Tweety on MSNBC sounding a bit different than last night

[rufus dog]

Saying he was critical because he want more, while others just want Obama to fail.

I will give him credit for being honest, the hard part is separating those who want Obama to fail from those who want more.

[Politics_Guy25]

1. That's so true

If that's what Chris, Keith and Rachel want, I can support that.

[AspenRose]

2. Sounds like he wants to ride Obama's coattails whenever he has a success

So then he can turn around and think he had a hand in it somehow.

'I was just trying to help' :eyes:

[vaberella]

3. Walking back now?! The crow...the crow.n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

4. That is the same tone I heard from him this morning on Brian Lehrer on NPR.

Maybe he realized that he had sounded a lot more negative then he actually felt on the show last night..

He was told that he was being quoted on RW talk radio..and I think he was taken aback somewhat.

[AlinPA]

31. Matthews belongs on Fox "news".

[emulatorloo]

5. Interesting. Honestly those three were a bit Over The Top last night.

"Instant Analysis" usually looks pretty bad the next day. I'm glad Tweety seems to recognize that.

[BrklynLiberal]

9. I think they had a knee jerk reaction to being disappointed..and it came out sounding a lot

more negative than any of them had intended.

[emulatorloo]

28. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when they sat down and watched the playback

I can imagine that there was a lot of embarrassment in that room.

[BrklynLiberal]

32. It will be interesting to see how each of them reacts on their respective shows tonight.

[Phx_Dem]

37. They won't back it up too much, because that would be admitting they were wrong.

God forbid.

[vaberella]

41. PETA might be there because of the crows.

I don't have any sympathy. Instead of doing their jobs...they let their high emotions distort their message.

[uponit7771]

Obama Carping is the current fad right now...

[tridim]

6. And he concluded by saying maybe Sarah Palin is right

For stating what the administration has already done.

Fucking IDIOT.

[hlthe2b]

14. reaching out to other nations was detailed in WAPO...

does no one on Tweety's staff read anything except their own rhetoric?

[emulatorloo]

29. You mean her "Little Dutch Boy Plan?" OUCH n/t

[vaberella]

42. Hesaid that shit?! I'm glad I didn't say that. Feed the sharks why don't you. n/t

[WeDidIt]

7. I'm betting they got a lot of viewer emails

and it was mostly negative reactions to their bogus reactions to the speech.

[vaberella]

43. They did. No way would KO respond with a twitter like he did if he didn't get a lot of backlash.

Thank God DU doesn't reflect most people.

[Aramchek]

8. it's hilarious watching all the talking heads do the moonwalk

[otohara]

34. Glad I Tuned Them Out - Even Rachel

not interested in "their" opinion right now!

[gateley]

10. He made some excellent points and presented an excellent argument for getting off

oil.

[rufus dog]

15. which is why I give him credit

When it is constructive criticism backed by beliefs that is fine. However I saw and read a lot of other stuff that was just bitching for the sake of bitching. Very interesting group dynamics though.

[jefferson_dem]

11. Like a drunk who wakes up the next morning after a hard binge...

Realizing he probably made a fool of himself and is trying to wipe the memories away.

[CBR]

13. +1 LOL nt

[Raine1967]

12. KO has tweeted nearly the same kind of thing:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/keith-olbermann-defends-c_n_614307.html

This is easily the smartest political leader I have ever seen, as good a political public speaker as I've heard, + last October I was privileged along with 11 other newspeople to spend 2 hours with him as he showed extemporaneous mastery of every one of two dozen topics fired at him by us in random order. I left the room wondering if we had ever before actually elected a president who was one of the 1,000 smartest people in the country (or maybe 100, or 10) as we had now. I believe in him and in his presidency and he has frequently achieved success (in health care reform, particularly) by doing that for which I criticized him. I hope that is again the case now because the Gulf Speech was not up to his standards nor did it express his mastery of policy. And if you will stop watching because I said this, I'll be very sorry, but you will have been watching for the wrong reason. I am not, have not been, and will not be, any politician's, nor any president's, spokesman.

They both had expectations that were not personally met, and while I suppose it is there prerogative to do so, I found it a bit irresponsible. The punditry was WAY the hell over the top last nite -- it was entering fauxnews style shit.

[AspenRose]

16. "...the Gulf Speech was not up to his standards"

I think he meant to say it wasn't up to HIS (KO's) standards.

The American people seemed to take it in just fine, from what I've read.

