I'm not only going to keep my $ & volunteer time from you, I'm not voting for you in 2012.

[Divine Discontent]

As much as I was disgusted by the invasion of Iraq and spoke constantly against it at work and with people I met, then saw the endless Afghanistan war carry on far too long and failing at it's purpose, I'd be lying to myself if I said, "oh, it's okay, I'm still voting for the man that is expanding the bloodshed for at least three years in Afghanistan!".

To see history repeat itself, and watch my president delude himself into thinking that people who have found a way to avoid invaders to this very day, will be stopped by a larger invasion force costing tens of billions a year is nothing short of angering.

I will not make one call, talk to one neighbor, make one donation, and certainly not cast a vote for a warmonger.

I couldn't stand George W. B*sh for his pointless bloodshed - and I sure as hell ain't gonna throw up my hands and cheer as the new warmonger-in-chief comes on the TV to give us ethereal prose as he waxes over the situation as a necessity for world peace and an honorable venture for American sacrifice that isn't going to be pretty, inexpensive, or without death - but we must do it...


whatever.

I guess it's hello president Mittens, because there's hardly anyone I know who voted for you who's happy, and I'm tired of defending Geithner & Emanuel's crafty work that seems to have benefited the wealthy and the conglomerates far more than the average American - but, ah - alas we have a noble cause to rally behind that might cause some job growth in the military sector while making the bloodlust crowd hopeful that Obama can be used to further Cheney's brand of 'world peace'.

America's not buying it Mr. President, and you've lost a large portion of your base.

Enjoy your serious talk to the nation, I'm not watching you destroy your presidency beyond all repair.

[FSogol]

1. Un-rec. Why not wait and hear the case he makes for his actions tonight?

Plenty of time for wailing and gnashing of teeth tomorrow.

[Divine Discontent]

6. I'm not wailing, and I'm not gnashing my teeth - I have none thanks to no health care. Maybe we

could spend that money on health care instead. Also, it's been announced we're increasing the troop levels. This is like the b*sh years all over again. There's nothing he could say that could change my mind. I'm very much against military invasions. I'm a liberal progressive who adores these words - "Blessed are the peacemakers - for they shall be called the children of God".

Barring an invasion by moon men who are hiding out in the caves and are planning to overthrow our government, there's not much he could say to persuade me to support 3 more years of increased bloodshed and watching the bodies hit the floor and the debt skyrocket, while we read weekly how we accidentally killed 5 children in a house we thought was holding bad guys.

Thanks for your opinion, nonetheless.

[livetohike]

9. Then if you did indeed vote for, volunteer for and send money

to Obama in 2008 - why did you do it? He never was going to be the peace candidate. What were you expecting?

[Divine Discontent]

2. thanks for the quick recs I saw before some people didn't like my opinion and voiced their own with

a unrec, that's fine.

I stand by my views, I watched B*sh destroy this country, and it's not going to get better with these actions going on now.

Thanks to those who agreed. It's a shame to see the CHANGE candidate be just like Lil Boots on several issues.

:(

[lapfog_1]

3. Yup, because President Palin will be SOOOO much better.

need I add :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Divine Discontent]

7. lol... you're dreaming if you think more than a third of repubs would vote for that ninny.

She's a kook to many people I've met.

[emilyg]

8. She won't be the only choice.

[lapfog_1]

15. President Mittens or President Pawlenty

are so much better...

:sarcasm:

:sarcasm:

:sarcasm:

Actually, I think the wing nut teabagger "wing" of the Republicans might very well nominate Sarah.

Who else gets crowds on book signing tours?

Glenn Beck and Rushbo are the only two that I can think of. And they ain't gonna run. They are in this for the money.

Sarah is a true believer.

Can she get elected? Well, if the progressive base collectively turns its back on Obama, the youth vote is gone and won't be back to help, the independents will be swayed by the constant right wing attacks, and the conservadems are just as likely to either not vote or even vote repuke.

Yeah, she can get elected. Especially when you add in the 10% vote stealing that the repukes do every major election.

[emilyg]

63. Did you forget one can always

vote 3rd party or stay home?

[kiva]

36. You know, you all need to decide on one message.

Either A or B:

A. You should never have voted for Obama if you disagreed with his stance on Afghanistan. Never mind that you agreed with him on other issues, or you didn't want to see President McCain.

B. It doesn't matter what Obama does about Afghanistan, HCR, or other issues, we must all continue to support him because the alternative is too terrible.

