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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:59 AM
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"Tea Party activists have no idea what they're talking about. "
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 08:10 AM by babylonsister
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023348.php#more

A CONFUSED GROUP OF MISLED PEOPLE.... A new New York Times/CBS News poll was released last night, taking a closer look at those who identify with the so-called Tea Party "movement." The results confirm much of what we already know -- this is a confused contingent of conservative white people older than 45 -- but there were a few interesting tidbits.

Tea Partiers are obviously not part of the American mainstream. Its activists are to the right of the Republican Party, they have favorable opinions of George W. Bush, and rely heavily on Fox News. They don't like health care reform, worry about government spending, and think the government does too much to address the problems of the African-American community.

For all the recent talk about Dems and independents connecting with the right-wing movement, Tea Partiers "usually or almost always vote Republican." And for all the hullabaloo about the groups' rallies, only 4% of the general public has "given money or attended a Tea Party event, or both."

But the kicker is the predictable limits of the extreme ideology.

{I}n follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security -- the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on "waste."

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

"That's a conundrum, isn't it?" asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. "I don't know what to say. Maybe I don't want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security." She added, "I didn't look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I've changed my mind.
"

:crazy:

The point, of course, is not to pick on one confused person who sounded foolish when put on the spot. The point is Jodine White of Rocklin, Calif., is fairly representative of the larger movement.

If you were to make a Venn Diagram of the issues Tea Party members care about, and the issues Tea Party members are confused about, you'd only see one circle.

These folks claim to be motivated by concerns over taxes, but Tea Partiers tend not to know anything about the subject. They claim to be angry about the Affordable Care Act, but they don't know what's in it. They claim to hate expensive government programs, except for all the expensive government programs that benefit them and their families.

It's inherently challenging to create a lasting, successful political movement predicated on literally nothing more than ignorance and rage.
In the case of Tea Partiers, we're talking about a reasonably large group of people who seem to revel in their own ignorance, but nevertheless seek an active role in the process.

Following up on an item from a few weeks ago, this is important to the extent that there are still some who believe the political mainstream should do more to listen to the Tea Party crowd and take its hysterical cries seriously. But how can credible people take nonsense seriously and hope to come up with a meaningful result? How can policymakers actually address substantive challenges while following the advice of angry mobs who reject reason and evidence?

The bottom line seem inescapable: Tea Party activists have no idea what they're talking about. Their sincerity notwithstanding, this is a confused group of misled people.


—Steve Benen
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:08 AM
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1. K&R. A "political movement predicated on literally nothing more than ignorance and rage"
I guess their true name should be: The Fox News Party.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:28 AM
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2. My favorite line is this, as I believe it sums up most TBers to a "tea"



"They claim to hate expensive government programs, except for all the expensive government programs that benefit them and their families."

I don't care what title they gather under, be it Republican or Tea Party, it's still all about "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME"
As a public school administrator and teacher for 27 years, I can tell you, that ego-centric business usually drops away by second grade...meaning these folks do not have the intellectual or emotional intelligence of a third grader...
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:05 PM
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24. Sums up all conservatives, if you ask me
They're all sociopaths.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:38 PM
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46. It certainly explains the way they act - especially on msg boards LOL n/t
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:46 AM
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82. That's a Conservative in a nutshell
They are totally against something, unless it directly benefits them and theirs.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:32 AM
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3. The ones I talked to don't know what Derivatives are and had NO idea how big the Wall Street crisis
last year was.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:37 AM
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4. I've found the same thing ... they think (have been told) ....
that it was all of the "loans to poor black people", via Fanny and Freddie, that caused the whole thing.

They have no idea who Phil Gramm is or what his role was.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:14 PM
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21. That's precisely what they "think" and just everything about their political perspective boils down
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 01:19 PM by patrice
to "Someone is going to get Something that s/he doesn't deserve and that something is MINE and it will come out of my pocket."

e.g. Against HCR, but supporting Social Security & Medicare = Socialism for ME but NOT for those Others who don't deserve it.

I wouldn't mind taking this argument on, on just it's practical/economic merits, if these "Christians" would first express some understanding of their own contradictions by recognizing empirically what Blasphemy is. HOW do we discuss these issues without beginning with some definition of values?????

And it isn't that contradiction in itself is so bad, it's that "Absolutists" parading around and shoving their absolute principles in everyone's faces (usually for some form of economic gain) and, then, behaving like Relativists in all things are just too mixed-up and confused to work with.

