"Clutching a plastic bottle filled with oil from the wetlands, a visibly upset Matalin "

[ProSense]

Joined by his wife and fellow CNN contributor Mary Matalin, an emotional Carville stressed the urgency of the situation. "We need some action here, and we need to get this thing moving very quickly," Carville said Wednesday on CNN's John King, USA.

Asked by King whether the disaster response has become a question of presidential accountability, Carville suggested that Washington lobbyists hired by BP were influencing the administration's response to the spill. "They've (BP) hired everything that walks in Washington," the Louisiana native said.

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Clutching a plastic bottle filled with oil from the wetlands, a visibly upset Matalin said that during their tour of affected areas, "We sailed through these marshes for two hours. We didn't see one boat, not one rescue effort, not one skimmer, not one container."

"But before we get to accountability, America just help, just help," Matalin said. "If everybody could help, put pressure on those that can help, there will be plenty of time for accountability and criminality and all the rest of it. But now, get down here, clean it up, contain it, don't let it do any more damage."

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Fuck you James Carville and wife.

[Frances]

1. Has dear Mary asked her dear friends the Cheneys for help?

[Captain Hilts]

11. I would like to see some Bush Admin officials and Cheney frog-marched with BP officials. nt

[babylonsister]

15. You mean the Cheney who REWROTE ALL The Inspection & Permitting Processes?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8422740

NOT JUST BP!!!-CHENEY & His Henchmen REWROTE ALL The Inspection & Permitting Processes!!!

[donco6]

2. Fuck them for . . . what?

Pointing out a problem?

[ProSense]

3. Fuck them for this:

"Carville suggested that Washington lobbyists hired by BP were influencing the administration's response to the spill"

That's right, fuck these opportunistic shits.

[Captain Hilts]

6. The Prez DID hire GE's pollution defender to be DoJ's top environmental enforcement officer. nt

[ProSense]

26. Carville's speculation is bullshit. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

27. I think it's bad form also. He went too far. But I have sympathy for him. nt

[polichick]

38. What was the explanation for that disturbing choice? nt

[Captain Hilts]

50. Here are two links:

http://www.propublica.org/article/epa-attorneys-criticize-obama-nominee-706

The Obama administration's nomination of Ignacia Moreno to head the environment division of the Department of Justice is moving quietly through the confirmation process, with hearings expected to begin in the next few weeks. Moreno has worked for the environment division before, during the Clinton administration. But her most recent job -- as environmental counsel for General Electric -- has raised eyebrows among Environmental Protection Agency attorneys. Before Moreno worked for GE, she spent five years defending other companies in pollution-related lawsuits.

Six EPA attorneys interviewed by ProPublica criticized the nomination, but asked that their names not be used in this story because they fear retribution. They said they doubt that anyone who has recently defended GE would be effective in the role.

Here's the generic Google results for this topic:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=obama+GE+nominee+department+of+justice+environment&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

[polichick]

70. Wow, this makes me wonder if the prez is an idiot or just not working for us...

Thanks for the links.

[donco6]

34. I would think Carville would know who's hiring who.

He's been around a very long time, and knows anyone who's anyone in DC. I suppose it's conjecture that they're having an effect on the administration. But it's not that far-fetched.

[SalviaBlue]

87. I agree with ProSense: Fuck Them!!

[unapatriciated]

42. no for the hypocrisy, she wanted to drill baby drill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpaZDia7RP4

[Phx_Dem]

84. No, helping to create the problem. Mary and the love of her life, Dick Cheney,

who can do no wrong. Cheney is as corrupt as they come and Mary fully supported everything he did and now she's boo hooing and blaming others.

[Phx_Dem]

85. Dupe post.

[polichick]

4. Matalin worked for Cheney while he gutted MMS - where was she then? nt

[joe black]

30. I did'nt know that.

In that case fuck her .

[proud patriot]

91. bingo

[joe black]

5. No fan of Marys.

I did think she was showing some pretty good restraint considering what she just saw while looking at the damage.

[Captain Hilts]

9. It's the 2nd go 'round for Louisiana. I understand the anger, as much as despise her. nt

[JuniperLea]

12. Oh, I have great understanding for the anger...

It's the hypocrisy that pisses me off.