Get back to the rest of us when you decide on the talking point de jour.

[Garam_Masala]

59. Palin won't be on the ballot in November 2012

What is the last time GOP nominated a new face?

You either have to be from a political dynasty (the Bushits) or senior GOP (Dole, McCain).
Reagan had tried to be the nominee many times before he was nominated.

The old guard in GOP will never allow Palin the nomination.

[salguine]

66. That stale,lame-ass catch-all deflection really needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot, too.

[Cleita]

4. Yes, you will vote for him in 2012 because there isn't a Republican

you will want to vote for or allow to win by not voting. Think of this ticket. Palin/Beck or Romney/Bachmann or I could name you so many combinations and none of them are good.

[Divine Discontent]

10. I never said I'd vote republican. I just won't vote, and I've read the #'s of us who will not vote

for corporate-lite and a warmonger are growing, very very sad to say.

[Cleita]

14. By not voting, you take away the votes that cancel out Republican votes.

This country can't afford any more Republicans. As bad as the DLCers are in your mind, they are better than the religious/fascists criminals you would be letting rule our country.

[zalinda]

41. No party or individual OWNS my vote

I vote for the person when they EARN my vote. My party is no longer earning my vote, they have left the building.

zalinda

[Cleita]

43. Good for you then behave against your own best interests and enjoy the

next four years with President Palin. I personally will hope I'm dead or dying by that time because I don't want to live one minute more under an authoritarian Republican administration.

[zalinda]

45. What best interests of mine have been addressed

thus far? Where are the fucking jobs, real health reform, what about all the banks getting bailed out while home owners lose everything? The amount of disappoint from this supposedly Democratic President is mind blowing.

Although I did think it was a good thing that he lifted the restrictions on stem cells, until I realized he did it for Big Pharma and not the American public.

zalinda

[Cleita]

48. Well do you want to lose even more, like your rights to abortion,

gay rights if you are gay or have gay relatives or friends? We were heading for a fascist dictatorship under Bush. Another Republican in office and they could finish the job and there is a certain Republican governor of California who wants the job. All he needs is for Congress to change the law about natural born citizens and it could happen under another Republican regime. You have seen what a great job he's done in California. I understand how pissed off you are with Republican Lite. So am I, but if we hang in there we can get the Congress we want through hard work and it won't make a difference then, whose President. Otherwise, we may find ourselves with a one party state, like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh want if we ever let the neo-cons back in power.

[spoony]

49. If that happens it'll be the Dems' fault for not moving away from

the GOP's policies. Why should people constantly have to choose the lesser of two evils? You know what that gets you? Still evil.

[salguine]

64. Which I guess matters to you if all you care about is winning the election.

[Cleita]

68. So if winning the election is unimportant, what do you suggest? n/t

[salguine]

77. I'm more concerned with what happens after all the confetti is swept up.

[LoZoccolo]

5. And they scoff that I call them "Palin Democrats". n/t

[AVID]

11. Obama will win easily in 2012

[avaistheone1]

69. That's what George HW Bush thought after his Gulf War victory.

He was soundly rejected by voters.

[EC]

12. Fool.. n/t

[Splinter Cell]

13. Don't let the door hit you in the ass....

This fucking bullshit is stunning. The absolute depth of stupidity from some of our own people on the left is amazing.

Barack Obama is President of the United States. He has responsibilities, and that means trying to do what he feels is best.

He never campaigned against fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. He was against Iraq, and he's making progress on winding that down.

The people that attacked this country thrive in Afghanistan. He can't ignore that. The military has long needed more attention in that country, and it went ignored while Dumbya invaded Iraq. Like it or not, Obama cannot, and will not take his eyes off the people that attacked us on 9/11.

It's time to grow up and be adults. The endless bitching, about EVERYTHING this man does, helps nobody. He's a damn good man, and a damn good president. He's actually got America's best interests at heart, even if you backseat driving, fair-weather democrats can't or won't understand that.

Stay home and cry, and hope that somebody that would make war just for profit is elected. That will be a big help. If you voted for this man to do this impossible job, then let him do it.

You can't cry your way to a better world, but you can help shape one. Obama is trying to handle all of this, and it's less then a year into his term. Jump off his fuckin' back long enough to let him try.

[Cha]

20. Thank you for your

take on this.

"It's time to grow up and be adults. The endless bitching, about EVERYTHING this man does, helps nobody. He's a damn good man, and a damn good president. He's actually got America's best interests at heart, even if you backseat driving, fair-weather democrats can't or won't understand that."

