So Obama goes from minus 700,000 a month

[impik]

to plus 162,000 a month in a year, passes health care and student loan reform, and the new CBS poll has him at 44%.

Tell me that this country is not too stupid for words.

[Name removed]

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[vaberella]

2. That's America. n/t

[whistler162]

3. must of polled DU!

[liberalmuse]

4. I wish I could...

but even some here are posting talk of primarying probably the greatest President in my lifetime because he's not perfectly following the far left liberal agenda. I'm far left, but I see how that ain't going to happen living in a country of people from so many ethnic backgrounds, religions and political ideologies.

[insanity]

8. word!

I get enraged by people who think that the President is responsible to their agenda only. The American system pretty much requires that our elections are between the lesser of two evils, and Obama is proving to me that he is far better than simply the lesser evil. Sure, I'm more left then he is and I don't dig on every choice he makes, but he is doing a fantastic job.

[liberalmuse]

11. Exactly!

I'm not happy about offshore drilling as I'm sitting her pouring creamer from a plastic container into my coffee. He's got some tough decisions to make and while some might call me out for referring to him as the 'Greatest President in my lifetime', I'm standing by it as someone who was born a few months before JKF was assasinated. Even JFK did not have the crap BO has and while history will ultimately be the judge, I have to say I've never seen a more intelligent, pragmatic, hard-working President. Johnson had the benefit of having been a long term, very popular Senator which helped get his agenda passed. Obama has a very slim Democratic majority, if you can even call it that with so many Blue Dogs in the mix.

[no limit]

28. The far left liberal agenda? Jesus fucking christ

Not wanting to drill offshore is not a far left position. Neither is a public option. Neither is being opposed to a mandate that will hurt many people.

[damonm]

38. Read. The. Post.

[no limit]

44. I did, what's your point?

[damonm]

Never mind - I should take my OWN advice...

I misread your post, and stand corrected.
:blush:

[Kltpzyxm]

64. Exactly

Amazing to hear positions that would be centrist in Europe referred to as far left.... ON DU!!!

[girl gone mad]

48. What you call far left is actually mainstream.

The majority of people in this country supported the Public Option. The majority oppose individual insurance mandates. The majority were against the no-strings Wall Street bailouts. The majority want the troops home now. Etc..

[tango-tee]

74. "Greatest President in my lifetime".

I was tempted to stop reading right then and there. But no, being a sucker for punishment I kept on going, only to see: "Not perfectly following the far left liberal agenda". And you call yourself "far left" in the following sentence? Try as I might, I can't follow your train of thought and would appreciate further explanation.

[NJmaverick]

5. Some of this is a failing of the liberal blogsphere to counter the lies streaming from the right

the public is badly misinformed on nearly every issue.

[fasttense]

65. It's because the right wing nut jobs like Murdock and Mooney own our press.

There is NO left, left in America. It's all right wing all the time because even the supposed liberals like Obama are right wing. Forty years ago President Obama would have been considered a RepubliCON. He has implemented a lot of their ideas and yet idiots Tea-baggers go around calling him a socialist.

It's because all our media is owned by right wing nut jobs. Without the owners of these corporations constantly pushing for ignorant, soul sucking, right wing corporatist policies we would have no GOP remaining. Without the corporate media we would have no Tea-baggers. Without the right wing media the Dancing Supremes would have been impeached by now. Without the right wing media the bushes would have been impeached. Without the right wing media, we would NOT have attacked Iraq.

We are a right wing conservative nation and President Obama is a right wing conservative president. And you can thank our corporate media for all of it. Because the corporations own America and own the megaphone. It's all about ownership. The uber wealthy own America and they are not going to let the unwashed masses have their fair share.

[ThomThom]

69. It is also a problem of drill baby drill, nuclear power, no single payer,

no Bush/Cheney indictments,and wars

[flyarm]

71. +10,000..no one can make that shit up! eom

[opihimoimoi]

6. The Massive GOP SPIN MACHINE the reason....They like to use REPETITION and BS

Over and over from all their fave crew and trolls out there spinning sgit.