[Captain Hilts]

17. In his case there is none. And, yes, I'd like to see her pal Cheney hauled back to DC. nt

[CreekDog]

23. Should be self-hatred

i've never heard her express a whiff of environmental concern, until now.

well you don't just "fix" an environmental disaster, you need to do work beforehand to make sure one doesn't occur.

and she was in a better position than 99.9% of Americans, since she recently worked in the White House, to actually push for such things.

but her politics meant that it was not her concern --reducing a capital gains tax was more important, and reducing regulation (like what could have applied to drilling) was not a priority. well that's what you get. my only regret is that it's not just her that gets what she asked for --it's a bunch of people and innocent creatures too.

actions have consequences. i want to hear her interviewer ask her if she believes that.

:grr:

[Webster Green]

41. Watching her suffer is the only up side to this disaster I've seen.

Can't get enough! I gotta go watch it again.

[Phx_Dem]

86. +1

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[JuniperLea]

8. Hypocrites!

They lead the "we need smaller/less government" cheers... until it suits them to come down on Obama...

We don't need big government! We don't need regulations!

Whaaa?

WHERE THE HELL IS OBAMA? Why isn't the government doing anything?

WAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Fuck you, indeed!

[K8-EEE]

79. She's upset there's not a "government bureaucracy" "on the backs of business"

Yeah, RIGHT! And why is that???

[Webster Green]

10. Mary Matalin needs to get the Big Dick on the phone.

If she wants to bitch at someone. :wtf:

[Captain Hilts]

14. I want him frog-marched to DC along with the BP officials. nt

[CreekDog]

13. Matalin would've been nice if you helped those 8 years you were in the White House

instead you helped gut environmental regulation.

like a paint job, 90% of mitigating an oil spill is preparation --making it not happen or get as out of control in the first place.

[ShortnFiery]

16. How callous. I don't figuratively kick people when they're down ... not even those I loathe.

They come from the New Orleans area.

This is an natural disaster of epic proportion.

Even people we HATE do feel pain and can grieve.

Can't we all show just a little mercy and empathy ... even for our political enemies?

[Captain Hilts]

19. I absolutely agree. I hate her, but this isn't about hating her, it's about the Gulf. nt

[Captain Hilts]

21. And it's the SECOND huge disaster they've faced in that area. nt

[dgibby]

28. Well said.

It's not a fair fight when you kick your opponent when she's down.

Personally, I think anyone who is living in that area or has family or friends there deserves our empathy, not our vitriol.

[ShortnFiery]

32. I'm far from worthy.

I can't stand Matlin either. I just have a huge capacity for a guilty conscious which is both a curse and a blessing.

One thing's for sure - I'm beginning to hate politics albeit I'll always vote and vote democratic.

[quakerboy]

77. Actually, it is perfectly fair

I would agree if you said its not nice, but when she significantly contributed to the problem at hand, I would say its perfectly fair.

For those who are being hypocritical I have anger. Hell, I am angry at me for using gas and contributing to this mess myself.

[ProSense]

31. Carville and Matalin are down?

They're self-serving assholes.

[KingFlorez]

33. The problem is that she's on the side that supports drilling

She worked for Dick Cheney, so it's pretty hard to feel bad for someone when they side with the people that set the disaster in motion in the first place.

[Cha]

37. And, her job for dick cheney was to lie her ass off about

Dems and lie again to pump up dick and his buddy bush.

[ShortnFiery]

40. Hey, I know all that ...

It's just that even jerks feel pain and now's not the time I wish to trash her.

Tomorrow when she gets more caustic, I won't hesitate.

It's like figuratively shooting someone in the back.

She's really hurting now - that freaks me out.

[JoePhilly]

71. She helped cause this ... and while kicking some one when down seems mean ...

Perhaps that's what it will take. Matlin has been shilling for the oil companies FOR EVER.

Now, her on actions have come back around and impacted HER LIFE.

She could not have cared less when stuff like this happened to others.

Now she wants everyone to pull together and help HER.

And again, maybe THAT is what it will take for some of these jerks to get it.

[CTyankee]

72. Nonetheless, she was part of the problem at a time when she could have

been part of the solution, but chose not to be. So I think any sympathy for her must be tempered with a sense of disgust over her past behavior. I do not absolve her of guilt even as I can humanly understand her own sorrow. She chose the path she took, of her own free will. Will she take some responsibility for HER role in letting this disaster happen? After all, what she did/didn't do is now affecting a lot more people than just herself. She aided and abetted the people in power to let this happen.

