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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:43 PM
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I'm joining The Other 95%!
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 11:53 PM by FrenchieCat
Love the name, and love the idea!



How is it that the angry and scared members of the radical fringe dominate the news cycle every night?

They scream about deficits and "outrageous taxes." Where were they when 3/4ths of our 10 trillion dollar debt was created by George W. Bush?

Meanwhile our country faces critical challenges in our infrastructure, education, economy and overall quality of life.

Taxes and government are an essential part of all of these. The answer isn't "big government" but effective government. And it's essential that we all pay our fair share. (This means citizens and corporations alike).

We are aware that government, like any big business, can involve corruption, but we also know that our government is just us - of, by and for The People.

Come join the growing movement to set the record straight and stand up for our country and our future!





I don't want to sit on my ass for the next six months......
so this will give me something constructive to do!

After that NYT polls, we know that those Teabaggers are the old elites,
while the 95% of us are just plain regular hard working folks and the youth. :)

Site: http://theother95.com/ :toast:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:52 PM
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1. Excellent! Thankfully this has been started and here's some
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:52 PM
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2. reminds me of my riding days
when you would see a 1% patch on someone you knew who they were

someone needs to make a 95% patch
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:53 PM
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3. me too! me too! NT
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:58 PM
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4. Gonna need to put on my marching Boots.....
Spring is here! ;)


Plus they appear so much more diverse...I think I'll fit right in!
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:01 AM
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5. We should put together a "real" macrh,
with a couple hundred thousand 95 %ers.

Of course, nobody outside MSNBC would notice. :evilfrown:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:06 AM
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6. Their FB page has gone up by about 5000 within the day!
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:57 AM
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15. I'll join them at FB but, the teabaggers I have seen on teevee
do not look like they are the wealthiest 1%. Maybe they are uninformed (actually full of propaganda) loudmouths (sorry) that are unaware of anything. The "other 95%" name says it all. Maybe there is hope if we will all become active. We have to be true to our values and not let the DNC use us. The RNC has bagged the baggers.
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:01 PM
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25. Just joined!
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:06 AM
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7. Good Luck! I hope that the work of the organization can stop the Teabaggers at their game.
It is time that there are people out there who help break down the mystique of the Teabaggers by the media. Furthermore, it is finally time to have a different point of view out there.


:thumbsup:
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:26 AM
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8. "Get your own party!," some Teabagger shouted to a 95%er in DC today...
sounding just like a 7-year-old.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:30 AM
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9. I'm with you, Frenchie. I heard one of these guys on the radio this morning with
Thom Hartmann and went right to the site.

It was interesting that he was telling Thom how it began, and it just exponentially grew -- he has no idea how many groups there might be around the country.