[DCBob]

42. indeed.. one thing those f;king losers are good at is negative spin..

but eventually the truth will come out.. the reality will become obvious and their lies will be exposed. Let just hope that happend before the elections in Nov,

[opihimoimoi]

51. I am on the way to assist...Truth Trumps GOP BULL SHIT

[high density]

7. But he's a soclialist and we can't afford the HCR that is going to reduce the deficit by $1.2t

There is no logic to these assholes. They say it's no different than liberal hatred for Bush.

[HughBeaumont]

9. They loves their leaders white, corporatist and Republican.

They want a daddy to blow smoke up their ass and tell them everything's just fine the way it is; there's no NEED to change health care or take corporate power away. It's funny . . . isn't that what Republicans call "Enabling"?

[bluestateguy]

10. Enough with the doom and gloom posts and the polls

Today is a good day for good news and all bad news is to be ignored.

[JohnnyBoots]

12. Truth and public perception via the corporate media are two entirely different things. Hence,

Why he is at 44% - IF you trust that sampling.

[smoogatz]

13. How'd he lose 6 points in a week of mostly good news?

Very confusing. Apparently we like him best when he's cramming his socialist agenda down out throats, and we like him least when he goes all bi-partisan on us. That seems to be what this poll indicates.

[impik]

16. The country is stunningly stupid

[smoogatz]

18. Maybe. But it's the same country that elected him.

Maybe we don't like this offshore drilling thing. Maybe we not so stupid after all.

[impik]

19. Really??? He's at 44% because of the offshore drilling???? You say that with straight face?

[smoogatz]

22. I do.

You figure 45-48% of the country's going to disapprove of him pretty much no matter what. If you voted for McPalin, nothing Obama can do will win your approval, most likely. Piss off your lefty base, next thing you know you're under 50%. But really, given the number of people in this country that are unemployed, underemployed and underwater, it's amazing for any president to be anywhere near 50%, unless he's a raging populist like FDR--and that ain't Obama.

[HughMoran]

36. stugots

[smoogatz]

52. fungoul.

[HughMoran]

54. lol

unexpected response :P

[nicky187]

59. Don't forget ...

... "strunz."

[impik]

20. And by the way, with the state of the country and the man that was running on the other side

The fact that 47% votes for McCain, prove my point. It's a stupid country, totally deserving of George Bush.

[phleshdef]

21. These polls are too soon to reflect any of the offshore drilling reaction.

[Exilednight]

67. That depends on the methodology of said polls, if ....

the polling was front loaded with questions about offshore drilling, which they probably were, then they could have a great effect on the outcome of the poll.

[HughMoran]

35. Most ridiculous reasoning ever

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[smoogatz]

53. Yet you're unable to formulate a counter-argument

and are forced to resort to stupid little smilies in order to express yourself. How pathetic is that?

[HughMoran]

55. It's pathetic

to think that such ludicrous reasoning would be worth more than a lol!

[pundaint]

31. 1. people read the bill, 2. people were reminded of his war in Afghanistan, 3. weak-ass financial

regulation announced, 4. he gave a bunch of campaign speeches too close to what he was lying about, 5. oil leases, 6." Better off Ted" still isn't on ABC's schedule

[Ozymanithrax]

14. Of cousre, we know the polls aer 100% accurate n/t

[SwampG8r]

27. thats what hillary clinton told me

[Kdillard]

15. Pretty crazy but there you have it. Not to mention being subjected to

Some of the more vile attacks I have ever seen a President go through.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. the sheep watch too much TV

[Skittles]

23. they need to see positive results from the changes

[sandnsea]

25. losing 700,000 jobs to gaining 140,000 jobs

:shrug:

Nah, I just can't handle those kind of results another minute.