It seems to me that she is being egregiously opportunistic to play on our sympathy when it suits her to bash Obama. I take a very cold view of such behavior...

[tranche]

81. Why am I not surprised that you found a way to feel compassion for Mary Matlin?

While you spend your day accusing Coast Guard men and women of being outright liars you somehow find a way to make an emotional connection with Mary Matlin and her puma wearing husband James Carville.

[DeschutesRiver]

90. Then I am callous too.

If and when Mary Matalin says that having this disaster hit her personally has made her reject the policies that she promoted, admit that her positions were wrong and that this incident has changed her perspective, then I will be the first to feel for her plight.

But no, I admit I can't work up an ounce of sympathy for a person who is still apparently willing to deny others the relief which she is pleading for right now. Her political beliefs about the role of government still stand, and I guess I say, suck it up Matalin, just like you have always thought others should do when you and your cronies political beliefs and policies create havoc, uncertainty, and despair in your fellow citizens.

Welcome to their world. If she has a change of heart, I'll listen. All I'm hearing right now is a plea to help, because this is different - because it is happening to her part of the world. As though she thinks she is special, and exempt from the effects of the world view she holds smugly and dearly.

[dgibby]

20. I wonder if it's possible

for a scorpion to die from it's own bite.

[KingFlorez]

29. Really?

It's her side that supports drilling and now she's acting all upset about the consequences. Take long walk off a short pier, Matalin.

[Cha]

35. matalin wanted to screw America until the Oil Company

spills in her backyard.

I don't wish this on anyone but does anybody think this will stop her from being a hypocritical liar?

[tekisui]

36. Damn, they hit a nerve, eh?

[ProSense]

39. Yes,

Matalin is very concerned, and I'm not buying her bullshit.

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. Is this the bullshit you're not buying?

"We sailed through these marshes for two hours. We didn't see one boat, not one rescue effort, not one skimmer, not one container."

[NYC_SKP]

43. Matalin is a opportunistic asshat. Her she is on video, "Offshore drilling is environmentally sound

Or words to that effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpaZDia7RP4

From a post in Political Videos.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x468916

:mad:

[Arugula Latte]

64. Good catch. What a hypocritical asshat she is.

:grr:

[LittleBlue]

69. Hypocrite. She has no right to complain when she contributed to the problem

Defended it, even as we told her this could happen.

Screw her.

[K8-EEE]

80. THANK YOU!!!! CAUSE AND EFFECT ALERT!

This whole situation -- including the government not having any mechanism to deal with it is because of Repuke policies.

[Avalux]

44. Oh how people's tunes change when a tragedy affects them personally.

The ONLY reason these two vapid, unethical fools are upset is because they have a personal interest in the area. That's it. All about them, all the time.

[Jennicut]

45. They can both go to hell. Carville likes to be on tv.

Maybe if he would have stopped meddling in the elections of foreign countries, not called other Dems names when they did not agree with him, and did not help Rethugs then maybe I would give a crap that he "cares" about what is happening on the Gulf.

[zulchzulu]

46. Matalin helped advise Cheney to deregulate oil drilling standards

So thanks Mary!

[Catherina]

47. I see, they told the truth so Off with their heads n/t

[ProSense]

49. What

truth?

[Catherina]

61. Truth. Plain as day truth.

You know... the facts you work so hard to obscure. You're doing Obama no favors but don't let that stop you.

[kestrel91316]

48. Somebody needs to remind Mary that she supports unfettered free-market

capitalism, and her concern for the environment and job loss are misplaced. Plugging the leak is cutting into BP's profits.

[zulchzulu]

51. It's like a kid who killed his parents and siblings pleading for mercy because he's an orphan n/t

[CakeGrrl]

53. k/r - to hell with her. She had no compassion working for her boss all those years

but seeks it when she sows a bit of what their policies reap.

[treestar]

54. Why is this couple the primary victims of this?

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. I don't think they claim to be, nor do I think they've been portrayed to be.