It's very exciting!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:31 AM
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11. We'll show them some "grassroots" alright!
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 12:44 AM
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10. Joined n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:23 AM
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:24 AM
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13. What are you talking about?
Our President and the whole country knows that this debt must be paid off. but since I am one of the 95% I think i can say that personally I don't give a damn about how much the deficit is at this point. the only way to fix the budget is to take out wasteful spending (remember those three hundred dollar hammers in military spending) and to put in place the real regulated changes that protect consumers.Lets sort of look at America as a house that needs a new roof. You have patched and patched and finally you get the news that you are going to need a new roof. The roof must be completely dismantled and all new materials put in place before the shingles go on. Well you don't have any ready cash but your credit is good. So now we are just going to place the payment on the credit card and pay it off over time. And if we can put two wars on the credit card without any money surly the things to secure Americas future can go on the credit card also. And if you are so worried about the debt where were you when Dubya was setting us up for disaster.Welcome to DU:hi:
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American Minority Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:46 PM
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16. Deleted Message
I don't believe it! I sincerely came here to post a thought provoking point of view in order to start a civil discussion in an attempt to understand the liberal progressive mind set. The two replies I received were a good start and I appreciated the thoughtful and articulate messages. After my message was deleted I re-read the forum rules and it appears to me that no opposing viewpoints are allowed. I'm confused as to the usefulness of a forum that presents one point of view only. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:28 PM
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19. I don't know what you posted
because I went to work.I checked my du and wanted to see your reply. Since I didn't I will assume the moderators felt the post was objectionable. Lets get some thing straight. I can defend my point of view on fact by fact basis. And things I forget other duers remember. This is a sight that support The President and his current administration. Although, we don't always agree on everything the most important thing is the Democratic Agenda. Where true democracy has no color,sex,religious,or political hangups. In order for there to be those things we must always stay united. This gives us strength with numbers.If you are going to correct a point then you must bring fact not fiction. If you are new to being a democratic member maybe its somethings that you don't know. We would much rather you get information to validate your point. If you criticize the President in any way it may get you told off. Because those of us that live through Reagan/Bush, Bush/Quayle, Bush/Cheney years are all Bushed the f--k out. Get It. We have suffered long enough. we found a President who wanted to take on this hot mess we call America and try and preserve it for our children for REAL!!!!!By putting Health Care Reform in place,Stimulus Funds (help for foreclosures,tax cuts for 95% of Americans,education),cap and trade,backed up with climate change and global warming issues,Financial Reform (Tarp-Bush/Cheney), these things need to be in place so that we can move forward as a country. And all these things are tied to employment and the economy which produces income.We still cool ????B-) B-) B-)
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American Minority Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:33 PM
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20. I posted a message
concerning our responsibility to someday repay the additional $9 trillion debt we will be accruing over the next ten years (as well as the huge existing debt from previous administrations). I have no problem approaching a discussion with facts and was looking forward to understanding your point of view. It's the censorship of my viewpoint that has me baffled - not very democratic I venture.

In addition to the first point, I would like to understand your (I use this in the plural sense to include other board members) justification for supporting income redistribution. Now before people go off on the words "income redistribution" let me explain that I am referring to a small number of Americans paying the majority of the cost of our government for the direct benefit to the majority. This is not a troll, I am interested in knowing your rational.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:37 PM
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26. Okay then lets look at some hard truths
First America became America on the backs of Native Americans,African abducted citizens,and asian relocation. Now that we got that out of the way. It was europeans and its descendent's who have benefited from this form of angry capitalism. Redistribution of wealth I think not. Because America can never pay for the Generations of damage that it has done to its people. this thing is not about redistribution of wealth its about righting some of the wrongs and injustices that have occurred due to greed. In order for any business big or small to survive it must do business. Whether its cleaning offices,advertising,selling automobiles. Someone must have the ability to purchase your product or services. American business are the ones who benefited from the work of its employees.Got its employees to invest in their own companies,open up company driven 401k,falsified earnings(Enron),grouped bad investments together and sold them as good and bet against them to fail (wall Street,Goldman Sachs,Lehman Bro.),and generally got rich on the Backs of hard working Americans while financially wiping them out.Not to mention the exporting of jobs to further their greed intake.Sending Domestic work out of the country into countries with low wage requirements ( All Big Three),and shipping it back to this country for resale. Well the dummies never figured on that once they took our jobs away there would not be anyone to purchase their goods.They took our money and decided that they wanted it all. They took our jobs and decided they wanted it all. They took our homes,cars,health care because they wanted it all. It is about color. Green. Americas people whether they are white,black,asian,latino,native american,it doesn't matter, they deserve a Government that makes sure the least can have some humane dignity as well as those who are well to do.We don't begrudge rich people, we just want them to remember how it is they got there. By us!!!!!!!!!
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American Minority Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 11:55 AM
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30. I agree with about 80 percent of what you say.
Let's get the disagreement part out of the way first. I'm sorry; I can't be responsible for things that happened way before I was born. I work hard just to support my own living family. I am far more interested in creating an America where my grandchildren can achieve and have a happy, successful life. Besides those wronged individuals are all long dead. As for existing generations, they all have the same opportunities I had to work my way through school start a career and be successful.

