How lucky we are to have Tweety and Olbermann telling us what to think

[Political Tiger]

:sarcasm:

[Sebastian Doyle]

1. could be worse

like a dumb tin sheep telling you what to think. :hide:

[Connie_Corleone]

2. Yeah. Olbermann has been reduced to swearing and stuttering.

I've had enough. I changed the channel.

[Clio the Leo]

3. and Fineman, dont forget about him. nt

[Bluzmann57]

4. Don't listen to them

If you don't like what you are hearing, turn the channel. You are probably intelligent enough to figure things out for yourself.

[Political Tiger]

21. I turned the channel after about two minutes

when it became evident they weren't going to even attempt to provide an intelligent and cogent analysis of what the President said and were instead just going act like two little spoiled brats whose daddy won't let them borrow the car for the night.

[tridim]

5. I am glad that Obama isn't the President Tweety wants him to be

Tweety wants a used car salesman.

We already had Reagan.

[Phx_Dem]

6. I changed the channel the minute I heard Olberman "hmmmmph' in his mic

the very second the President stopped speaking. He's really starting to gross me out with this throaty groans and bodily noises. Goodbye.

Geeze, I thought Mika was bad.

[goclark]

47. I am surprised and saddened but totally respect your opinion

Since I was placed on Blood Pressure Medication I don't look at Cable News.
It is far too stressful.
When I stopped watching I thought Keith O was great ~ that was almost two months ago. Has he jumped the sharks or what?

I do watch Roland Martin's new show on TV 1 ~ it's great.

He had an outstanding segment on the Oil Spill ~ some reporters thinking Obama could have moved faster, some of them in the middle and some supportive.

What I liked was the variety of opinions and Roland Martin's style of interviewing.

No drama is what I like and must have in my life at this point.

[jefferson_dem]

7. What's a "Tweety and Olbermann"?

:shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

8. We are supposed to think "Cap and Trade." Not because it will clean up the oil.

Cap and Trade will make GE a ton of money.

[Auggie]

9. I love that Keith got mad enough

to say "goddamn" on the air

[vaberella]

12. KO didn't pay attention. n/t

[KansasVoter]

18. Yes, Keith is an enemy of Obama! Wow, dumb

[HughMoran]

37. No right-minded person would think that was what's being said here

Only a troublemaker who constantly posts flamebait would think that.

Also, read my post just below for those who are fact-challenged and assume that emotional responses from reporters cannot be based on wrong assumptions.

[HughMoran]

36. & it was based on an assumption on something he knows nothing about

He (and many others) seem to forget (or block out) the fact that benzene, a substance in crude oil, has EXACTLY the same side effects he's prescribing to the dispersant. He can't know which is causing the symptoms, yet he ASSumes - that's BAD reporting.

[Cant trust em]

10. I'm not into either of them. I don't like being yelled at.

I really prefer Maddow.

[vaberella]

11. Ugh they were worthless. I think KO fell asleep during the speech. I turned him off. n/t

[SeattleGirl]

13. I never listen to the pundits right after a speech. Like most

of DU, I prefer to think for myself.

I've listening to some of the callers on C-SPAN, and am rather gob-smacked at the number of Republican callers who are supportive of Obama. Not all of them of course, but enough that I took notice.

[vaberella]

15. Seriously? Back to C-Span I go. n/t

[vaberella]

17. Are you hearing the woman caller named Sharon?

She was great.

[SeattleGirl]

22. Yeah, she was one of the people I listened to. She WAS great! n/t

[depakid]

20. The time to listen to analysis of a speech or debate is a couple of days later

The first 24 hours are invariably dominated by spin and emotional reaction. And of course, the ubiquitous- and usually vacuous talking heads.

After those predisposed to "like" the speech and its content- or dislike it, will have had their say- and the more insightful and knowledgeable folks will have had time to give the matter some thought.

[freddie mertz]

24. Don't disagree. My immediate reaction was "is that all?"

Seemed thin on details.

I expect there will be follow-up tomorrow.

[FrenchieCat]

14. Super duper lucky!

I feel so fortunate, and just turned them off.

What's up with Gibbs Q&A session over at Whitehouse.gov?
Everyone ignoring that cause they can?

[vaberella]

16. Actually I'm on C-Span right now...this is the first time they have intellectual discussion.

They're even supportive of Obama. Repubs...I was shocked. I am shocked.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

19. I like Olbermann. Tweety not so much.

I only wish Olbermann would be a little more like Rachel. She's been awesome

[niceypoo]

39. The same people here who are attacking Tweety

...gush over him when he says anything they agree with.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

42. I find Matthews to be a racist dick

His tag teaming with Pat Buchanan RE Sotomayor was repulsive. He wouldn't let Joan Walsh get a word in, insisting that fireehouses had a right to discriminate because all Irish firehouses are a tradition.

[niceypoo]

43. Sorry if I came across as putting you in that category

I largely agree with your distaste for him. People who are two-faced (tweety is the poster child for two faced) drift with the prevailing winds rather than relying on core principle.

