New jobs report - suck it, GOP:

[damonm]

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Three separate jobs reports released Wednesday signaled that the nation's employment picture may finally be brightening, and hinted that a government report due at week's end could show strong gains.

Private-sector employers added jobs in April for the third consecutive month, according to Automatic Data Processing (ADP).

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Outplacement firm Challenger, Gray and Christmas said planned job cuts in April dropped to the lowest level in nearly four years.

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The reports came ahead of the Labor Department's monthly jobs figures, scheduled for release Friday. The April data are expected to show a gain of 187,000 jobs, compared to an increase of 162,000 jobs in March, with the unemployment rate holding at 9.7%.

Unrecs and complaints from the haters in 3...2...1...

[Clio the Leo]

1. That's not too far off of Biden's "extremely optimistic" prediction of 200,000. NT

[Kingofalldems]

2. Yeah....Yeah!!

K and R for the teabaggers

[Aramchek]

3. The Repigs have no defense against this, and it will continue

[emulatorloo]

9. don't worry, they will just lie about it.

[Lasher]

39. It's easy to predict what they'll say:

"This recovery would have happened anyway. It's the magic of the unfettered free market with its invisible hands and everything. If we would have been in charge things would have been much better by now. The Great Recession was Clinton's fault. I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD."

[quiet.american]

4. Definitely, good news, but I can't wait to see that "9.7%" finally budge downward. nt

[Llewlladdwr]

54. Not happening this time.

I believe the rate went up to 9.9%.

[zulchzulu]

5. Luntzspeak: The workers hired aren't working hard enough at new jobs

Besides, the jobs are in the construction industry where (add some lame high percentage here) of the workers are in unions, where (add some lame high percentage here) of people polled think that (add some lame high percentage here) of the workers aren't doing (add some lame high percentage here) of the work they should.

[discopants]

7. actual Luntzspeak: "Taxpayer funded Government Jobs"

...gotta make people angry that new jobs are being created.

[Cha]

24. Predictable luntz whine. nt

[AllentownJake]

6. The new claims UE numbers sucked in April

Can't wait to see this report lol.

Man, they are getting desperate.

[backscatter712]

23. IIRC, the new claims were because people who had given up had started looking again.

They started filing for claims again. That may make this stat look bad when the situation really is improving.

[AllentownJake]

30. Ignorance

You can be a discouraged worker and still collecting unemployment. You know that right?

Do you even know what the BLS measurement is that will be coming out at the end of the month or how it is tabulated.

Give you a hint champ, it is a telephone survey, and the existing claims data or the new claims data are not part of the tabulation.

It is nothing more than a poll, and the way they get the U3 or U6 is more about classification than hard data.

New claims are people laid off collecting insurance.

The monthly data is 50,000 people who are called and the data extrapolated by their answers across the nation. The metrics that measure the answers is a moving thing and you find that out by reading.

Do us all a favor, educate yourself so you don't say silly things in the future.

[Jakes Progress]

41. Hard data is when people I know that are looking for work

find decent jobs. 9.7, 8.3, 11.1.

All just numbers when the rent is due and that tooth that is killing you will just have to wait so you can get your kid shoes without holes. All just numbers put together by people who have insurance and jobs - jobs making numbers that say everything is just fine. Ignore that pain. Things are just fine.

[mkultra]

55. the number went to 9.9 because people moved out of U6

into U3. U6 shrunk. thats the fact.

[AllentownJake]

33. I want to add to the ignorance of what you just posted

You have to have a job and lose it, to file a claim, taking out the entire BLS weekly and monthly phone surveys. You should probably understand unemployment insurance before commenting on it and leaving little doubt on how little you know.

[Duke Newcombe]

8. Story to be buried on page f14 of your paper and C-SPAN in 3...2...1... n/t

[emulatorloo]

10. and Mitch McConnell making shit up on page one

without a fact check

[SpartanDem]

11. Let's hope they're right

[jthorpe]

12. 9.7 sucks

9.7 sucks. It's like celebrating because your 104 degree fever is now 103.9.