Now for the agreement part; I know that it's a mis-characterization to label all conservatives as uncaring for the plight of the HARD WORKING American. I strongly agree that we should strive to find some way to ensure that citizens who are willing to put in the effort are paid a decent wage that can support their families in a reasonable fashion. I think a hard working family of four earning $25,000 per year is a shame.

The problem lies in how we are attempting to raise the standard of living for the lower income population. There are no incentives in place to accomplish this. As a matter of fact, the system abounds in disincentives. Want more money from our government? Have more children. Don’t see to it that they shun crime and get a good education. They won’t seek a good job as adults so they too must have more children and live on the state. There are families that never consider work as a way of life for generations – it’s just not expected. Our government enables this kind of behavior.

On the other side of the equation an ever increasing progressive income tax dissuades some high income people from continuing to put in so much effort just to have it taken away. I personally have reduced my work and income by 75 percent last year – it’s just not worth it. Don’t forget, it’s mostly these people who are creating the jobs and opportunities for the rest.

So projecting these trends -- people who have figured out a way to live off the system having the highest birth rate and the people who are funding the government becoming more and more dissuaded from achieving; and the future does not look good. Huge deficit spending is not the answer. That tactic may get votes but does not bode well for the future.

I honestly don’t have all of the answers for how we can create the proper incentives. Tying education and job training to government handouts would be a good start. The government is the countries’ largest employer. Let’s spend this money to get people trained and working in these jobs. How about employing them in the badly needed rebuild of our nation’s infrastructure? You get a government contract; you are required to hire X percent from the government trained work pool.

Another solution I would support is to substantially increase the minimum wage to a livable level. This would incentivize people to work as opposed to taking a handout which is often larger than the existing minimum wage. The downside I see to this approach is that since the cost of most goods and services would go up to pay for this it could be considered a flat or even regressive tax. But at least the money would be going directly to the ones working for it and not to the government which is notoriously inefficient and liable to use it for political gains. The other problem is it would make us less competitive in the global labor market. If we could solve that problem, I would certainly support this move.

Sorry for the long winded response but I am enjoying this discussion and appreciate your input.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 01:33 PM
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34. Your arguement would make valid sense except for these points
No, you are not responsible for things that happened before you were born. But to act as if the contributing factor of denial for generations does not leave a bad taste in your community, is a bit niave. If you have been denied access to the most valuable things like food,clothing,shelter,education there is the potential to have a low wage workforce or people dependent on a system that has raised them and there children. Now with every republican government that was in office all of the necessary funding was cut. Who was most economically effected? Lower income and the poor and minorities.Now as far as women having children to stay on the system were did you get that sterotype from? I have lived and worked all my life and never made a hundred thousand dollars a year. Not because I am uneducated but because the job I do someone with courage,patience and integrity should. That is me. See most people forget about the jobs that other people have. Don't you get it the 95%? We make up the bulk of the work force. You see we are the police,fire,teachers,city garbage collectors,park matainence workers,janitors in your offfice buildings schools gyms,the servers at your favorite dining establishment(mikey D's or tavern on the green),newspaper delivery vendors,truck drivers,cab drivers,hotel maids,city bus drivers,school bus drivers,tree trimmers,customer service rep,cashiers,etc.We are supposed to be ever so grateful for what? The mis conception that they control things. They are only in the top five percent. We are the direct market of every thing that is done in America. We are the ones who purchase the goods.And I might add that some of the jobs I mentioned people are raising children and extended familiy members on far less than 25,000 dollars a year.Are you saying that these people don't deserve fair share equity in a Democracy?
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American Minority Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 04:40 PM
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38. Please understand
I am not defending the previous Republican administration whatsoever. I agree that all Americans should be given every opportunity to work hard, be successful and earn a respectable income. I just don't think the way money is currently being thrown at the problem is an effective solution to permanently solving the problem.