[Skittles]

26. that's not even keeping up with college grads

and counting the census, it's not hard to get the feeling the jobs market is still mired - I personally believe that if offshoring is not seriously addressed, it will be hard to see any real jobs gains

[Dawgs]

30. Census has very little to do with these job numbers.

But don't let facts get in the way of your lame argument.

[Skittles]

32. offshoring is a lame argument?

oh, and http://www.latimes.com/classified/jobs/sns-jobs-census-adding-jobs,0,3901614.story

[harkadog]

41. Census represented 42,000 of the jobs.

That is hardly "very little" of the job numbers. But don't let facts get in the way of your lame argument.

[girl gone mad]

49. 50K hires is "little to do"?

okay.

[Exilednight]

68. The Census represents more than a quarter of that job growth, and their not permanent. n/t

[flyarm]

73. on my local news last night they said 48,000 of those jobs gained were Temp census workers!

48,000 temp census workers does not make those numbers good..and our local news said 80,000 of those jobs were temp or part time jobs..so tell us..wtf is so good about the number 162,000 jobs gained..gain for what part time?? or temp jobs..that number is a totally bogus piece of crap.

We have over 8 million unemployed..that does not count the under - employed..or those off the rolls now.

Who they fuck do people here think they are kidding??

We have beaten all records in Florida ..we sit at 12.2% unemployed..so hitting some census workers for temp jobs is supposed to now thrill us???????? Get the fuck real!


Yes those temp jobs will help some that are getting desparete..but it does nothing for any long term security or to stop the flow of real unemployment.

It is going to take hundreds of thousands of jobs each and every month of real jobs..permanent jobs with real benefits to show any kind of recovery and they had better be month after month of sustained numbers of hundreds of hundreds of thousands of jobs..to see any gain..

I just wonder the people cheering this shit ..have they ever been through a recession before? have they ever been through a real recovery before..because what i am seeing applauded here..either the people applauding are propagandists or paid propagandists..or they are as stupid as mud.

This is no damn recovery ..and even Tim Geithner said two days ago on every news source said it is a jobless recovery with no prospects in sight that it will get better anytime soon.

Do any pf you read what Obama's people are saying ..or watch them in news conferences..

google is your fucking friend..go look up what Timmy had to say damn it! On Thursday..there is no job recovery..and none in sight!

Are people here too stupid to see what Obama's own people are saying????????????//

[ecstatic]

24. Two words: Fox News! They aren't even carrying his town hall

They NEVER carry his town halls or speeches.

[old mark]

29. No, there are plenty of words for how fucking stupid people here are -

It is just an outrage that these dumb asses are so easily manipulated by the cheap shit politicians and media whores, and pay no attention at all to reality.

Still complaining about higher taxes after tax cuts,too...and they think Palin is qualified to be President!


mark

[Dr Morbius]

33. Miracles! Miracles!

We voted for miracles!

Obama's supposed to be some kind of messiah!

So where are the miracles?

-------------------------------------------------------

In case it was not obvious, the above was intended as sarcasm. President Barack Obama inherited more problems and more headaches than perhaps any previous President in the modern era, and the nation is gradually getting healthier and more functional. I think he's already the best President since I was a small child, and I'm 48.

If the economy is really on the upswing, three or four consecutive months of job growth are going to make all the difference in the President's approval rating. As unemployment is still at around 9.7%, the approval ratings for everyone in government will continue to be kind of low. Misery is reflected by discontent; fact of life. Discontent reduces approval numbers.

Also, 162K jobs a month aren't enough. The President knows this, you may be sure: the way our population grows, you need to add some 160K jobs a month to keep up with unemployment. That's why unemployment hasn't dropped, despite the job gain. It's simply too little. But there is something fine about this: it's an example of a continued positive trend. Next month, that jobs number is going to be around half a million... and unemployment will still be at 9.5%!

Today's April 2nd. One month from now, it's May. July, three months away. October, a full six. I think six or seven consecutive months of job growth before November's elections will see Democrats retaining both Houses of Congress, even if they do lose some seats.

