underlying forces and helps gain some understanding of what is happening?

Something tells me Robinson did not like his high school physics class. It is strange that he would have been less unhappy had Obama put a career bureaucrat with a MBA in charge. I think it is good to tell America that we have pulled in top minds from academia and business and they are led by a top scientist, with managerial experience.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/06/obama_disappoints_from_the_beg.html

I wrote this as a comment


I strongly disagree with Robinson's entire article. Dr Chu's Nobel resulted from his ability to use ideas from one research area in another area.

Here is a link to a video where Chu speaks of his ideas and his past. He speaks of how at Bell Labs, scientists were encouraged to work with each other across fields - ie chemists working with physicists - sometimes leading both to ideas that they otherwise would not get to on their own. He spoke of how he tried to foster the same intellectual creative freedom in his later role at a university. He spoke of wanting to bring that excitement to research as Secretary of Energy. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-7gWsoXtUw )

Robinson also apparently has no problem writing this article where he speaks as knowing the type of person who should take the lead here - a biologist or an engineer. I would argue that a research scientist, good enough to get a Nobel prize, with management experience in both business (Bell Labs) and academia, might be the exactly who you want leading an effort where THERE ARE NO KNOWN SOLUTIONS.

The part he is heading is dealing with sealing the leak and the efforts to contain the oil. Why would a biologist be better here. As to an engineer, there are many engineers working on this. Robinson might be interested to know that within Bell Labs, many groups consisted of both physicists and engineers - often doing similar things. Would Dr Chu have been more capable or creative had his degree been in one of the engineering fields?

Years ago, I heard Dr Penzias, also a Bell Labs Nobel Prize winner, explain to kids at the Labs for take your daughter to work day, that physics was the study of how things work. In the Gulf, our technology has created a problem where the solution is not clear. Understanding the underlying physics and proposing and evaluating alternative solutions seem to me to be the key to fixing the problem. As no discipline has all the answers here, having a creative physicist in the lead sounds great to me - better than a career bureaucrat.

My question is did Robinson hate his high school physics class? Is that coloring this opinion piece?
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:24 AM
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1. it's sad when people can't differentiate between nobel prizes
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 09:30 AM by asphalt.jungle
they aren't all equal, some are held in higher regard than others. economics isn't a science. literature and peace (i saw a wingnut post in the comments section of some blog state a couple weeks ago that chu's nobel means nothing because obama has one) aren't remotely in the same league. the nobel prize for physics are for the true braniacs.

it's frustrating when people want to be critical for the sake of being critical.

edit: and chu came up with how to best calculate the oil flow rate.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:36 AM
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3. True - though in their fields, literature and economics prizes matter as well
I would say that Krugman's prize would have merit if he were tasked with making recommendations for the long term economic recovery of the Gulf or heading a task force to estimate the impact.

What is disturbing here is how narrowly he pigeon holes expertise. The best oil drilling engineer might be more knowledgeable on how the drilling apparatus works and how to repair it. I would assume that he/she would have a competent background in physics, but what they have now is essentially a brain storming group proposing and evaluating the pros and cons of various ideas to seal the hole and to capture the oil. I can't think of anyone better suited to head something like that. (I loved that video that was posted to DU back when he was nominated.)
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:49 AM
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9. It seems to me (a non-scientist) that the abililty for critical thinking
especially in science would be essential for a person in Chu's position. He thinks like a scientist and uses the thought habits of a scientist. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't avail himself of every shred of expertise in engineering and geology and any other area that would be useful in solving this crisis.

I don't get the criticism, I really don't. And I don't understand why Gene is getting so "dumb" all of a sudden...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:28 AM
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2. Can't expect perfect wins from everyone. Eugene is another. n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 09:55 AM
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4. Odd
Robinson doesn't seem to understand that Calculus is the foundation of physics and physics is the foundation of vector statics, vector dynamics, fluid dynamics, thermodynamics, and that all form the basis all engineering disciplines.

Without physics, there would be no engineers.

Robinson is speaking of something he knows nothing about, that's clear.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:19 AM
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6. I was surprised as I gernerally like Robinson
To me, Obama was saying I put an international expert in charge with the task to call on the best minds in the world to solve this problem. That Browner and others have said the same thing is not a talking point, but is a way to convey that in Chu, they have a very unusual person in that position and it is who he is to lead and participate in efforts to find the solution.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:14 AM
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5. Eugene, I love you, but compare ...
A Nobel Prize winning physicist and laboratory director to ... a race horse trainer.

That's the comparison this administration was tacitly making. The previous administration put its disaster in the hands of Heckuvajob Brownie. This administration is using a Nobel physicist.

Now I know that we're comparing FEMA director to Energy Secretary here, so let's do that, too: GWB's first Energy Secy was Spencer Abraham, a one-term senator who advocated getting rid of the Department, saying it had "no core mission." After that the former Deputy Secy of Treasury, Samuel Bodman was named. At least he had degrees in chemical engineering, but mostly he was a money guy (Fidelity) and venture capitalist. I.e., a businessman.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:22 AM
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7. A Nobel prize makes his heart sink . . . ahhhhh
It didn't make Robinson's heart sink when Tweety was touting his Pulitzer prize two weeks ago.