At least most Democrats, as Relativists, BEGIN with the principle that that which makes something okay/practical/right/useful INHERS in the conditions of a situation itself, so the task is to discover that stuff empirically and go from there. With Republicans you begin with absolute abstractions, the Ends, and devise whatever mean$$$$$$ you can to get there and if that includes a bunch of falsehood and the suffering and even death of OTHERS, well then, so be it, but if it involves any skin off of MY nose, well then, I'm going to throw an absolute fucking fit and maybe even hurt someone to get my way.

It's logically impossible to claim a right to anything and not yeild that same right to ANYONE else.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:16 PM
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63. "Someone is going to get Something that s/he doesn't deserve..."
And

that someone is not white.


Racism straight up.


Even if they think they aren't racists or have acted racist before.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:41 AM
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72. Bingo! The imagery is straight from Reagan's "welfare queen" nonsense
The underlying assumption is that there's some vast horde of freeloaders, people who do nothing but expect to live -- and live well -- on the public dole. And let them go on at length and it becomes pretty clear who they're talking about. They'll acknowledge that there are white freeloaders and hard-working blacks and hispanics, so to their minds they aren't racist, but there is an unmistakable racial line dividing those in the "vast horde" from "hardworking real Americans".
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:23 PM
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45. Folks, it's up to us to educate these people.
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 07:23 PM by louis-t
They are not all stupid. However, I have a chance to shut the teabaggers in my office up but good. I had to listen to them this morning claiming "you will be put in jail if you don't buy insurance". "It's IN THERE!" I am working on finding the mandate part of the bill to show them. I know KO or Rachel shot this down the other night, but they won't listen to that.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:54 AM
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5. K/R
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 09:07 AM by moondust
Seriously misled but critical thinking might have saved them.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:14 AM
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6. But critical thinking
Actually requires a person to do research on a topic.

These people just listen to Palin, Beck, and the rest of the Pied Pipers!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:22 PM
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65. But critical thinking Actually requires a person to do research on a topic.
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 10:25 PM by AlbertCat
I know what you mean.... but this is not exactly true.

What critical thinking REQUIRES is ignoring, or at least analyzing your emotional responses. It requires SKEPTICISM. It requires INTROSPECTION. These things naturally lead to investigation and research so you can use your mind and actually THINK instead of just react.

Fear can shut this process down since at the very least we have over 64 million years of evolved fight or flight instincts. That's why these things are always paranoid, frantic and full of fear.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:26 AM
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7. They're worked up because their leaders convince them they ought to be.
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 09:27 AM by TwilightGardener
They are ignorant, but very suspicious that someone, somewhere, is screwing them. Must be that Obama fellow and Democrats.
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:33 AM
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8. The part that really fries ME
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 09:33 AM by cilla4progress
is that their duly-elected leaders are right there with them in their ignorance and pandering: McConnell, Boehner, Pence, etc. I mean, come on: are they all really that stupid, or just evil, greedy, and Machiavellian?
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:19 AM
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11. Evil, greedy and Machiavellian.
They don't care why the nut-jobs will vote for Republicans. Do the raging loonies want an escalator to the moon? Or the issuance of hand-guns to kindergartners? Or animal sacrifices?

Whatever. The Boehners and McConnells will endorse it 2 minutes later.

Just get the votes! Then immediately return to instituting every whim of the elite few.

Professor Moriarty couldn't do it better!
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:02 PM
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13. hotDAMN you are so right on!
I hate to admit to such cynicism, but walks like a duck, talks like a duck..must be one.