[azmouse]

22. Excellent post.

I hope we see more of you here on DU.

[impik]

28. Amen, dude. Give yourself a hug from me.

I can't believe this crap. Seriously.

[leftynyc]

31. Extremely well said

Bravo!! If I had a hat, I'd tip it to you.

[CitizenLeft]

35. thank you

:applause:

[dionysus]

39. wow.

:thumbsup:

[ronnykmarshall]

42. Damn right!

I don't post much anymore or visit.

Now I know why reading all this "I'm not gonna vote for Obama in '12" horse shit.

But your post was great.

[dionysus]

76. haven't seen you in a long time

[spoony]

50. "Grow up and be adults" = Don't whine when your owners neglect you

Fuck that shit. You are free to be loyal to people who count on your "lesser evil" vote every election all you like, but don't you dare browbeat someone else when they wake the fuck up and stop rewarding bad policies with their votes!

[fishnfla]

80. rec this post

:thumbs up:

[MrMickeysMom]

81. Here... you dropped something....

"This fucking bullshit is stunning. The absolute depth of stupidity from some of our own people on the left is amazing."

Yeah... It sure is...



If Obama cannot, and will not take his eyes off the people that attacked us on 9/11, then would someone take the advice members of the original 911 commission and include all the testimony, while investigating all the Bush/Cheney lies, but give restitution to all the first responders who were lied to by EPA director Christy Whitman and are dying of chronic lung disease and having to take early retirement without adequate health coverage?

"If you voted for this man to do this impossible job, then let him do it."

There you go again...
Yeah, as if what has been in discussion HERE actually affects him doing his job THERE. Would you like to explain just how we keep that from happening by expressing opinions on this board?

Yup, thought so.

[zulchzulu]

16. Maybe you missed the part where Obama said the war in Afghanistan was worth fighting for

I disagree, but it was very apparent in nearly every speech he gave that he was going to do exactly what he will say he is doing tonight.

I look forward to the timelines for withdrawal from a region of the World in a boondoggle of a war that he inherited where he had nothing to do with in the first place.

Any war takes time to end. It's not a video game.

I understand your disappointment, but the war in Afghanistan is essentially at least 20+ years old (if you know your history) and it takes time to get the hell out of there.

[WeDidIt]

17. So is this lyour last post on DU? n/t

[Divine Discontent]

75. obviously, contrary to your incorrect belief, there's more in politics than just one person. Why

would I leave just because I'm not going to support him for re-election? I will not promote any other presidential candidate on this board. But I will promote the Democratic candidates that I support, and I will discuss my liberal beliefs on this board. I'm not going to be bullied into cheerleading for the president's misguided warmongering, patriot act, deals with big pharma, keeping on of B*sh appointees, and anything else I don't think is very progressive or liberal in nature. I also don't believe based on his actions, that he's for everyone's rights and is willing to compromise too much away to a very weak Republican party that deserves no concessions after the 8 years of bullsh*t they put America through. You are entitled to your disagreement with me on my opinions, and stating why you think I'm wrong, so I read them, which I've done with everyone else who agrees and disagrees - but to ask if it's my last post is goofy.

[cry baby]

18. If the alternative repub is acceptable to you, then go for it!

One issue voters...jeez! Guess we won't be seeing you around here much anymore!

[azmouse]

19. I suspect many who say this didn't vote for Obama last year.

*yaaaattentionwhorewwwnnn* Don't vote. I don't care.

[dionysus]

40. and here we have a winner!!! it makes me laugh when these people who never voted for him,

breathlessly declare they have renounced the support they never had for him.

"b-b-but i campaigned!!11 i raised mone-"

bulllllshit, who do they think they're fooling?

[spoony]

51. Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to you that anyone who voted for him

is now beyond disappointed with his actions? And what other psychic gifts do you possess?

[dionysus]

54. no, not at all. after reading so much DU i think i have a decent angle on who is sincere and who is

just piling on or glomming onto an issue just to rage. i certainly don't feel this way about everyone that is angry, but there are some posters whom i am certain this is the case. and in some cases i could be wrong.

for what it's worth, i'm not for this increase in troops either. but i'm not going to pitch some kind of a fit and denounce the president. i'm certainly not in the camp that acts like he's gleeful about doing this...