[airforceone88888888]

13. both

my parents are still out of work tho, and we have to use food stamps

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[Tarheel_Dem]

15. Couldn't help but notice that you both signed up today. Hmmmmm....

Would you prefer that we lost 180k jobs? You do know that we began losing 800k jobs a month back in Dec. '07, right? So, instead of griping, why don't we raise a glass to the people who were lucky enough to find a job?

[airforceone88888888]

16. i apologize if i did

something wrong by registering today

also not my fault my parents are out of work.

im not griping my parents try hard and so do i

if you dont like my posts please ignore me because i have nothing against you, why is everyone here so mean?????

[Blue-Jay]

18. Shun the mean and nasty libruls!

And they have the nerve to call themselves "tolerant". *weep*

[airforceone88888888]

20. whatver

just becasue there are a few asses here doesn't mean all liberals are that way!!!!!!!

the ones i know arent like that

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. Perhaps no one else noticed, or cares. I just found it "interesting".

We have a history of mischief and reincarnations around here, if you catch my meaning. My apologies.

[airforceone88888888]

22. its okay

bro :)

[mkultra]

56. i see it. Brand new debbie downers

it fits the usual pattern.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. It's Hard To Know Who Is And Who Isn't Truthful

I understand the suspicion but if the gentleman or woman's parents are both unemployed I can understand his or her grumpy mood.

My fiancee and I are unemployed and underemployed. When you are worrying about where your next meal will come from it's hard to be happy about anything.

[namahage]

17. So how do you manage to pay for the upkeep

on your battery-powered car?

[airforceone88888888]

19. we do ok

plus my dad got a grant for the car(part of it the other part i paid) from work before getting laid off

my parent to fine by me so dont worryand what they cannot do for me doesnt matter to me

i will take care of them someday

[rasputin1952]

27. That's the way things are supposed to go...

They take care of us, and we're there for them when they need us.

Welcome to DU...:hi:

[jenmito]

25. Good catch!

What a phony!

[renate]

45. I'm really sorry to hear that

On the one hand, the positive numbers are a great sign that maybe your parents will be able to find work soon. On the other, it sucks that they haven't gotten those jobs yet.

I hope better times are just around the bend for your family. :hug:

[TheEuclideanOne]

42. Not true at all. 9.7 is actually an awesome number and many wish it were alot higher

Think about it, with unemployment at 9.7%, the right wing radio show hosts, which are the though leaders of the party, can still be going on and on about how great it is that Obama has not brought unemployment down to that 8% that he claimed he would. "See, we made this huge mess and he didn't clean it up as fast as he said he would!!! He is a failure for not fixing our fuckups fast enough and we are Heros for making the mess in the first place. Woo Hoo!!!". I can just hear it now. Imagine if it was 12, 13 or even 25%? You would never see the leaders of the party so giddy! It would be like America losing the Olympics times 10. You guys can all wish for the country to fail so that some politicians in your party can get back into power.

So, ignore the fact that the number of jobs being created is increasing and try to keep holding on to any bad news that you can focus on and add conjure up a few more if it will make you feel better. Let me ask you, what will you do when unemployment starts to go down. Pretty horrible scenario for you, eh?

[Democat]

44. You have to get to 103.9 before you get back to normal!

When things are getting better, that's good, right?

Or do you want to see them get worse for some reason?

[nickinSTL]

26. Better news, but...

yeah, I'm going to complain.

Until the people I care about who are out of work have permanent jobs, not just temporary, I'm going to complain.

Until my employer can afford to give us raises, or at least not cut our pay when budget time rolls around, I'm going to complain. Don't like it, too bad.

I want to believe that a jobs recovery is coming, but with my wife having spent so much time without a job, I'm not inclined to be optimistic.

[phleshdef]

28. Those problems never go away, even when employment has been at its best.

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. +1

[ipaint]

31. Tons of new jobs, factory orders are up, wall street is doing great

but the U3 is still at 9.7%. OK....