[JoePhilly]

23. Where is that "liberal media" I hear so much about????

[FrenchieCat]

25. Kicking Democrats ass......

cause that's an easy one to do....
especially since the leak's not fixed yet.

[Scurrilous]

26. They're so friendly!!1!

:P

[MissDeeds]

27. Olbermann and Tweety were firmly in Obama's camp

during the primaries and after the election. Olbermann's program was a full out infomercial for Obama during the primaries. Tweety proclaimed on national tv that he got a shiver/chill or some such thing that ran up his leg about Obama. These guys were firmly on board with BO. Now, they have stepped back. Their fault - or Obama's???

[spiritual_gunfighter]

34. It is funny, that fact is omitted from the argument

When the right was saying that MSNBC was in the tank for Obama during the campaign they were right. Olbermann went so far as to accuse Hillary of wanting Obama to get assassinated so she could be the nominee.

It was always very apparent that both those guys were solidly behind Obama when this administration started. But what happened?

Was it Olbermann and Matthews making a concerted effort to undermine the very President they supported, almost embarrassingly so (thrill up my leg), or was it that the President time and time again made policy decisions that ignored the very base that elected him?

Ask that question before you say that Olbermann is an Obama hater, really.

[niceypoo]

41. If I recall he also got shivers about GW Bush...

...whom he voted for, "at least once," (which means he voted for him twice). I believe he said, "we're all neocons now."

Tweety is a Reagan Democrat, IMHO. I will say this about the man. He reacts brilliantly to blatant lies and bullshit and isnt afraid to tell people, 'you sound crazy.'

[stray cat]

28. Its almost as bad as thinking you get educated and good info from DU

[elocs]

29. I always thought Olbermann was a DU god. You mean he wasn't on fire tonight?

:shrug:

Well, I guess you can't be on fire every night. After all, that's kind of hard on the clothes, not to mention the hair.

[jenmito]

30. Chris repeated every single thing he's been saying for weeks-that Obama acts like a Vatican

Observer, that he should call on other oil companies other than BP to help, that he needs to get the smartest minds from all over the world (and stop talking about the "Nobel Prize Winning Physicist" Steven(?) Chu), blah blah blah.

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[treestar]

32. I don't know why anyone ever listens to those morons

They use issues important to us to further their entertainment shows. They are just in it for attention for themselves. It is pathetic how many lionize Olberman here.

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. It seems that some people like Olbermann only as long as he says what they agree with

[AngryOldDem]

38. Beat me to it, Freddie.

Seems like his rants were golden when they were directed toward Bush. I remember some foaming-at-the-mouth special comments that were rec'd and high-fived to high heaven. But, ain't it the way? It all depends on whose ox is being gored.

As I said in another thread, this speech would have been great if it had come, say, 50 days ago. But now, with so much time passed, we need (as KO said) to know the "hows" of the solution to this disaster. And yes, the drivel toward the end of "we want to leave a better world for our kids, but we don't know how we'll get there, but we'll know it when we see it" -- or whatever the hell that was -- was a nonsensical fail and not worthy of Obama's speechwriting skills or intellect (or ours, for that matter). At this point in time, it was not the speech we needed.

[phleshdef]

40. I like Keith when he isn't being an emotionally unstable embarassment.

Last night was not one of those times.

[AngryOldDem]

44. He got pretty worked up at times over Bush and health care...

...and other than the "goddamned" slip when talking to Fineman, his outrage seemed appropriate for the occasion -- especially when talking about how BP is utterly and unabashedly disregarding the health and safety of cleanup crews. But perceptions may vary.

Time is running out on this, and the anger is justified. He was holding Obama to a pretty reasonable standard of expectations that weren't met.

[phleshdef]

46. No, his standard was he wanted Obama to issue a god damn "special comment".

And that was not the purpose of the speech at all. The purpose of the speech was to serve as an opening to begin the energy debate in ernest, but moreso, to give the country a prime time breakdown of what the situation in the gulf currently is. Keith's standards were without merit because they had nothing to do with the purpose of the appearance. President Obama has illustrated time and time again that he can rattle off a wonkish, one hour lecture on a given issue, complete with details, specific steps and all considerations one can think of. Last night was not the night for that. Keith wanted Obama to swing from the ivory towers last night and as much as I appreciate swinging from the ivory towers, it shouldn't be expected all the time.

[Political Tiger]

49. I like Olbermann except when he acts like the people he makes fun of

....like Billo. Last night he wasn't acting like an objective news commentator but like, well....Billo!

[racaulk]

35. They certainly try to drive the political discourse in our country.

I think that's the same for all pundits, regardless of their political leanings. On the other side of the aisle, Faux News is basically a propaganda machine operating under the guise of providing "news."

But they can't ever tell us what to think. They can only do that if we allow them to. So don't let them.

[WI_DEM]

45. I actually like Rachel better these days.

[Tarheel_Dem]

48. I still can't watch Rachel. I've never watched Matthews, and finally removed

Keith from my TIVO lineup. I'm listening to a lot more NPR, basically because they stick with the news from around the world, and keep the "opinion" to a minimum.