[spoony]

55. Your "certainty"--since you cannot, actually, be certain--is meaningless

And do you get how insulting it is to have your motives questioned constantly? Especially by someone you've run into once maybe twice in your entire life?

[dionysus]

56. it's just my opinion, and you have yours. and like it matters, but i've read your posts and i

have no reason to think you're not sincere... but come on, there a few here that are so obvious it's funny...

[Divine Discontent]

73. hey smart-alec, don't call me a liar. read my damned journal that not only congratulates Obama

being our party's first minority candidate for the presidency, but I wrote that it's also wrong for people who are bitching every single day to me about the policies of reckless financial profiteering at any cost destroying our country being Obama's fault, and that it's still B*sh and Dick's economy - not the president's.

I draw the line at warmongering - and will never back down on that. I ain't fooling anyone, if you took 15 seconds to check people's journals before you accuse them of not really having supported the president for office you'd find you're the one posting bullshit. so, no smart-alec, we don't "have a winner", we have you being incorrect in your brilliant use of the internets!

[polichick]

21. I sympathize with you, but consider voting an obligation of citizenship...

Like you, I won't be working for Obama or contributing funds again.

I would love to see a strong, vibrant peoples party emerge from the wreckage of the two corrupt corporate/mic parties we have today.

[salguine]

65. I used to consider voting an obligation, too, until I finally woke up to the fact

that my government doesn't apparently feel the slightest obligation to me, or to any other citizen who doesn't shit money. I may never vote again, and there's nothing anyone can say to me to make me feel the least bit bad about it.

[Name removed]

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[Jane Austin]

24. The Future doesn't give a rat's ass about your high dugeon.

The Future will only look at who won.

[Ineeda]

25. So you didn't believe what he said for two years?

Or were you not listening? He said Afghanistan needed more attention/troops, and that was what he would do if elected. But despite your 'disappointment' or rage on that issue, you campaigned for him, gave him money and cast your vote for him anyway? I hate these B*sh wars too, but I'm trusting the man I voted for.

[salguine]

26. Careful, Divine Discontent...you'll stand accused of wanting a pony.

[Divine Discontent]

71. that and wanting a pizza! lol... obviously some people can't read journals to see a long history of

liberal beliefs. Of course, the stupid pizza line to long time members always makes me think, "you really have nothing to dispute what I'm saying, do you?"

If I can have a pony, I'd like a big pink one! With a snow white mane!

Funny how the #1 rec'd thread shows how upset people are with Obama, who are very liberal in their beliefs.

For many of us - when you cross the line into warmongering - well, it's not something a progressive cheers on.

[salguine]

79. Anytime some tool posts a response with even the word "pony" in it,

*boom* to the ignore list. Same with anyone who tosses out accusations of "freeper" or "troll" in response to legitimate concerns...*boom*! Ignore list! Anyone who responds to a serious, articulate, well-reasoned post with "FAIL"—*boom*! Ignore list! I never put people on ignore for disagreeing with me in a reasoned, thought out debate. I put them on there of they consistently say blindingly stupid things, profoundly undemocratic things...deflecting all criticisms with a snotty query as to whether I would have preferred McCain/Palin is a one-way ticket to the ignore list. As I said, it's grown to several hundred names by now. I have so many people on ignore that sometimes I can't even read anything on DU until I log out.

[a la izquierda]

27. I don't support the war

by a longshot.



But I will still vote.

[Baltoman991]

29. And this my

fellow Democrats is why our party is never taken seriously anymore. Talk like this makes us no better then the right. They demand it all their way and posts like this are saying that our side wants it all our way. In the real world it doesn't work like that.

So you and your whiney friends stay home in 2012 but remember, you will have no fucking right at all to complain when Palin or whomever wins on the right destroys whats left of our country.

[Algorem]

30. I looked in the local rag tv schedule and the fox station is the only one with obama speech on

schedule.and that's for 1/2 hour.what's that about?fox got burned by not airing the health care press conference and they don't want to give anyone the idea that they will do that this time?and they lie obama when he's obomba?and why a half hour?is obomba going to skiddaddle without taking questions?

[elocs]

32. Although many disagree, you are entitled to your opinion and your own criteria

for whom you will give your vote. I'll not tell you that you are wrong for you.

I'll say this: life is about choices and consequences and as you get older, regrets and how to live with them. By this time in my life I have learned to live with regrets and although it is hard to be disappointed I have found that I still can feel disappointment and it sucks.

[leftynyc]

33. Oh Goody

Does that mean we get to miss any more of your whiny drivel?