Lunitica:
Ninety-five percent of the income pays 95 percent of the taxes? You do understand, don't you, that that would be a flat tax? I don't advocate even going that far. You must understand that the top income earners pay far more in income taxes than just the percent that their income represents. It's called a progressive tax and the higher the income, the higher PERCENTAGE is paid to the government. In America it's a highly progressive tax system and it will become worse.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 05:24 PM
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39. Not so
Now you are trying to say that the country will stay the same. No, with the changes that are being made will increase are income and bring in a deficit reduction. See the problem is the disparity in the tax set up anyway it is a myth that top five percent control all the jobs. It has also long known that a secretary making 18k will give up more of her wages in taxes than someone who earns that hundred thousand dollars. Their standard of living is different. Its like the public schools. Go to the public school in the poorest neighborhood in your community. Then go across to the more affluent side of town, and check out their public school. Any difference? Now you say yes there is a difference. Most of us know that but there should be no difference public school should be public school no matter where its located. Get it? You see you are trying to validate the fact the deficit needs to be under control and that people who are at the top have some given right to retain more of their money while suck those who are less fortunate dry. What I am trying to get you to understand is the dynamics when you have more people working and insured its healthier for the nation as a whole because the average wealthy person loses more money in loss productivity and health care cost.The problem is collectively we have more buying power and spending power by being in the majority instead of the minority.And right now the top five percent must also bear some of the responsibility for the mis managements in Government and its regulations because they have benefited the most. And if you are making the kind of money that they are I can understand your reluctance. I might not agree with it but I understand it. No one wants to be poor everybody wanna be rich.
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American Minority Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:52 AM
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40. And...
Lower income pays more of their wages in taxes than higher income? Sorry, I don’t understand how that could be true. Looking first at federal income tax, that secretary would pay zero tax; he or she would even be paid some money. High incomes pay up to 39 percent now and that will be sharply increasing in the near future. Now looking at all of the other forms of taxes our government imposes on us, we have sales tax, state income tax, property tax, road tax, registration tax, fuel tax, luxury tax, taxes on profits from investments … It goes on and on. Several states now have top total taxes rates around 70 percent. I sometimes that many people don’t stop to think about that – up to 70 cents of every dollar earned is taken away by our government! The only way around paying more taxes on the money the government does not initially take is to just keep it as cash and don’t spend or invest it. People don’t do that.

Rather than discussing on who pays more to the government the focus should be on how much we pay in total. The government likes to see us arguing about who is paying more – that keeps us from concentrating on the spending part of the deficit equation. Any citizen who is in debt can either earn more or spend less. It never ceases to amaze me who the government does not even CONSIDER the spending side of the equation. They act like increased spending is just a given and the only way to reduce the deficit is to tax more. The government simple takes too much of our money. They are ever expanding. They are woefully inefficient; you just don’t worry about efficiency when you are spending someone else’s money. Their power emanates from the money they control.
What massive entitlement program in history has ever saved money? The previous two, social security and Medicare, are a huge part of our deficit spending and are still about to go broke. They are simply unsustainable just as the health care program will be.

I think the road to improvement in America is to ensure that everyone has the same opportunity to get an education and be successful. If people don’t take advantage of these opportunities we must look into the reason why. Entitlement spending is not the answer. Don’t forget that I said that I am a proponent of a much higher minimum wage. I don’t think that we as a society can do any more than to provide equal opportunity and a livable wage for hard work.