[tblue37]

34. I am confused. What do those plus and minus numbers refer to? nt

[bigwillq]

37. Jobs (nt)

[backscatter712]

39. I think CBS is full of shit.

especially since other pollsters like Gallup and Research 2000 aren't showing any significant drops.

[tcaudilllg]

72. They aren't full of shit. Michael Moore is organizing a defection.

[thelordofhell]

40. I didn't get my pony!!

I was promised a pony!!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[depakid]

43. Every time I hear that stated

it makes me realize how richly some in America deserve the long inexorable decline that they're in- and that this isn't limited to one side of the aisle.

[patrice]

47. It'll be good for some and damage others. I wish I could say the positive outcomes

are going to outweigh the negative; don't know, but I think they're going to be worth it anyway, for some.

[girl gone mad]

50. Maybe Obama can mandate pony purchases.

Problem solved, right?

[patrice]

45. No. I refuse to tell you that.

[quaker bill]

46. It is just day one

wait until day 60 or 90, and check again. One set of good job numbers was never going to do much, month after month will. Politics ain't bean bag, and there is a reason why the impact of the stimulus will just so happen to peak over the next few months...

Three of the guys I fed last night at the homeless shelter have recently gotten jobs funded with stimulus money. They were pretty sure that it is working.

[CLANG]

56. We used to just be "ugly Americans". Now we are also "dumb and ugly".

Thank you repuglicans for continuing to make us the laughing stock of the world.

[Flying Dream Blues]

57. The media isn't covering the good stuff, or skewing it to become

"bad" stuff. He really needs to circumvent the media and speak directly to the people. I think Clinton did it well, and Obama needs to do it more.

[flyarm]

77. don't tell over 8 million people things are getting good when 80 thousand full time jobs are created

in one month..that is a laughing stock joke!


80 thousand of these so called jobs..48,000 are temp census jobs and the rest part time jobs ..so where is the recovery for the rest of the 8 million + out of work??????

What a freaking fucking joke!

I guess some around here get arroused by peanuts too!

[Flying Dream Blues]

78. Not at all what I said, but I'm sure you know that..

Alerted on your rude and insulting post. Have a good day.

[Stumbler]

58. So much for that socialist/ communist/ marxist/ fascist/ anti-American-worker president

But I'm still willing to wager this: the unemployment number would be lower if we gave the "stimulus funds" to average American tax-payers, who'd spend what they received by paying down mortgage or student-loan debts, rather than million-dollar-bonus-earning banksters.

Doesn't matter. Those who hate him cause he's black will hate him no matter what he's doing. We in his liberal base will or are hating him for selling us out for the sake of "bipartisan compromise."

[Zynx]

60. The stimulus did not go to banks. That was TARP. ARRA was largely to local governments and workers.

[shotten99]

61. CBS = Outlier

Call me old fashioned, but I'd still trust Gallop more than the others.

[Tx4obama]

62. Maddow: The Bikini Job Chart / Obama vs. Bush -- video link below

The BIKINI Chart / Obama vs. Bush

http://tinyurl.com/ylo68ay

I hope Rachel puts the chart up on her OFTEN ;)

[nenagh]

Loved the Bikini Chart...

So FoxNews doesn't show Obama's speeches?? *F* that!

I swear the Repubs bring in behavioral scientists to test their bullshit propaganda for stick-ability into gullible minds...

Talk about pyramid selling... on the ground floor of the Repub 'mind' they've cemented Liberal and Dem as 'negative connotation ' words...

Add on top layers of 'bad for America" "will increase tax' etc

And finish off with huge dollops of FEAR 'Kills Seniors' or 'Screws Seniors' tho they kind of lost 'Soft on terror' when Obama committed to a stint in AfPak...

You are brave people, brave..warriers...as seen by this Canadian..where the ambient noise in the media is NOTHING at all like the headwinds you face every day from your so slanted MSM.

[nenagh]

63. Loved the Bikini Chart...

So FoxNews doesn't show Obama's speeches?? *F* that!