[emulatorloo]

19. LOL, not enough "Special Comment" vitriol, I guess.

[emulatorloo]

17. Sounds like Olbermann has sobered up after a drinking binge

It was very over the top. They did not seem to 1) understand the purpose of an Oval Office speech vs a policy speech 2) Actually listen to the speech. Tweety was so caught up in his "Command and Control" fixation (which is the new "Obama is not showing anger". Fineman is Fineman.

[TheKentuckian]

22. Its not new. That's been my issue the whole way and is still a concern.

[emulatorloo]

26. Yeah, I know

He seems to be getting more volatile. (and more self-indulgent. Thurber Fridays!?! My Twitter followers?)

I still like hearing from him and watching the show. A lot of the times because it is a good place to get to hear Chris Hayes.

[Berry Cool]

61. Olbermann was perfectly within his right to say what he said, and he's NOT apologizing.

"Drinking binge"...sheesh. Now you're calling him an alcoholic, too? Do you accuse everyone who disagrees with you on anything of being a volatile alcoholic?

[Phx_Dem]

40. Tweety wanted Obama to cite case law on how he would force BP

to pay up. Seriously.

I know Tweety is not an uneducated, stupid man. So why does he act like he is sometimes?

[BrklynLiberal]

35. Once again.what differentiates folks like Olbermann from the talking RW heads, is that they

ultimately, and truly want him to succeed. Their anger is aimed at the concept that he could be doing so much more...and he is not.

Disappointment, rather than real hatred,like the RWingnuts feel.

[Phx_Dem]

39. +1

[treestar]

53. Doing that for which I criticized him?

OMG, does he think the POTUS listens to HIM?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No one asked him to be anyone's spokesman!

I watched a bit of his show and he talks about Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck! There they are talking about each other! They are all part of the entertainment business and they can stick it where the sun don't shine - no one takes them seriously.

[Number23]

58. Wow! Is this an OP here?? Can you make it one if it's not??

"I left the room wondering if we had ever before actually elected a president who was one of the 1,000 smartest people in the country (or maybe 100, or 10) as we had now."

And what's sad is that there will still be idiots who post OPs on this site convinced that they somehow know more or better than the President does. (Although there will be one or two less after a bit of housekeeping in the last week. :woohoo: :woohoo:)

People can agree or disagree with his policies, but the idea that some here have that they are smarter and more informed on the issues than this man is something that needs to be retired. Yesterday.

[Raine1967]

63. Sure, but I think Newsweek hit a BIG nail on the head.

I posted it in another thread, but I think it is worth reposting here.

By the time Obama appeared, CNN and MSNBC had done a thorough job of telling the audience how to judge what he said. (I imagine Fox did the same, but it’s so riddled with its own pathologies I didn’t check.) Did the president “get it”? Well, he studded the speech with the language of war, referring to his “battle plan” and describing the spill as “a siege.” Was BP “held accountable”? He failed to use the head of a BP executive as a paperweight, but he did say in plain terms that the company “will pay for the impact this spill has had on the region.” Characteristically, he seemed most engaged not during the backward-looking stuff about assigning blame, but the forward-looking stuff: offering a big-picture look at a clean-energy initiative. “We cannot consign our children to this future,” he said, neatly evoking a kind of inverted Mad Max scenario, with oil spills everywhere.

In the postgame show, the pundits judged Obama’s success by how well or poorly he fulfilled the expectations that pundits like themselves had set earlier. On MSNBC, Keith Olbermann knocked him for “not addressing what many expected tonight: a bigger picture for America’s energy future, not even much of a pitch for his own energy bill . . .” The more Olbermann talked, the more disgruntled he grew. First he said the president aimed low, then he bid himself up, declaring that the president “didn’t aim at all.” He asked, “It’s startling to have heard this, isn’t it?”—which is the sort of question that has only one answer.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/16/pundits-like-that-are-the-only-people-here.html

[monmouth]

18. Tweets and keefer read DU. We did good...n/t

[emulatorloo]

20. Also they they watched the rerun and saw how ridiculously they were behaving/

[goclark]

25. The good part is they took there foot out of their mouths

The bad part is they will be quoted for what they said again and again and again.

[emulatorloo]

27. Good point. Depressing point. n/t

[YvonneCa]

48. That is actually what bothered me...

...more than the fact that they were disappointed in the speech. They opened themselves up to the piling on that the GOP and FOX people do.

[rocktivity]

21. Maybe the reason why he didn't give more

is because he had an escrow/no dividends deal in his back pocket. But knowing Tweety, if Obama HAD given him what he wanted, he'd be saying things like, "He's being too street!"