My father was an electrician, my mother a housewife. There were three boys in our family. There was no money in our family for college. The only help I received from them was a good work ethic and being instilled with the idea that a good education is fundamental. I obtained loans, competed for and won scholarships and worked my way through undergrad and grad school. Money was not spent on fancy clothes, expensive electronics, new cars, entertainment, eating out, etc. All money went to my education. Every single citizen of this country has the EXACT SAME opportunity. I'm going to repeat that because it is my main point: every single citizen of this country has the EXACT SAME opportunity. It is not a matter of someone being more fortunate than others. All that is necessary is dedication and perseverance. If there is a way to force others to take advantage of an opportunity I’m not aware of it. To not put in that kind of effort and just expect to share in someone else’s accomplishments is unfathomable to me. Every single parent needs to take some personal responsibility and see to it that their children understand the need for a good education and work with them daily it achieve it.

I think this will be my last post for awhile. I’m going to give you the last word and will check back for any thoughts you may care to post. I sincerely thank you for the time you spent in this discussion. Bye.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:18 AM
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42. Everyone has the exact same opportunity no they don't
First you had your father and mother and siblings in the same home. This is not the same scenario in all households.You say there was no money for college. You forget that there are households with no money for food. Hell there are homeless people who were once like yourself who have gotten educated and had good jobs,investments doing well,couple dollars in savings, and did not frequent the fashion boutiques or broadway. What I am trying to get you to understand is what would you do if you lost your job and the job you were trained for was phased out.Then you lost your savings due to the corruption of wall street. Then lost your health care with your job. Then your home.and your car. Then found that a corrupt government and big corp have taken advantage of your trust and loyalty to your country and wiped it clean of twenty four percent of its wealth. They have benefited and taken the money and acted as if it didn't really happen. See opportunity should be the same. And this is where I am trying to get you to understand that your opportunity at the time you took it to be educated use of hard work ethic, and conserving your spending is an opportunity you are lucky to have gotten.But no matter what you think you are more fortunate than some.And yet you argue the point of the less fortunate having the ability to cause your money somehow to be eaten by the Government. That increasing the size of Government is what is cutting in to your hard earned money. I think maybe you need some links to help you understand that this is not an increase in Government this is really an increase in legislation to protect more of your hard earned dollar so that you will always have opportunity and so will others. And you don't have to be angry and not post that is why its here. You have one point of view. Its a point of view I understand. I don't necessarily agree with it but I understand it. But when you use yourself as the example of what hard work will do,know that we are trying to enact legislation so you and your earnings are protected better.
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American Minority Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:01 AM
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45. I guess my wife is right.
Looks like I just can’t shut up! After reading your response I felt I needed to reply because you are now getting to the crux of the problem.

YOU need to understand that everyone does indeed have all the same opportunities. They have the opportunity to not have kids out of wedlock. They have the opportunity to keep the family together and provide a stable home life. They have the opportunity to see to it that their children go to school every day and study hard and achieve. They have the opportunity to discourage their children from the influences drugs, gangster rap music and gangs. They have the opportunity to insure that they grow up as law-abiding citizens and stay out of prisons. This is a self generated problem and throwing money at it in the current fashion is not going to solve the problem. IT IS NOT WORKING! The solution must come from within. If this type of spending would help the problem would have been gone a long time ago.

Sometimes people need to take a little self responsibility and quit looking for outside people/events/circumstances to blame. (Bill Cosby has the right idea.) The victim mentality is not going to stop the cycle of government dependency. Look at other parts of the world where people are indeed suppressed. They would love to have the opportunities available to ALL Americans.

Looking at this problem and just throwing other peoples money at it as is currently being done just so you can feel better is counterproductive and does nothing to solve it; it simply enables this lifestyle.