I do need a tutorial on Prof. Moriarity, please.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:05 PM
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52. Sherlock Holmes arch nemesis
in many of the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle stories.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:23 PM
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66. He knew the value of stirring up large groups....
..., of gullible people to provide cover for his real plans.
See: The Red-headed League
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:06 PM
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53. I vote for evil, greedy, and Machiavellian. No contest.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:38 AM
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9. Those entitlements they rail against are those deserved benefits!
Oh my, HEADS EXPLODE.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:54 AM
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10. Same crap, different century
The Clinton haters in the 90s were fueled by the same ignorance and rage. This foolishness is the baseline behavior of Republicans when the Democrats hold the white house.
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:11 PM
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43. I love Steph.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:44 AM
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80. they are the progeny of the know-nothings from the mid-19th century
Hell, they are the descendants of those who tried to stay totally out of the revolution.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:28 AM
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12. kick and rec n/t
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:31 PM
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14. Scrambled brains because they listen to Faux Noise...
poor bastards.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:36 PM
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15. Those leading them around by the
nose dare not give them the facts or they wouldn't be out there with their misspelled signs hatin' on Pres Obama.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:42 PM
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16. They want what they have, just not for anyone else that does not agree with their idealogy.
They are one stupid bunch of idiots as well. "I didn't look at it from the perspective of losing things I need." No shit Sherlock. Of course that is what very right wing Rethugs want to eventually do to you. Take it all away and give it to some big corporations. She is just realizing this...now?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:48 PM
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17. The Bigger Problem Is The Non-Fox News Media That Never Challenges Them
They never ask them what specifically they want cut. They never tell them that SS and Medicare are the two largest federal expenditures. IOW, they pander to them in the hopes that they can grab some of Fox News' ratings.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:49 PM
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18. How many people know what a Venn diagram is?
I mean, I agree with Mr. Benen's point here, wholeheartedly, but c'mon. Couch the message in a way people can relate.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:17 PM
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58. a diagram that uses circles to represent mathematical or logical sets pictorially inside a rectangle
(the universal set); elements that are common to more than one set are represented by intersections of the circles)

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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:28 PM
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67. How many people know what a Venn diagram is?
Anyone who passed the 4th grade?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:40 AM
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76. Everyone who managed to get through High School while awake?
They at least *knew* what a venn diagram was at one point. Ironic that in an OP about Teh Ragin Stupid, you should demand we dumb it down.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:55 PM
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19. Interesting that 62% of Tea Party folk think Social Security, Medicare are worth cost to taxpayers
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 12:58 PM
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20. One the radio said "we're just like the real Boston tea partiers."
"We believe in small government and personal responsibility."

That's right, the people who committed wanton vandalism while disguised as Native Americans were paragons of personal responsibility.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:25 PM
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22. They were protesting special tax cuts that undercut their small teashop businesses.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 01:53 PM
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23. I don't think the modern tea baggers understand the irony of naming themselves after a movement
which was both nonsensical and counter productive when it originally happened. And it seems to be equally nonsensical and counter productive as it is today.

One of the main supporters of the Tea Act which the tea parties were protesting against, was a certain Benjamin Franklin. And one must note that it was not the tea party which sparkled the revolution, but the fact that the British expected those responsible to pay for the destroyed property.

In the end, just like every major event in our country's history it was all about commercial interests and taxes. It is funny to see how historical evens are re-spun in order to fit a very idealistic narrative, because ironically greed does not quite sell as an historical reason for indoctrination.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:32 AM
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75. I agree with you in some respects.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 06:33 AM by fasttense
But if you read the papers from the last living survivor of the Boston Tea Party, David Kinnison, he makes it clear that the Boston Tea Party was a revolt against a corporation - the East India Tea Company. The tea company had gotten a monopoly from the British crown and many people were buying their tea from small vendors who frequently smuggled in the tea both in Britain and America. But then by lobbying the crown, the East India Tea Company was given a tax exemption, making their tea sometimes cheaper than even the smuggled tea. (By the way, the East India Tea Company was mostly owned by the royal families and lords.)

Basically the monopoly was forcing people to buy from them and when people couldn't afford their prices and bought their tea from the black market, the East India Tea Company got a tax exemption to lower their prices. Putting all the small tea dealers out of business.

It was taxation without representation but even with representation, the East India Company would have gotten their tax exemption.

So really the revolution started because a corporation decided to enforce their monopoly through lobbying for unfair regulations. Does this sound familiar?
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:13 PM
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25. So what else is new?
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:17 PM
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26. It's like the blind leading the blind.
But the sad thing about this entire sordid affair is the fact that the media is in love with these racist seditionists. Anything that comes out of their mouth, one of Murdoch's foot soldiers lap it up like its manna from the gods.

What's angering about this is that their racism is so out there, but hardly anyone in the press "sees" it. And when they do, some ignorant fool from the Teabaggers sports a Cheshire cat grin and lies through their teeth.

Then they claim through a "holier than thou" tone of voice that they aren't racist and if anyone calls them on it, they're "playing the race card" (which is pretty much the schtick Beck and Rush use whenever animus against folks of color flies over the air waves).