[Jennicut]

34. Hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and decision.

Personally, it is a bit early to say that I would or would not vote for Obama in 2012. We are barely a year into his Presidency.

[Ryano42]

37. I am dissapointed too...and he did say more troops as a candidate...

but WE must also look at this counterpoint:

An angry, unhinged, unstable President McCain encouraged on by VP Palin:

A sustained air campaign into Iran, possibly with Nuclear strikes, followed by a limited invasion. An armed forces near breaking would obviate turning Iran to glass and McCain on many occasions has shown he WANTS this if he had the power to do it. No consulting congress or deliberation...he would have "W"ed it.

150,000 more troops in to both existing fronts. NO withdrawal. NO plan for withdrawal EVER. Re-fighting Vietnam his way.

And not mentioning so many other issues that would have been affected by him.

THIS was the alternative to Obama. Please consider this in 2012 because there will be no such thing as an antiwar Republican candidate for president.

It isn't ideal for certain but things could have been soo much worse.

[dionysus]

38. your dream won't come to pass, sorry. no matter how much you wish it to be.

[Arkana]

44. Barack Obama campaigned on a promise to finish the job in Afghanistan.

And you voted for him.

And you're now SURPRISED that this is his position on Afghanistan?

[goldcanyonaz]

46. Obama stated that he would send more troops to Afghanistan.

Did you somehow miss that?

"Obama has made Afghanistan a centerpiece of his proposed strategy for dealing with terrorism threats. The Illinois senator has said the war in Afghanistan, where Taliban and al-Qaida-linked militants are resurgent, deserves more troops and more attention as opposed to the conflict in Iraq."

[ShortnFiery]

47. And, as such, he will be a One Term President. eom

[Baltoman991]

52. Using your logic,

he would have never gotten elected in the first place. See, just because you ignored what he said doesn't mean the majority of Americans didn't listen.

You've made it quite clear on this board that nothing would make you happier then for Obama to lose in 2012.

He won in 2008 running on escalation in Afghanistan and he'll win in 2012 after having done so.

[Cha]

57. That's the only thing

that's been clear.

[ShortnFiery]

60. That's NOT what sold many of us liberal democrats to vote for Obama.

We were hoping that when the al Qaeda was forced back to Pakistan that we would bring the troops home. This escalation is INSANITY and no, he will not again get my vote.

[WI_DEM]

53. Good.

[branders seine]

58. You can count the number of people in Washington DC who

are on the people's side on one hand.

None of them work in the White House.

[vaberella]

61. Latas...n/t

[SKKY]

62. There you go. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

But, as a Vet who has spent the last 17 years of his life in service to this country, I support and defend your right to say whatever you want.

[Odin2005]

67. What toppings do you like on your tombstone?

[Divine Discontent]

70. Mushrooms and Pepperoni. You?

otherwise, the silly reason you meant it shows how inept you are at arguing how your love of warmongering is needed. And since this is a discussion forum, we may not agree - but the weakest argument you can tell someone like me (check my journal) is that I'm gonna get tombstoned for not supporting the blue dog president! It's laughable at best.

There was no good reason he could state as to why we need to spend billions more to build up an invasion force in Afghanistan, but hey, if you think it's a great idea, and warfare for no purpose satisfies you, then vote for him. I won't. I will continue fighting for liberal policies involving the stopping of American imperialism around the globe, the respect of the environment, rights for everyone to marry and all that comes with it, and women's protections. But, no, I won't cheer on a president who wants to be all b*shified and prop up a fruitless bloody war for three more years, minimum.

[smalll]

72. Thanks for your "concern." Hope you "enjoyed your stay."

":hi:"

I'm Just Sayin'! :shrug:

[Divine Discontent]

74. what in the world are you referring to? you think the people who are disgusted with the president

who are liberals and have put that thread that is the #1 most rec'd item on DU are anti-Democratic Party? I am strongly against warfare that makes no sense. If B*sh gave that speech tonight, other than for his mispronouncing words, I wouldn't have thought anything differently.

My kind of Democrats are Dennis Kucinich, Jimmy Carter, Sherrod Brown, etc. President Obama is quickly proving with his having kept so many Bushies on, his support for the patriot act, his questionable financial agreement with big pharma, and Afghan surge, and several more issues, that he's doing many things B*sh woulda done.

I'm just Sayin'!

[Top Cat]

78. If President Obama lost your vote he never really had it..