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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 10:35 AM
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8. That may have been the "upteenth" time Robinson and other pundits/news junkies
heard that Chu is a Nobel Prize winning expert, but it apparently hasn't occurred to them - or maybe it has and they're ticked off about it - that the President wasn't talking to them. He was talking to the "regular" people this crowd loves to tout, people who don't spend most of their waking hours watching endless loops of the soundbytes the networks think we should see and their even more endless "analysis" of those soundbytes.

The media's "we're oh so bored with it" snarkiness about the Administration officials repeating certain points - obviously necessary in light of the media's failure to actually educate the public - says much more about the pundits than it does about the president.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:53 PM
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16. Agreed! n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 01:02 PM
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19. It reveals them to be majorly
clueless. So disheartening from someone like Eugene Robinson.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 02:08 PM
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23. Yes - I'm surprised that he would take that route. He's usually much more reasonable
The media's latest "it's all about us" frenzy reminds me of their snide, condescending and superior sniping during the primary campaigns when they complained incessantly about having to listen to the same stump speeches over and over. Apparently, they believed that candidates should write a new speech for each of the 10 or 15 appearances they made across several states in a given day in order to make sure the press that followed them around remained entertained and never got bored. Of course, they seemed to completely forget or just utterly ignore that, for the voters who took time out from their busy days to come out and hear the candidates, this was likely the first time they'd heard what that candidate had to say and, even though the stump speech might have been given at previous stops, it was the first time that THEY heard it and they found it interesting and informative.

But, of course, those folks don't matter to the press since it's really all about THEM and what THEY want to hear.

That's exactly what we're seeing now.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 02:32 PM
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24. That's why I read journalists like Steve Benen
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 02:34 PM by Cha
for whom..it's not all about him. In fact none of it is.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 11:38 AM
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10. Doesn't matter what award Chu has received, he was clueless on Rachel's show...
...not long ago, saying he only knew about some things from the news.

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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:34 PM
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12. Yup. Robinson is right.
Chu's Nobel for work in atomic physics won't help much in the Gulf.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:51 PM
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14. Touting his award is another example of the smoke and mirrors strategy...
...this administration engages in far too much - seems they play politics with every issue instead of just leading with wisdom.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:53 PM
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15. Robinson is not right. This claim:
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 01:06 PM by ProSense
"But there’s nothing in his background to suggest he knows any more about capping an out-of-control deep-sea well"

demonstrates his complete lack of understanding of physics. People have been screaming for the administration to bring in scientists and evironmentalists. Now, what exactly can an environmentalist contribute to stopping the leak that a Nobel Prize winning physicist can't?

Robinson clearly is overlooking that physics is a key to engineering.

And since Chu was instrumental in creating the Energy Biosciences Institute, Robinson's claim is even more bogus.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 01:03 PM
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20. But, if Robinson slams the President..
he must be right.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 10:52 AM
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29. His overall knowledge of science and his ability to apply it does
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:03 PM
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26. Character assasination.
Maddow asked him something he didn't know. Like a good scientist, Chu simply said he didn't know, instead of trying to ad lib a non-answer as you would have wanted him to.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-10 10:50 AM
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28. Being good on talkshows is not the be all and end all of everything
Part of that likely comes from a desire to be accurate and complete.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:09 PM
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11. Great comment, Karyn n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:56 PM
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17. It's an excellent comment.
Too many commentators of late have been spewing fail about things they clearly don't have a full grasp of. It's absolutely baffling that Robinson would target Chu in this situation. It's absurd.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:47 PM
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13. Thanks for your comment, karyn..
I want to read it all..when I have more time. It's amazing how many people didn't get it.

But, I think those who it was more directed to..got it.

One thing..about Dr. Chu..just because Eugene knows all about him..what about all the other people who may not know?

There were a lot of selfish reactions to the speech, imv.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:56 PM
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18. Eugene failed to mention another reason why Chu isn't the one to lead the effort
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 12:57 PM by Sebastian Doyle
And that would be his ties to the perpetrator......



http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/05/steven-chus-ties-bp
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 01:05 PM
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21. Apparently winning a Pulitzer Prize for Commentary
does make one qualified to tell Obama how to run things while winning a Nobel Prize does not...

I love listening to Eugene Robinson but I think he's been spending too much time listening to blathering pundits like Chris Matthews!

And really, what the hell does it matter how many times it's mentioned that Chu is a Nobel Prize winner? Who cares? Of all the things going on in the world, this is what they are worried about?
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 01:15 PM
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22. It was a pile on. Even the best pundits sometimes follow the pack
Thanks for posting this and commenting on the piece.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:51 PM
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25. Looks like Robinson, Maddow and others had lunch
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:16 PM
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27. Nobel prize physicist Richard Feynmann figured out how the Space Shuttle Challenger
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 04:18 PM by andym
was brought down by O-rings operating at freezing temperatures, while many of the engineers involved were baffled. Dr. Feynmann was a theoretical physicist famous for describing a powerful way to understand subatomic particle interactions. So a nobel prize physicist can sometimes be just the person to deal with a complex technical problem in the real world.
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