They were in the marshes for two hours today, and saw no evidence whatsoever that there was any kind of containment or cleanup effort. Do you think we would have known that if they hadn't stepped before the cameras? I was kind of disappointed, well more than disappointed actually when I found that out. The worst ecological disaster in who knows how long, and there are sensitive areas that as of yet haven't had anyone there either trying to stop the oil from contaminating or trying to clean up what was already there... wouldn't that piss YOU off if you lived in Louisiana? It's frustrating for me, and I don't even live on the gulf coast.

I don't think their intent was to blame the Obama administration for anything. I saw them on live TV and that's not the impression I got. If I remember correctly, Carville was pointedly asked if he blamed Obama, and he refused to take the bait that was dangled in front of him. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be even more passionate about this, but life being what it is, they don't get any air time.

Lots of people are quick to point out that there are over 20,000 people somewhere in the gulf working on mitigating this disaster. Well, they were out there today, and didn't see a single one of them. To me, that's unacceptable. The perception is that it's Obama's fault, and I think that's what has his biggest supporters here up in arms. I understand that. This disaster isn't his fault. It's his watch though, and unfortunately, how this turns out is likely to be part of his legacy, rightly or wrongly.

[Jennicut]

60. Cleaning up areas that have oil already on them

can sometimes have the opposite effect you want.

Per the Exxon Valdez cleanup:
"This stuff became much more difficult to deal with plastered on the rocks than it was the first few days. and that is what led us to deal with it with the hot water," NOAA's Robinson remembers, describing the decision to rely heavily on high pressure hot water to wash the rocky beaches.

"The cleanup in Alaska didn't get started for a couple of months, started in a serious way," he said. "We eventually had to have about 10,000 people and several ships and support facilities and all the wherewithal to make hot water and deliver it to the coast. And that was a couple of months before that arrived, at least," he said.

It was more than a big effort though. It was a big mistake, Robinson said. "The aggressiveness of the cleanup in the end contributed to more damage than the oil did," he believes. Nine strips of beach were left untouched as an experiment, and those nine beaches look better today than the swept ones, where whatever was alive was cooked to death in superhot water. "http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37024720/ns/business-oil_and_energy/page/3/

And some in LA (like Jindahl) want to use sand berms to stop the oil from getting to the marshlands. But that could divert the oil to Mississippi and many experts doubt it will do anything at all:

"NEW ORLEANS -- A wall of sand that Louisiana officials have requested to block the Gulf of Mexico slick could instead funnel oil into more unprotected areas and into neighboring Mississippi, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said in documents released Wednesday. Gov. Bobby Jindal and leaders from several coastal parishes want to ring the state's southeastern coastline with a $350 million, 86-mile network of sand berms. However, the corps says the barrier could inadvertently alter tides and end up driving oil east - into Mississippi Sound, the Biloxi Marshes and Lake Borgne."
http://www.adn.com/2010/05/26/1295848/louisiana-diversion-berms-could.html#ixzz0p6S9jBrk


People like Carville and Matalin play for the camera but have little idea what is going on...everyone seems to think they know more then the experts do.

[cherokeeprogressive]

63. I agree about the cleanup in Prince William Sound being a disaster.

Sandberms altering the tides and sending the oil toward Mississippi? I guess Haley Barbour better get on the ball and start building berms of his own. As for the altering part, there isn't anything that says the berms can't be removed once the danger passes.

On your last point, Carville and Matalin DO know something... they know that in the whole of the area they covered today, there were no people attempting to mitigate the effects of the disaster. And without them in front of the camera, WE wouldn't have known that. In fact, all we would have known is what a certain DU'er whose name rhymes with no cents keeps telling us, which is that there are over 20,000 people working on a disaster that could potentially affect the entire continent.

[Jennicut]

65. So because Jimmy and his wife saw no one means there is no one there?

Yeah, I will take their word for it.

Sand berms also may do little to stop the oil from coming in and will take away needed sand from projects LA has needed for their barrier islands. Jindahl is being an idiot.

“The concepts behind this are probably sound,” said Denise J. Reed, a wetlands expert and interim director of the Pontchartrain Institute for Environmental Sciences at the University of New Orleans. “One of the reasons we’re so worried about the oil coming into the marshes is the barrier islands are so degraded. We don’t have a very intact shoreline.”