It is the attention paid to these nuts that put the fear of God into a lot folks that our country is turning into an idiocracy.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:02 PM
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62. Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner!
Racism is EXACTLY what the tea parties are all about.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:30 PM
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27. What they want is to cut all benefits for everyone but them
They don't want anyone but themselves to get Social Security, Medicare, and government services.

TWISTED!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:59 PM
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28. For a fringe movement, they get a ton of media coverage
They had a recent rally in Hartford, CT. The news of the upcoming rally made local news radio almost hourly for 2-3 days before the event. It was front page in the Hartford Courant for 3 days beforehand.

Two dozen people showed up for the rally.

24 people.

To put that in perspective, a high school soccer game has 24 on the field to start a game - 22 players and 2 officials.

In my daughter's elementary school, there are 30 girls in Brownies in the second grade.

Why does the media keep covering them?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:26 PM
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30. That sounds like the basis of a good letter to the editor.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:26 PM
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31. Because they provide great fodder for the "circus" part of the "bread and circus" theater the media
in this country has devolved down to.

It is scary how many parallels exist between our society today, and Rome after their Pax Romana started to go downhill. Credit crises and runaway military spending included.

Also, the tea baggers is the gift that keeps on giving for both the GOP and the DLC: Republicans use these fringe useful idiots as the "victims" of the baaaaad democrats and thus they get to energize their dumbass base. And the DLC et al get to group anyone on the left who criticizes their neo-liberal crap as being in cahoots with the "tea baggers." (regardless of the obvious mind blowing differences in both context and ideological content).

Win win as far as the establishment is concerned. At some point though, some of the useful idiots may start to believe their own rhetoric and maybe the monster these assholes created may get out of hand. But I am sure, they will be neutralized the minute the tea baggers present an actual problem for those really controlling the whole show.

This is nothing new, it is a fairly creative approach to the old "divide and conquer" crap.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:26 PM
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35. Nice to know you live in an area where only that many showed up.
I'll find out tonight in my town but I'm afraid many will show up!
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 10:21 PM
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64. Because the real owners of the country support their agenda
Corporations support Republican policies. They want lower taxes, lower wages, fewer regulations, less oversight. They don't need governmental services like education, health care, social security. The tea partiers need all those things and won't benefit from Republican policies but they are so blinded by their own prejudices that they don't act in their own interests. The media, owned by big corporations, want the Republicans in power and therefore they make a big deal (or, as Joe Biden says, a BFD)of a small protest to make it look like this is the will of the people.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:07 PM
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29. Key word is "misled"-they are TOOLS of the RW media and those who want
to make political points against the Democrats/Obama presidency without appearing to be involved. They are being manipulated by the extreme right and the RW rich.
Some of them are genuine racists and extremists - many are just easily led.

mark
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 03:37 PM
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32. Sort of like a modern "Know Nothing" party... nt
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:14 PM
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33. "this is a confused group of misled people."
Much like the children's crusade. At the end no child made it anywhere near their goal. Most died along the way and the rest were preyed upon and/or sold into slavery.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:21 PM
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34. Just more proof that this "movenment"
is nothing more than old dumb white people.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:39 PM
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36. My mom and her boyfriend are teabaggers and there is nothing
I can say to change their view. She went on and on today about Fox News being the best news. When I tried to tell her it was fear based nonsense she informed me it was the most watched news channel (somehow making it real news!). She also went on to say "what Obama has done to our country and that we are turning into communist country and you know of course he is muslim (and is trying to turn our country into one of those). He will take us all down with him...". We (her "Kid" and only grandchildren) recently drove on an over 3,000 road trip to see her and we met her at IHOP for 2 hours (after not seeing her for 6 years) because she doesn't entertain anymore and she needs to protect her privacy(we are not allowed at her house anymore). She is totally paranoid. She is sure we gave her a cold even though none of us had a cold during the 2 hour visit. She has never worked and spends all her time on the computer or watching fox news...what a waste of time. It is really sad. These are the type of people who are listening to Glenn Beck and believing in the Tea Partiy movement. There's no reality to their thinking. She also says we'll see soon when the govenment gets taken back over. :hide:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:46 PM
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47. Have you told her yet that Faux News is owned by a foreigner (a royalist from
Great Britain, Rupert Murdoch) and one of his main partners is a Saudi prince. Maybe it would help if she knew this.

