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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:47 PM
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Kagan, Kagan, Kagan. Enough with Kagan!
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 03:48 PM by LittleBlue
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/09/elena-kagan-emerging-as-s_n_532319.html

Who is behind this pushing of Elena Kagan every time there is a Supreme Court opening? Seriously, we heard almost exclusively about Kagan when Justice Sotomayor was nominated. NY Times, HuffPo, etc. Go to Google News: 2,000+ articles obsessing over her for some reason I'm not understanding. It's like she's hired a PR firm to blitz for her every time there's an opening.

We don't need to appoint a "more conservative leaning" candidate when there are plenty of quality progressives. Orrin Hatch loves her as a candidate, btw.

Don't do it, Mr. President! It's a trap!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:49 PM
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1. Oh, I dunno. I heard lots of griping from the left about Ginsberg when she was
nominated by Clinton. That astounded me! I knew her from her days on the Women's Rights Project for the ACLU and of course she had been a federal judge and had made mark in women's rights cases. And as I recall Orrin Hatch liked her, too...
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:54 PM
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2. She's on the books as supporting indefinite detention of terruh suspects
Greenwald points out that her appointment would shift the court substantially to the right.

I can't support this at all.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:32 PM
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7. Thanks for filling me in...nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:02 PM
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8. You weren't filled in with facts. Greenwald provided little to nothing of substance.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:27 PM
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11. on what books?
let's see it.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:20 PM
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15. A link for you
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 08:21 PM by LittleBlue
"Harvard Law Dean Elena Kagan, President Obama's choice to represent his administration before the Supreme Court, told a key Republican senator Tuesday that she believed the government could hold suspected terrorists without trial as war prisoners."

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/11/nation/na-solicitor-general11

BAM! Do not nominate her.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 12:42 AM
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18. I've also read that she isn't opposed to the unitary executive
theory. Funny how her name keeps coming up.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:01 PM
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13. I'm guessing that Hatch liked her because of her age and her health...
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 08:01 PM by cascadiance
knowing that she wouldn't stay on the court too long, unlike all the wingnut selections that are young and healthy.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:17 PM
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14. She wasn't sick when she was nominated so I don't know what you are talking about. nt.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:57 PM
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3. I just read that the Republicans would even filibuster Kagan so they will filibuster whoever he puts
up.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:04 PM
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4. Kagan
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 04:11 PM
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5. There is absolutely
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:51 PM
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12. I didn't know that she is the Solicitor General for the US.
I think whoever Obama picks will be an intelligent, well thought out pick. He has no illusions of Rethug cooperation so he will pick who he really wants.
I thought Sotomayor was a very good pick.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:22 PM
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16. Except for her little "indefinite detainee detention" policy
And the fact that the R's love her.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:51 AM
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26. the "fact" that the R's love her exists only in your head, not in reality
31 Rs voted against Kagan's confirmation as SG; only 6 voted for her.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:29 PM
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6. Karlan
Isn't there anyone under age 50 on his damned list?
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argonaut Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:08 PM
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9. Orrin Hatch's track record on judicial nominees isn't terrible, actually.
He seems to have some respect for the process.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:25 PM
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10. ERWIN CHEMERINSKY DAMNIT! AND YES I AM YELLING!
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 07:26 PM by cascadiance
We need someone to balance the extreme right wing shift, not move it further that way...

Chemerinsky, a great constitutional scholar that UC Irvine can't really appreciate now where he works, would be just the justice we need to put a stop to this corporate personhood crap!

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/nike/public_interest_briefs.html

U.S. Representatives Dennis Kucinich, Corrine Brown, Bob Filner and Bernard Sanders
Brief written by University of Southern California Law School professor Erwin Chemerinsky and Loyola Law School professor Catherine Fisk

Summary: False factual statements intended to sell products are commercial speech and not protected by the First Amendment. Nike was speaking not to influence a political debate, but to sell its products. If accepted, Nike's claims would endanger a vast array of consumer protection laws: cosmetics companies could lie about whether they do animal testing; tuna companies could lie about whether they catch tuna in a dolphin safe way; manufacturers could lie about whether their products were made by union labor or in the USA.


Glen Greenwald says NO too!

http://www.salon.com/news/the_supreme_court/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2010/04/09/stevens

And if the Republicans don't like it and threaten a fillibuster, tell them to go "f themselves" and wait to get "nuked", like The Republicans would tell us when they were in charge!
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:24 PM
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17. Chemerinsky seems like an excellent choice.
Goodwin Liu doesn't seem bad, either.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 03:04 PM
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27. Actually we need someone that will influence Kennnedy

Glen Greewald's formula is one that will give us a firebrand and 5-4 loses.

The reason that Alito, Scalia, and Thomas are such bad choices for the right is not because they are safe or not safe but that they have zero chance of moving somebody from the other side to vote with them.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 03:35 PM
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28. He'd be at the top of my list
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 04:42 AM
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19.  Betcha its gonna be Janet Napolitano.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:35 AM
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20. Probably not after the ballsbomber
:shrug:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:42 AM
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21. Remember, some here and elsewhere were calling Sotomayor a "corporatist" also.
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 09:47 AM by jefferson_dem
People are "obsessing" over Kagan because she's highly regarded by Obama and is on his "short, short list". As Solicitor General, she is the second highest ranking legal officer (behind Atty General) in the Obama administration.

What objective evidence do you have that she would be a conservative leaning justice? Note that her positions taken as Solicitor General do not *necessarily* signal how she would rule as Suprme Court Justice. Hopefully, we can all appreciate the principles behind separation of powers.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:43 AM
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22. Huffington Post doesn't have a fucking clue who the front runner is.
They had no fucking idea Sotomayer was even in the running until her nomination was announced. They're just trying to stir up shit because they think liberals won't like Kagan.



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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 09:49 AM
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23. No "analysis" is more nauseating than wild-eyed speculation about potential Supreme Court justices..
from half-baked, armchair legal pundits.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 10:24 AM
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24. Stevens was chosen by Ford. Souter was chosen by HW Bush.
Both of those guys are on the "liberal" wing of the court.

What does that tell you about trying to predict the path that a judge will take when put on the Supreme Court?
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 11:12 AM
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25. Exactly. And both were (presumably) Republicans.
Surprise! lol

Why couldn't Roberts or Alito have surprised us in the same way? ;( :cry:
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