So, opportunities -- yes indeed; everyone taking advantage of them -- not so much.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:19 AM
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47. Tell Your wife its okay
The only way people are to understand one another is through healthy dialog. This has not been a demeaning conversation,just a long one. Okay you say we are getting to the crux of the problem. first you compare your opportunity and advantage to others. There is a saying that if you can do it so can anyone. Now when a person achieves success, it is a gratifying feeling. The sense of accomplishment, the pride, and the self-determination that gets you to that point makes everything you did worth the hard work. Am I reading you right? See I too know that feeling. What I am wondering is if you are objecting to the Government helping people who may not make as much as you to restart their lives. And that people who make a certain income level are not entitled to certain i don't know lets call them "privileges" as people who make more. See I am not getting it. Because there are people now who were once well to do whom that isn't the case now. They have been financially ruined.I mean are fucking homeless in no time at all. See there is a such thing as opportunity and an opportunist.Some people have the advantage to take advantage of the opportunity which makes them the opportunist. But when you are born without any opportunities then how do you take advantage? There are now places in the United States that are now tent cities.And what do you do when your city is wiped out by a hurricane, and opportunity has floated out to sea? See its easy to say when you are not in the position of others or living their circumstances. Yes every one must make a concerted effort to help themselves but without some Government intervention it would be hard to have opportunity.Like why is it that you can go to school to get a good education with a college degree and before you ever work a day you already owe eighty thousand dollars. Is that opportunity or being the opportunist. And since you have been blessed with a lifestyle that you are trying to maintain wouldn't you want the people who were just like you to regain their footing? What if it happens to you what would you really do? You act as if you are stuck in stereotype and myth rhetoric about people who have less than you. Do you have friends who don't make the kind of money that you do? I mean real friends, not your barber,or the school bus driver who picks up your kids,because we see what you think about what it is they do. And you mentioned Dr. Cosby. But I think you missed part of his point. Yes we do have a responsibility to be self motivated in areas of our life,but where there are some who have strength to make it we must not forget about those who need vitamins to gain strength. There are people who get put in positions that have nothing to do with the myths that you speak.See there are single mothers who are single mothers not by choice.My Sister was a widow at twenty eight. She had two kids.The death of her husband made her a single mother.Thats one of the myths that you need to understand is not true. And it gives the impression that you really believe this.I have two grandchildren who go to school and their mother and father are married.Another myth.And trust me in our community they already know about gangs,and drug avoidance,and being law abiding citizens they see what unequal justice system will do to you if you cross them. And I bet you believe there are only real criminals in prisons they would never hold an innocent individual. myth. Now about this throwing money on the problem. The problem has not been throwing money at it it has that money under republican administrations has been taken away from it. With more people in the country this can be googled,opensecrets.com.crooks and liars, hell any reputable website can show you these facts.When the term big Government came into play during the beloved Reagan administration,the country only had around 200 million people. Now the country has over 300 million people in it. Now you seem to be the math whiz here how do you take care of the added burden on less. Most people really do believe what they hear and see in bias opinion statistics and polls which are rigged in every way. Listen we just found out that you can't even believe the prestigious Nielson ratings.They have been corrupted. I think you need to get out a little more life is passing you by. And you should fact check never take repetitive tag lines as fact. A lot of what you are basing your knowledge on is what you encountered in your life not the life of others.And America is a great country,but it should always strive to do better for herself and her people.Say hello to the wifey and let her know it cool I am slow to anger today(smile)B-) B-) B-)
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 03:21 PM
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36.  People not as simple as you are trying to portray them
you want to label people as living off the dole. Some of these same people have contributed to the economy just as well as you. Why do you get so upset about Americans using their own money to take care of themselves. Have you complained over the years when Bush REDISTRIBUTED our WEALTH to other countries to build things up to blow them up again.


Did you complain when the 9 billion went missing in Iraq or did you go over there and get some yourself. Did you care when the wealth was REDISTRIBUTED TO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS. Why is it when Americans need THEIR MONEY to help themselves you RepubliCONS pitch a damn fit.. Since you don't want Americans in need to be helped by as you say REDISTRIBUTIING THE WEALTH.

Don't complain when crime goes up because if you think people are going to sit there and watch their kids go hungry when they are trying to get a job and can't get unemployment then shut up when you see the consequences. Are you one of these people who suddenly have just awaken since Obama became President and called us conspiracy theorists when we were calling the alert about what was going on for eight yrs. Remember this...

We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, Now you get mad!

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and
appointed a President..