Can you say "Torries getting even with American commoners for a revolution against their king" by brainwashing them against their own self-interests. . . . ?
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Ebadlun Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:08 PM
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54. Oi, Murdoch is Australian!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:58 AM
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70. Ooopps!
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 01:58 AM by patrice
:blush:
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:52 AM
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85. Who owns MSNBC and CNN? She astually watches CNN sometimes too
but she must watch the reporters I don't watch. She doesn't even know and refuses to watch Rachel Maddow even though I tell her I watch Fox with my teenagers sometimes to see how crazy they are. She won't even listen to the other side. She is so paranoid...she just keeps telling me "you'll see". But she also said that there would never be a black president during the election.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:10 PM
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55. How does she pay her living expenses? Just curious. Any govt "support"?
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:47 AM
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84. Living off an inheritance left by her father which is dwindling fast.
She also missed the boat on medicare...married 3 times but never for 8 years which is the requirment in CA to get part of someones medicare benifits. She pays for catastrophic insurance and takes advantage of the discount clinics that come up yearly.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 04:44 PM
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37. The Tea Party
is so astro turf. they are being played like a harmonica.Everybody associated with the tea Party except its grassroots members are making money.All the way down to those flag shirts.They (the repugs) have found a way to tap into the lack of knowledge folk and get paid roayally. If they ever wake up. I wonder what will happen.You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 05:31 PM
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38. kick and rec. n/t
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 05:44 PM
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39. "I think I've changed my mind."
sweet music to my ears, even if only one person. Sadly, she'll probably change it again when she gets back under the spell of Glenn Beck and co.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:13 PM
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56. Reminds me of one of the best bits from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
Bedevere: How do you know she is a witch?
Peasant: She looks like one.
-Crowd indistinctly shouts-
Bedevere: Bring her forward!
Girl: I'm not a witch.
Bedevere: But you are dressed as one...
Girl: They dressed me up like this.
Girl: And this isn't my nose. This is a false one.
Bedevere: Well?
Peasant: Well, we did do the nose.
Bedevere: The nose?
Peasant: And the hat. She's a witch!
Peasant Crowd: Burn her!
Bedevere: Did you dress her up like this?
Peasant Crowd: No, no, no! Yes, yes. A bit. But she's got a wart.
Bedevere: Why do you think that she is a witch?
Peasant: Well, she turned me into a newt.

Bedevere: A newt?
-Silence-
Peasant: Well, I got better.

Peasant Crowd: Burn her anyway!
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 05:57 PM
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40. "Misled"?
Or very skilfully led (from behind the scenes)?
We really do not know if they are competently led, or not, until the next set of elections. Perhaps they serve a very specific and skilfully designed and played purpose- 'look at THIS hand not the other one.
While the left focuses on the colourful train wreck that is Palin and the tea party stage right, what are the boring guys in suits doing stage left?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 06:00 PM
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41. They never should have come to the 'smart' coast where we could take a good look at them
:crazy: is all we saw (not that we didn't already know this.)
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 06:24 PM
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42. A big k/r
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:19 PM
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44. The one element I find truly puzzling is the "better educated" part. How could that be?
Virtually everything else, even including the income levels, denial of global warming, racism, all this makes perfect sense to me until they say better educated than average.

Something doesn't add up.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:59 PM
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49. It has to do with political efficacy
In order to protest, you have to be in a position to think you will be listened to. Better educated folks are more likely to believe this, whether it's because they have taken more civics classes or whatever, the cause, it's empirically true of EVERY political movement. Less well-educated folks are not only less likely to show up or give money, they are also less likely to identify with ANY political movement whatsoever. The real control group here would not be the general population, but some other political movement.

Also, remember every local Republican political activist or professional politician or staffer is going to report that they are part of this movement. What was the educational attainment of the Brooks Brothers rioters? I'd guess it was quite high.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:14 PM
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57. Guess they were using repuke standards of education.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:36 PM
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61. It means they presumably received a good education at some time in their past. It doesn't
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 09:36 PM by gkhouston
mean they're getting good information now. (Or looking for good information, either -- don't forget the "angry older white male" factor.)
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 07:53 PM
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48. One great line:
"If you were to make a Venn Diagram of the issues Tea Party members care about, and the issues Tea Party members are confused about, you'd only see one circle."