I swear the Repubs bring in behavioral scientists to test their bullshit propaganda for stick-ability into gullible minds...

Talk about pyramid selling... on the ground floor of the Repub 'mind' they've cemented Liberal and Dem as 'negative connotation ' words...

Add on top layers of 'bad for America" "will increase tax' etc

And finish off with huge dollops of FEAR 'Kills Seniors' or 'Screws Seniors' tho they kind of lost 'Soft on terror' when Obama committed to a stint in AfPak...

You are brave people, brave..warriers...as seen by this Canadian..where the ambient noise in the media is NOTHING at all like the headwinds you face every day from your so slanted MSM.

[old mark]

66. And MSNBC says on Saturday morning that it is certain the Democrats

will lose seats in congress in November - I would sincerely LOVE to prove them wrong on that -
As November approaches, I will be making a pain in the ass of myself urging Democrats to vote for Democrats just to get a few more republicans out of office - any and every possible office. Fuck all those right wing people - this is OUR country, not theirs.

mark

[RBInMaine]

70. CBS is right wing corporate shit. Daily Kos has him at 55%. Gallup at 50%. And,

these polls don't mean jack shit right now. After 6 straight months of job gains, and after some of the new healthcare bill bennies kick in, and after more stimulus rolls out and has an effect, and after the latest jobs bill has an effect, and after the new nuclear arms treaty is signed, and if finacial reform and an energy bill can be smashed past the RePUKE obstructionists, then we'll see just where the polls are. More than anything, it is the ECONOMY. If it continues to improve, come November we'll be fine. May still lose some seats, but we won't lose control of congress. And Obama's number will be just fine.

[laughingliberal]

75. At this point, I really think it's about whether people are feeling improvement in their own lives

Aside from the racist, batshit crazies out there who are never going to be happy as long as this President remains in office, most people are pretty much down to whether the crisis has eased up for them. Good job numbers are wonderful but if you're sitting in state, like I am, that's still at 13.2% unemployment (which is just about where it has been) those numbers don't mean much to you. If you're working 2 part time jobs which aren't providing what 1 did in the past for your family, there's not a lot to cheer about. If you're hanging on the edge of losing your house, you probably don't feel a lot is getting better. I hope the job numbers turn out to be a sign of some permanent improvement but a lot of us are still experiencing some significant misery out here and that's just how it is. And, with oil hitting $85 per barrel it's threatening to strangle the fragile recovery in its crib. People who are barely making it really do feel it when gas at the pump is approaching the $3 mark as it is here. There are a lot of reasons for people to be scared and unhappy right now and some numbers on the television screen don't mean much to them. Hence, their failure to join in the celebration.

[scentopine]

76. I moved my reply to a different thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=258651&mesg_id=259185

[Igel]

79. Indeed.

Recessions end. They've always done so. Perhaps at one point one won't. That's unlikely.

In fact, a fair number of stimulus packages have been passed by Congress after the recessions they were to combat had ended. After all, unemployment rate =/= recession. Clinton's, for example--the recession he "cured" ended before he was elected. Reagan had a penchant for stimuli-after-the-fact.

The first stimulus for the recession that's probably just ended didn't do enough ); or it wasn't enough for the later problems that nobody predicted. Whichever. That the economy was flat for 6 months afterward that stimulus passed instead of declining makes it likely that it had *some* positive effect. Did the second stimulus help end the recession earlier? Probably. Possibly not. Did it keep it from getting worse? Likely so. Perhaps not. Would it have ended without the stimulus? Sure. Eventually. Probably not too much later than it did. But possibly so. Or even, possibly, earlier given other events (or lack of events).

Assuming that a man turned around the economy, whether Reagan, Clinton, Bush II, or Obama--that a few hundred billion dollars in mostly support to government workers can resurrect a multi-trillion dollar economy--is, well, beyond words. We really don't need that kind of hero worship, whether on the right or the left.