:eyes:
rocktivity

[lamp_shade]

23. It was the email I sent his this morning. I'm sure it was.

[WeDidIt]

24. I think you're right

You email coupled with thousands of others probably freaked them out big time.

[BrklynLiberal]

36. No doubt about it.

:thumbsup: :hi:

[vaberella]

44. I'd love to read it. n/t

[lamp_shade]

54. Check your messages.

[AlinPA]

30. Matthews wants the President to fail, IMO he wants Palin to compete for the Presidency against

President Obama in 2012.

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. I think you're right. I don't watch his show, but from the postings here, I

gather Matthews is rather taken with Sarah Palin and the teabaggers. Tweety thrives on politics the way my nephew lives for action movies, which is part of the problem. Too many entertainers passing themselves off as "news". It's not about good governance anymore, it's all about scorekeeping for the talking heads.

[RichGirl]

33. Reminds me of the debates....

I remember how the pundits, all of them, all shows, all networks, right after a debate would talk about how Obama and McCain were even...they'd point out each of their strenghts and weaknesses and they weren't sure who won, some actually thought McCain won. And I would wonder what debate they were watching or maybe I was just too biased, etc... Then all the polls would come in and Obama always won BIG.

I don't think they are even capable of really listening to a speech. They have a mental check list in their tiny little brains, keeping score...by the time it's over they are so confused they think it's Obama's fault...he didn't say what he was suppose to say.....

I don't know how any of y'all can even watch them!!! I stopped watching a long time ago...all of them. They gave me a headache.

P.S. And then there was the Palin/Biden debate. It was predicted that Palin would crap her pants and when she didn't they all thought she was a genius and had actually beat Biden....until the polls came out....of course, not only did she do badly but she didn't answer the questions. They didn't even notice, but the viewers did. Turns out she did crap her pants but had the foresight to wear depends.

[winstars]

50. Yes, Same BS Like in the Debates!!!

They missed how old gramps sounded when he did the "this one over here" line.... They missed how fucking tired gramps came off and how the now prez just seemed......better...

Think about how long it took them to get that voting wise, the Hillary supporters would come round just fine thank you... They ALWAYS (mis???)underestimate the prez and I think they always will but that's OK.


Gonna watch Tweety's show in a half hour, I can only hope he might not be too much an asshole, KO and Rachel, I hope they will get it too. It's funny looking at the thread topics here at DU pre 20 billion and post 20 billion, they run the gamut from deeply disappointed in him to the Jedi Warrior thingy------- AGAIN...

[Enthusiast]

38. True. When the airwaves

are full of a steady beat of misinformation.

[Jennicut]

45. Better then the whining last night. Tweety and KO and Rachel are on our side but

that speech was not for them. Or for us.

[xultar]

47. You are so right. Rachel and KO were over the top. The speech

was to connect with the people of the gulf, not for technical specs on how to close the leak. That speech or press conference is for another time.

[emulatorloo]

51. Obama was giving a 20 min speech to the general public. They wanted 90 mins with Powerpoint slides

It shows you how strong the "beltway bubble" is.

[YvonneCa]

49. EXACTLY. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. I'll bet Tweety got some interesting mail after last night's performance.

People like Matthews do whatever gets ratings, and if that means dogging Dems out, they won't hesitate. I'm so over MSNBC.

[treestar]

52. ding, ding

He misread the populace and came out on the wrong side, now trying to backtrack. :rofl:

[Cha]

59. He was called out big time in a Newsweek online

article..among others.:)

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/16/pundits-like-that-are-the-only-people-here.html

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. That was great Cha. Thanks for sharing. I think last night's pundits...

put the clown in "media circus". The author pegged Tweety just right, Tweety was looking for the "I'm the decider" moment, and when he didn't get it, he was let down. I hope to hell this president doesn't take any cues from MSNBC. They need him to provide theater for their crappy ass shows.

[Cha]

64. He won't..The President has a country to run

and a life to live with his integrity intact.

He's so much more in tune with what needs to happen for this Nation than anybody..much less a passle of pundits/aka/Vuvuzelas.

[dionysus]

55. tweety is such an excitable little feller.

[Clio the Leo]

57. I believe him ... and I'd rather him be THAT way than be like Hannity...

.... but I think they may have discovered who's more popular .... Barack Obama .... or them. ;)

[Berry Cool]

62. I don't know about Tweety, but what KO said was no apology.

Nor does he need to apologize. Like he shakes and quakes in anxiety over what people on DU think, and acts accordingly to walk back anything he said. My, some people have an overinflated sense of their own importance.