Loved that bit.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:02 PM
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68. lol
nice
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 08:22 PM
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50. These clowns are ignorant.
I believe the root for the word ignorant is to ignore the facts or truth. What these idiots will not admit is that they were stirred up by Faux News (NOT) and believe all the bu$hit put out by those propagandists.

I'd tell them to get armed, join the militia and attack the federal government........... wait a minute......... the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and the militias is the President of the US. According to the Constitution. That piece of paper they are so eager to defend.

These folks are completely out of touch. They have no idea that they are not in the mainstream of the voters ideas nor do they represent anything valid.

As far as I can tell, they are white conservanazis that got their racism bug stirred up and hate Obama and everything that he does. Some are so stupid as to believe that Obama TOOK OVER the government. TOOK OVER THE GOVERNMENT. Lots of dim bulbs in that bunch.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:00 PM
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51. Nooooooooooooooo. Their NOT racists.....
Edited on Thu Apr-15-10 09:03 PM by BrklynLiberal
"and think the government does too much to address the problems of the African-American community."


There is absolutely nothing more that has to be said after this:

But how can credible people take nonsense seriously and hope to come up with a meaningful result? How can policymakers actually address substantive challenges while following the advice of angry mobs who reject reason and evidence?

The bottom line seem inescapable: Tea Party activists have no idea what they're talking about. Their sincerity notwithstanding, this is a confused group of misled people.



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mattomjoe Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:18 PM
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59. Ahhhhh... the stupid.... it hurts....
"I don't know what to say. Maybe I don't want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security."

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 09:33 PM
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60. She didn't sound foolish when put on the spot. She was capable of changing her mind.
That's more than I suspect many of them will be willing to publicly admit.

Yes, she should have thought through the ramifications of her positions before she got there, but unlike most of the louts getting airtime, she was willing to consider her position and see the contradiction. Points to her.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:07 AM
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83. I bet she's still a teabagger though
She probably called a "friend" after that interview--and that friend probably convinced her that the questioner was just an evil liberal trying to confuse her.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 11:02 PM
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69. "I just want smaller government - and my fair share"
Yup. Seems to sum up teabaggers in one sentence.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:59 AM
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71. Is that why the idiot Bachmann was telling the uninformed ignorant tea baggers what high IQ's
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 02:06 AM by LaPera
they have.

These tea baggers are absolutely the dumbest most racist ignorant fucks going - unwitting stooges, shills for the republican party and the corporations.

:rofl:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:00 AM
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73. Tea baggers are getting far too much press and so is their god, Palin.
:puke:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:37 AM
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74. the government does too much to address the problems of the African-American community
That's it. They are racist assholes.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:44 AM
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77. They loved the bush
The poll also said the majority liked George W. That's where take back my country comes in. They can't stand that a Democratic black man is President. Kind of like sore losers.

So as long as a white man was screwing them over, they were perfectly happy.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:50 AM
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78. Well...
"It's inherently challenging to create a lasting, successful political movement predicated on literally nothing more than ignorance and rage."

A certain German political party didn't do so bad in 1933. It took invading armies from at least 3 major countries to put an end to it.

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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:57 AM
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79.  DePue/Bureau County Democratic Club's Numbers on the deficit, job creation, recessions, ect.
If you want to deprogram a Tea Party Person or infuriate any generic Republican have them examine their own economic record of fubar, failure and foul-up. Following is our local Democratic Party's research page on Democratic versus Republican economic accomplishments.

Here's the link:

http://bureaucountydems.blogspot.com/2010/04/click-to-e...



mike kohr

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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 05:57 PM
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87. SORRY!!! Broken link. Here's the correct link:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:46 AM
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81. The Baggers do seem to be a bit confused. That's the most
generous assessment we can offer.

"Ass-numbingly stupid" also springs to mind...

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:45 AM
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86. that's been my point from the FIRST day!
There is absolutely NO coherent and unified message other than they hate the president...You ask 100 different teabaggers what THEY think their "party" stands for, you will easily get 80 different answers...

When you come across one, always ask him/her to explain what the "movement" wants to accomplish, and how they think they can improve the country other than vague loaded buzzwords like 'state's rights', 'freedom from tyrannical socialism', 'upholding the constitution', etc... See if they can talk for 90 seconds without contradicting themselves...

I know we still have some leftover Ron Paul apologists in residence here, but a lot of this shit is his doing, since a large chunk of the TP crowd are his former campaign fanboys...
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