At this rate it will take a good decade or more to get back to normal levels, if ever. Tough shit for a majority of that 9.7%. Bread lines for you.

[Festivito]

32. ADDING JOBS!!111!!! That could increase wages. Drat!

Can't we return to the Bush days of falling wages and borrowed wealth economies?

:sarcasm:

[AllentownJake]

34. WTF are you talking about?

80% of the unemployed have been unemployed for over a year and you are talking wage inflation?

:rofl:

I swear, the economic ignorance is priceless sometimes.

Here is the deal, the jobs will exist in a statistical adjustment, and that is about the only place they will exist.

New claims never fell below the 450,000 mark all month, which singles possible job creation.

[jeff47]

35. Did you seriously miss the sarcasm icon?

How 'bout actually paying attention to what you read before attacking it?

[AllentownJake]

36. Sorry

:blush:

[marmar]

37. And when all those temporary census jobs start disappearing next month?

:think:

[Junkie Brewster]

40. I believe these statistics are normed for the season

It's more of a factor after school lets out and the kids start working full time, and of course, the run up to Xmas, but I'm pretty sure that periodic jumps in employment are taken into consideratin.

[leveymg]

52. Those 600,000 jobs that will be lost outweigh all the gains of last few months

This is smoke and mirrors, as are most BLS stats for many years. Every Administration wants to put the best spin on these figures. The last period of real employment gains was some 12 or 13 years ago. Since 01/20/09, its been nothing but damage control and bailouts. The fundamentals suck, but that's a long-term crisis.

[DesertDiamond]

38. I hope this is truly a sign of recovery. I also hope these aren't the kind of job where you need two

to survive. And as for the 99 weekers, will they have first dibs? Because once they're living out of their cars, it's going to be very very hard to secure one of those great new jobs.

[Gore1FL]

43. Is there a link to this article? n/t

[workinclasszero]

46. Hey my niece just got a new job!

And in Michigan no less! YAY!

Republicans in control = rich get richer, less jobs and economic destruction for everyone else

Democrats in control = job growth and improving economy for everyone else and personally, I don't give a rats ass what happens to the rich!

Got that America?

[SnakeEyes]

47. They are going to say

Unemployment didn't move, these are mostly government jobs, and it's because of temporary census workers.

[Autonomy]

48. K&R for Obama and for hopes I get a job n/t

[sellitman]

49. Show me the figures with the folks who dropped off the map.

These figures are waaaaaay off if you factor those people in. I don't see a return to manufacturing across any market segment. Without manufacturing these number are BS.

[jenmito]

51. The reason the unemployment rate is still 9.7% is because more people are rejoining

the number of those looking for work. It's a lagging indicator. The economy IS getting better.

[backscatter712]

57. Manufacturing is going up.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/03/news/economy/ISM_manufacturing/

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/801-economy/95611-manufacturing-expands-at-fastest-pace-since-2004

[sellitman]

62. Where are the new factories?

You know....the ones that use to be in China?


Until we start making it here a small blip in production means nothing more than a reprieve.

[Aramchek]

60. sell that BS somewhere else, pal

[sellitman]

63. Stick your head in sand, Pal

You never answered my post anyways. Others tried.


Wouldn't want to tax your brain though.

[lynne]

61. There are lots of us who have never been counted -

- I was laid off in January. Have never been without a job in 35 years so thought I'd get one right away. I've been strung along by several companies and still have yet to find a job. I'm not collecting unemployment so I'm not counted.

[sellitman]

64. I am "under employed"

I am working but making less than half of what I made a few years ago. With 2 kids in College my savings is almost gone. I too don't show up on the official record.

The official record is a shame.

[liquid diamond]

53. That's good news. We can't have that here. Unrec.

:sarcasm:

[ClarkUSA]

58. Only a Failer would unrec or complain about this great news for the country. K&R

;kick:

[greencharlie]

59. party starts at 5% unemployment... nt

[HughMoran]

65. It's all or fucking nothing,

right?

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