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got ousted.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to
us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said
illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq .

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 12:13 PM
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31. When your small minority has 95% of the money in income
Then they should pay 95% of the taxes. What's so unfair about that?
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:24 AM
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14. What you are doing is assuming that $9 trillion will not be pure...
"debt". If there is no federal income, that would be the case. As the economy gets better, (and it will), the Treasury will begin to "fill" again. Just cranking down the wars we are in, taking some of the military stuff off of the table because it either doesn't work or is of poor design and over priced, would go to great lengths in balancing things out.

Going after Fraud, Waste ans Abuse wold save at least a trillion, and closing corporate loopholes would save untold hundreds of billions.

Those tat are in the Middle and Lower Calls spend their money; those of incredible wealth invest. If there is no one to buy, the economy collapses...that is why the wealthy "investors" are all smoke and mirrors, they hoard assets, because those who purchase, do not have the money to buy, so investment is in intangibles and currency markets.

Once the two are in relative harmony, everyone benefits, to include the government.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:05 PM
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17. Thanks FrenchieCat. I needed this, after seeing the local headline
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 03:08 PM by BlancheSplanchnik
that shows up on Yahoo, some crap about what the teabaggers are yowling about, whatever it is.....or Yahoo's other recent headline screaming something about Obama's taxcuts too confusing...or some such shit.

makes me sick how the liebags and reichwingers get all the media attention.

Well, that will change, somehow, someway.... it will.

The media's reps won't apologize to us (as the Prez did to Janice Langbehn), because they're lowlife scum, but we'll know that we've known the truth about them for years now.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:16 PM
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18. a hurt dog barks and that gets attention. it's just that simple
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:14 PM
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21. done!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:14 PM
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22. done k & r
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 07:06 AM
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23. "Blue Collar is the True Collar!"
On "9/11", when all the CEO's, investment bankers, and corporate lawyers ran from the Twin Towers, members of FDNY, NYPD, and Iron Workers Local 134 ran towards them to search for survivors.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:16 AM
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24. Done! n/t
:kick:
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:59 PM
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27. Thanks - and done!
The 95 Percenters and the Coffee Party are great ideas.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:20 PM
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28. Done!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 03:01 PM
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29. I joined too..now I need to donate! n/t
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 12:16 PM
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32. 95 percenter reporting for duty
:toast:
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 12:56 PM
Original message
Sorry Frenchie. I read some posts on that site and "theys"
some dumb mothers on that board!! LOL!!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 12:56 PM
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33. Dupe.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 12:57 PM by Fire1
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 02:00 PM
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35. I've registerd a domain, and have a new website...just need help in designing


my page, for starters. But it's called www.republicanlieoftheday.com

I, too, am raring to be very ACTIVE these next six months!!!!


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 10:53 AM
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41. Sounds kewl!
I'll check it out.

But shouldn't that be Lies....plural? :shrug:
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MkapX Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 04:00 PM
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37. less then 1%
And really we are the 95%. A lot of the tea baggers were inspired by Ron Paul and person who couldn't even get 1% during a primaries against Bush cronie republicans. Now the tea party is just like that but spread out even more
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Obamacare Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:58 AM
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43. Just joined the facebook page
I wonder why no one thought of this earlier, say 09? Anywho, I'm glad to see a grassroots movement in support of the president. We need to raise money and keep this movement growing. We need to show America and the media that there are millions who still support the president, but the media loves controversy and anything anti-Obama, so I don't know if they will even discuss or show theother95%. Regardless, if the media cover us or not, I just want to be involved any way I can!!
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:22 AM
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44. I want to join, but can't
Sadly, I will not be in the Other 95% because of the shitty decision to cut Flexible Spending Accounts in the health bill (and I make mid 5 figures). The cost of this will be more than the Making Work Pay Credit I received.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:10 PM
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46. Kick &Recommended!!!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:28 PM
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48. Kick &Recommended!
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