The governor’s plan would not permanently rebuild degraded coastal islands — a delicate and complex process that has been planned for years. A temporary sand barrier could wash away in a matter of months, experts said. And the type of sand necessary for long-term coastal restoration is in short supply along Louisiana’s shoreline.

“If we use the good sand that we have for this quick-and-dirty berm, and a storm comes in and spreads it around, we’ve lost the major sand resource that we wanted to use for barrier-island restoration,” Dr. Reed said. “We could compromise the long-term restoration of the coast for a short-term gain.”

Right now, the chain of barrier islands has very little protection. Asbury H. Sallenger Jr., an oceanographer with the United States Geological Survey, said the Chandeleur Islands lost the majority of their surface area during Hurricane Katrina. Even a strong wind can push a surge of water over the island, he said.

But Dr. Sallenger, like other experts, noted that the dredging project would take months to complete, and the oil is already showing up in the marshes. “My first question is whether such a thing could be done, from a scientific basis, quickly enough to be useful,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/us/22berms.html

So the possibility of diversion, the possibility of using needed sand on a project that experts question is going to work or not.

[cherokeeprogressive]

67. Small bit of news for you... Jimmy and his wife weren't out there alone.

And so far as I know, their words haven't been disputed. So you can disbelieve it if that's what fits within your preferred narrative.

As for the movement of sand, if I'm the Governor I'm moving it post haste. It's not going anywhere, and can in the future be reclaimed to be used for those planned projects.

Fuck the experts who say the sand could wash away. Is there a hurricane forming off of the east coast of Africa that I don't know about? If not, I'm putting the dredgers to work tomorrow. No, tonight.

[Zoeisright]

55. Fuck you, Matalin. Your heroes caused this mess.

You fellated Cheney and Bush all through their horrible tenure, and THIS is just ONE of the results.

[political_Dem]

56. It's quite different when the media elite themselves are the actual "refugees".

The main question to ask as Carville held up that bottle of oil and mugged for the cameras:

Did he loot that bottle of oil? Or did he find it?" :sarcasm:

Screw you, Carville, for being a two-faced turncoat. And screw your wife for being a rightist, blathering shill.

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[ProSense]

59. Assholes being assholes.

Carville and Matalin.

[boppers]

62. Whoops, guess my post was over the line.

Karma is funny that way. :D

[Norrin Radd]

66. I see right wingers on message boards all over the web crying

crocodile tears over the BP spill, as if they ever gave a fuck, or didn't cheer lead the oil companies. They can go fuck themselves.

[Golden Raisin]

68. Hard to decide which one

of them is the bigger or more obnoxious repulsoid. I guess Matalin who had her rightwing tongue rammed so far up Bush and Cheney's asses for 8 years it's amazing it wasn't darting out of THEIR throats. Hey Mary, Bush and Cheney stood proud and strong for Big Oil and for unfettered capitalism. NOW she doesn't like what she sees in the Gulf.

[lunatica]

73. Shouldn't Carville and Matalin be going after BP?

Shouldn't BP be cleaning up their fucking mess? What are this couple saying about that? What are they saying about Big Oil in general? What are they saying about alternate sources of energy? Since when did they suddenly become environmentalists?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

74. Mary "DRILL, BABY, DRILL" Matalin and her Gullom-looking husband need to STFU!!

Really! The nerve of them both. Carville was drowning in corruption when he was with Clinton.

And don't even get me started on his wife.

[watercolors]

75. With their big mouths, they could suck up the spill!

Just dump the two mother f---ers in it!

[Enrique]

76. she's always visibly upset

so is Carville. It's probably because they have to look at each other.

[DCBob]

78. Suddenly all Republicans are environmentalists..

pathetic.

[Hawkowl]

82. I hate these motherfuckers

Chickens are coming home to roost and now she whining about it? Special place in hell for these whores.

[Phx_Dem]

83. Mary's always been a huge proponent of oil drilling.

I guess the chickens have come home to roost.

Funny, I haven't heard her question her former boss and idol, Dick Cheney, for allowing oil companies to regulate themselves. I guess that's Obama's fault.

My heart does not bleed for you, Mary.

[Dr Fate]

88. I'm guessing that the plastic bottle was made from BP derrived petroleum.

n/t

[politicasista]

89. They are so 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008

They are looking like two people who are more part of the problem than the solution.